WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:12.000 That's fine. All right, being 531, we'll call to order the Finance Committee of the Whole meeting. 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:21.679 Mayor Miller? Here. Alderpersons, Klemm? Here. Johnson? Here. Simmons is absent. Parker? Here. 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:30.879 here, Stacy, I thought I saw her, yep, Shadle, Sanders, and Sellers is absent, but we have 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:32.479 a quorum, Chair. 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:34.200 Very good. 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:36.479 If you could join me in the Pledge of Allegiance, please. 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:45.340 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for 00:00:45.340 --> 00:00:53.579 which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:53.579 --> 00:01:03.189 Thank you and we're looking for item four approval of the agenda. 00:01:03.189 --> 00:01:11.709 So moved. Second. Motion by Parker, second by Klemm. If we can have all in favor. 00:01:11.709 --> 00:01:23.609 Aye. And opposed. That motion carries. And item five, there's a misprint on the 00:01:23.609 --> 00:01:31.609 The agenda, the September 9th date should be September 8th, and I understand the error 00:01:31.609 --> 00:01:35.569 was on the minutes themselves also, so that would need to be corrected. 00:01:35.569 --> 00:01:39.530 Oh yeah, it was a different error, but they both need to be corrected. 00:01:39.530 --> 00:01:46.209 With those corrections in mind, we have a motion for approval of the minutes. 00:01:46.209 --> 00:01:47.209 So moved. 00:01:47.209 --> 00:01:48.209 Second. 00:01:48.209 --> 00:01:49.930 Motion by Parker, second by Johnson. 00:01:49.930 --> 00:01:52.090 If we have all in favor. 00:01:52.090 --> 00:01:53.090 Aye. 00:01:53.090 --> 00:02:07.090 opposed? That motion carries. Do we have any public comments? There were none signed in a minute ago. Okay. You don't have any? No. Okay. 00:02:07.090 --> 00:02:15.090 And then we move on to discussion of the following budgets. City Manager Boyer and Director Reeder, General Fund Police, 00:02:15.090 --> 00:02:22.370 Capital Equipment Fund, Police, Drug Forfeiture, General Fund, Fire Public Safety, Fire Improvement, 00:02:22.370 --> 00:02:30.050 Foreign Fire, TIF Budgets, Projects, Fund Budget, and Downtown Loan. Manager Boyer. 00:02:31.169 --> 00:02:37.330 Thank you Alderman Shadle. So tonight we're going to start out with the Police General Fund Budget. 00:02:37.330 --> 00:02:53.169 Just a few items to note. 101-151-5000 on bargaining wages. There is an increase of 00:02:53.169 --> 00:03:07.750 $70,300 over the 2025 budget. 101-151-5010 ASME wages. There appears there to be a 00:03:07.750 --> 00:03:23.750 We've had a decrease in the 25 budget and we have rechecked our numbers and had employees with higher longevity move out of the PD to another department and new employees begin at a lower rate so that accounts for the reduction there. 00:03:23.750 --> 00:03:36.750 101-151-5015 police wages. There's an increase of 261,155 over the 2025 budget agreement. 00:03:36.750 --> 00:03:44.750 There's no additional staff here, so this essentially is related to the negotiations, the outcome of the police negotiations. 00:03:44.750 --> 00:04:05.750 Then we have 101-151-5220 health insurance. There's an increase of 166,915. We are working to contain this as best we can, but this is related to the health insurance expectation here for the 26 fiscal year. 00:04:05.750 --> 00:04:16.149 Fiskel, 101-151-5255, police pension contribution, the annual commitment to the police pension, 00:04:16.149 --> 00:04:22.750 the amount is determined by our actuary, and this is in addition to our annual bond payments. 00:04:22.750 --> 00:04:32.920 However, there is funds set aside for the police and fire pensions. 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:34.920 and 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:37.920 John. 00:04:39.339 --> 00:04:41.339 We now have two canine officers, so there are some additional 00:04:42.540 --> 00:04:44.540 expenses there. 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:49.040 101, 151, 60, 150 consulting services. 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:53.160 So we had an increase of 15,000 from 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:56.279 2025, our OVW grant, 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:00.279 violence against women grant for the PD will need to be reapplied 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.279 for in 26. 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:09.360 Salton to complete the forms. So the OVW grant is a three-year cycle so it's 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:16.160 coming up this year. 101-151-6155 contracted building repair and 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:22.079 maintenance. There's an increase of $15,000 for remodel of the dispatcher 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:29.699 kitchen included in the budget this year. 101-151-7010 machinery and 00:05:29.699 --> 00:05:31.540 for equipment over 1,000. 00:05:31.540 --> 00:05:35.259 We're budgeting 5,000 for additional surveillance cameras, 00:05:35.259 --> 00:05:40.259 5,000 for a new water fountain, 10,000 for an equipment shed, 00:05:40.379 --> 00:05:43.579 10,000 for awning replacement, 00:05:43.579 --> 00:05:47.639 12,000 for two speed signs, 00:05:48.579 --> 00:05:53.579 and 14,500 for 10 additional body cameras. 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:58.899 So the Police Capital Equipment Fund, 00:05:58.899 --> 00:06:02.540 Movin' to the next one here. 00:06:02.540 --> 00:06:04.420 So as you see on the slide, 00:06:04.420 --> 00:06:07.620 the items we purchased include radios for the squads, 00:06:07.620 --> 00:06:11.620 portable radios, four squads with radio and DVRs, 00:06:11.620 --> 00:06:15.740 and one golf cart, being that we use that for events, 00:06:15.740 --> 00:06:17.680 and the one we have is broken. 00:06:21.699 --> 00:06:23.100 Any questions on that? 00:06:25.939 --> 00:06:27.139 Can I go back to? 00:06:27.139 --> 00:06:28.220 Sure, I'm sorry. 00:06:28.220 --> 00:06:29.060 Should I give you a chance? 00:06:29.060 --> 00:06:30.420 Departmental gear. 00:06:30.420 --> 00:06:31.259 Yep. 00:06:31.259 --> 00:06:39.139 I believe it's the last one on the second page. 00:06:39.139 --> 00:06:48.660 We were at 24 budget, 20,000, and we used 18-6 out of that. 00:06:48.660 --> 00:06:55.939 This year we budgeted 8, and we're to date at 18-6, and then we budgeted next year again 00:06:55.939 --> 00:06:58.899 8. 00:06:58.899 --> 00:07:01.100 Chief, is that a reimbursement? 00:07:01.100 --> 00:07:06.579 No, I think the reason for that is because this year we did hire quite a few 00:07:06.579 --> 00:07:11.300 people. We don't anticipate having to do that as much next year, so that's why we 00:07:11.300 --> 00:07:24.810 kind of kept it the same. Correct. Thank you. Yes. Question Chief, on the cameras and that kind of 00:07:24.810 --> 00:07:29.730 stuff, does that have anything at all to do with what we're talking about tonight 00:07:29.730 --> 00:07:59.730 We did add 10 body worn cameras. I mean, like I said before last week, my feeling is that the appropriations, everything's going to be fine. However, if not, we, I asked our talk to the finance director and said we still need body cams, minimum of 10. So if that falls through, at least we can get those 10. However, if we get the appropriations, we won't use the 10 in the budget. We're just budgeting. 00:07:59.730 --> 00:08:10.220 to be on the safe side for that. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay. And we just discussed 00:08:10.220 --> 00:08:17.589 the capital equipment fund. Any questions on that? Just to itemize those things mentioned 00:08:17.589 --> 00:08:25.110 there. Okay. The next one is drug forfeiture fund. So this fund is controlled by the PD 00:08:25.110 --> 00:08:31.790 as there's a specific use of drug forfeiture funds. The budget is the same amount as last 00:08:31.790 --> 00:08:43.610 So no changes there. Now we'll move into the fire general fund budget. So we'll 00:08:43.610 --> 00:08:52.669 start with 101, 152-5000 and 50-20 non-bargaining and fire wages. Both line 00:08:52.669 --> 00:08:57.610 items increased by cost of living and in the case of the fire bargaining, they've 00:08:57.610 --> 00:09:04.850 included longevity and educational increases. Then on 101, 152-5140 overtime 00:09:04.850 --> 00:09:15.529 for Fire is projecting a decrease to overtime expenses. 101-152-5220 health insurance. 00:09:15.529 --> 00:09:22.990 $150,000 increase is anticipated. Again, we're working on the overall package for the city, 00:09:22.990 --> 00:09:31.730 so we'll do our best to keep that to a minimum. 101-152-5260 fire pension contribution, same 00:09:31.730 --> 00:09:36.929 as the police contribution works. This is our annual contribution. In addition, 00:09:36.929 --> 00:09:40.049 we pay the annual bond payments for the pension obligation bonds. 00:09:41.169 --> 00:09:48.370 And the remainder of the budget is very similar to 2025. So keeping keeping things pretty level. 00:09:50.129 --> 00:09:59.879 Any questions on the fire general fund budget? Okay, we'll move on to 00:09:59.879 --> 00:10:01.830 We'll move on to the Fire Public Safety Fund. 00:10:01.830 --> 00:10:04.549 This budget receives donations to alleviate the cost 00:10:04.549 --> 00:10:06.190 of public education materials used 00:10:06.190 --> 00:10:10.389 during Fire Prevention Month in the public schools. 00:10:10.389 --> 00:10:15.220 So no significant changes there. 00:10:15.220 --> 00:10:20.190 Any questions on that? 00:10:20.190 --> 00:10:22.539 Okay. 00:10:22.539 --> 00:10:25.379 Then we have the, oops, sorry about that, Curt. 00:10:25.379 --> 00:10:28.500 The Fire Public Safety Fund, I'm sorry, 00:10:28.500 --> 00:10:30.500 the Fire Improvement Fund. 00:10:30.500 --> 00:10:33.620 The city uses these funds to account for ambulance revenues 00:10:33.620 --> 00:10:35.340 and capital purchases. 00:10:35.340 --> 00:10:37.419 Per ordinance, a yearly transfer is 00:10:37.419 --> 00:10:42.399 made to the general fund of 54% of the revenues, 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:46.220 not including collection or administrative fees. 00:10:46.220 --> 00:10:50.580 So the revenues include ambulance service. 00:10:50.580 --> 00:10:53.539 Projections are in line with the prior years. 00:10:53.539 --> 00:10:59.620 Accident, fire and extraction, lift assistance fee, ALS 00:10:59.620 --> 00:11:00.620 Huffines. 00:11:00.620 --> 00:11:13.259 So those are your revenue side, and then expenses, the next two slides contain the detailed information 00:11:13.259 --> 00:11:17.299 on the funding expenses. 00:11:17.299 --> 00:11:18.299 So yes. 00:11:18.299 --> 00:11:25.779 That 54% that goes to the city, where is it being put? 00:11:25.779 --> 00:11:27.620 It goes back into the general fund. 00:11:27.620 --> 00:12:14.539 Anyway, on the capital budget, we've got, what you're looking at there is all the different revenue items that we receive annually, so that's staying in line with 2025, and then in terms of expenditures, this represents the expenditures, a couple items. Chief, did you want to itemize or call out any of the notables here? 00:12:14.539 --> 00:12:19.539 Sure. So if you look at second row from the top, 00:12:20.180 --> 00:12:22.340 central station window replacement, 00:12:22.340 --> 00:12:25.580 we're projecting about 400,000 Fehr Graham, 00:12:25.580 --> 00:12:29.220 put together some vendors to come out and take a look at it. 00:12:29.220 --> 00:12:34.019 And that's about where we projected that to be. 00:12:34.019 --> 00:12:38.519 But that was earlier in the year. 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:40.860 So we would not be surprised 00:12:40.860 --> 00:12:43.700 if there was some fluctuation to that. 00:12:43.700 --> 00:12:45.860 So an example, about eight years ago 00:12:45.860 --> 00:12:47.059 when I was here previously, 00:12:47.059 --> 00:12:50.500 we identified that that was a need back then. 00:12:50.500 --> 00:12:55.080 And those costs came in at about 141,000. 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:57.659 So putting it off and putting it off 00:12:57.659 --> 00:13:01.379 and delaying it eight years, we're now at 400,000. 00:13:01.379 --> 00:13:06.379 So we can expect that trend to continue 00:13:06.460 --> 00:13:08.700 if we keep putting things off. 00:13:08.700 --> 00:13:13.659 So that building, those windows we feel are from the 1970s, 00:13:13.659 --> 00:13:43.659 the building itself is about 84 years old we have a variety of windows that need to be replaced by in the weight room there's a broken one it's been broken for a long time and it leaks rain if you get a north rain from the north into the building it leaks on the floor we've even opened the walls to see where this is coming from we're not able to identify exactly where it's coming from upstairs this past year one of our firefighters almost lost the tip of 00:13:43.659 --> 00:13:44.659 Huffines. 00:13:44.659 --> 00:13:49.539 The window came down like a guillotine and sheared off the tip of his finger. 00:13:49.539 --> 00:13:55.509 He was off for a short period of time on workers' comp. 00:13:55.509 --> 00:13:58.889 And then we have other windows that are intended to be opened for ventilation. 00:13:58.889 --> 00:13:59.889 They won't open. 00:13:59.889 --> 00:14:01.350 They're stuck closed. 00:14:01.350 --> 00:14:06.909 So it's something that should be done or at least considered even if it goes out to 00:14:06.909 --> 00:14:09.909 bid over a period of two years. 00:14:09.909 --> 00:14:15.490 In that bid spec, we should indicate that the same windows should be used over the course 00:14:15.490 --> 00:14:21.670 of that two-year period, the same contractor, the same vendors should be, all the people 00:14:21.670 --> 00:14:25.269 should be the same from year one to year two. 00:14:25.269 --> 00:14:27.670 Thank you, Chief. 00:14:27.670 --> 00:14:33.829 And then one other thing, if I may, if we look at 7010 firefighter turnout gear, we've 00:14:33.829 --> 00:14:41.110 We've been carrying $100,000 in that specific line item for two years waiting for PFAS-free 00:14:41.110 --> 00:14:42.870 firefighter gear. 00:14:42.870 --> 00:14:45.069 Right now it does not exist. 00:14:45.069 --> 00:14:51.710 So we're not going to expend those monies until the industry comes up with a safe turnout 00:14:51.710 --> 00:14:53.670 gear. 00:14:53.670 --> 00:14:58.110 We anticipate, we hope that'll be available sometime in 2026. 00:14:58.110 --> 00:15:03.850 So we know, if a vendor, there's a handful of turnout gear vendors, none of them can 00:15:03.850 --> 00:15:09.629 produce this garment. But we recognize that the first vendor that does is going to take 00:15:09.629 --> 00:15:14.509 advantage of that technology breakthrough and the prices are going to go way up. 00:15:14.509 --> 00:15:22.850 So we've proposed to increase that by another $50,000 and have that available if that turnout 00:15:22.850 --> 00:15:26.049 Geer becomes available. 00:15:26.049 --> 00:15:27.970 By NFPA standard, turnout gear needs 00:15:27.970 --> 00:15:29.970 to be replaced every 10 years. 00:15:29.970 --> 00:15:33.569 And I think right now, we're somewhere between six and seven 00:15:33.569 --> 00:15:35.490 years in our current gear. 00:15:35.490 --> 00:15:38.610 So by the time gear is developed, 00:15:38.610 --> 00:15:44.089 we start replacing our existing stuff with PFAS-free things. 00:15:44.089 --> 00:15:45.889 Then we'll be on track, and we'll 00:15:45.889 --> 00:15:50.129 have some money for a good start at that desire 00:15:50.129 --> 00:16:05.129 I have one question, Chief. Where is this central station located? 00:16:05.129 --> 00:16:10.129 It's across from Slumberland at Walnut and South. 00:16:10.129 --> 00:16:11.129 Oh, that one. 00:16:11.129 --> 00:16:12.129 That one, yes. 00:16:12.129 --> 00:16:18.129 Okay. Is that an estimated cost for budgeting for next year? 00:16:18.129 --> 00:16:22.629 I'll defer to Darren. Is that about what it came in when we did that early in the season? 00:16:22.629 --> 00:16:28.529 Yeah, we actually had a reputable window company come out and we went around the building with them. 00:16:28.529 --> 00:16:32.329 So there might be a little cushion there, but it's pretty close. 00:16:32.329 --> 00:16:36.329 And everything that Chief stated about the current windows is absolutely correct. 00:16:36.329 --> 00:16:45.029 They're very old single pane leak and it's also costing them heating and air conditioning money as well. 00:16:45.029 --> 00:16:53.990 so that would be at the same location where this is uh estimated and things like that all this this was 00:16:53.990 --> 00:16:59.190 exactly for that location we actually physically brought people to central station to look at all 00:16:59.190 --> 00:17:03.110 the windows there's quite a few i don't remember the amount but there is a lot of windows on that 00:17:03.110 --> 00:17:10.309 station and we even proposed a few of them that are extraordinarily large cutting them back and 00:17:10.309 --> 00:17:12.950 and putting in, they call them fill spacers, 00:17:12.950 --> 00:17:14.430 putting in a couple of fill spacers 00:17:14.430 --> 00:17:15.430 in some of the big windows 00:17:15.430 --> 00:17:16.950 to try to keep some of the costs down. 00:17:16.950 --> 00:17:19.910 But you have to remember, 00:17:19.910 --> 00:17:22.349 when you're dealing with any of these stations 00:17:22.349 --> 00:17:26.549 and this has been something that, you know, 00:17:26.549 --> 00:17:29.349 we've been having to deal with a lot more. 00:17:29.349 --> 00:17:31.150 Anytime the city's involved, there's prevailing 00:17:31.150 --> 00:17:34.349 wage standards and this would qualify as prevailing wage, 00:17:34.349 --> 00:17:36.369 which drives the cost up significantly. 00:17:36.369 --> 00:17:51.079 okay thanks okay all right with that I'd like to go on to the foreign foreign fire 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:56.660 fund so the foreign fire fund has its own board that determines how the funds 00:17:56.660 --> 00:18:02.019 are spent the fund itself is treated as a fiduciary fund on the city's books we 00:18:02.019 --> 00:18:05.720 track the inflow and outflow of dollars but the board makes the decisions on the 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:06.720 Huffines. 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:12.440 So, what are foreign fire funds and where do we, where do they come from? 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:16.839 By state statute, all insurance companies not incorporated under the laws of the state 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:22.039 of Illinois provide fire insurance for property situated within an Illinois municipality that 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:28.079 maintains a fire department must remit 2% of the fire portion of the insurance policy 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:29.360 premium. 00:18:29.360 --> 00:18:34.599 The fee must be used for the maintenance and use and benefit of the fire department. 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:40.119 Essentially what you have here is a very similar budget. It ebbs and flows but 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:46.559 we've budgeted about $21,000, I'm sorry about $83,000 for 2026. 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:57.340 Any questions on the foreign fire fund? Yeah, how is that generated? How do we 00:18:57.340 --> 00:19:02.220 generate that fund? By Illinois State statute the insurance companies 00:19:02.220 --> 00:19:03.220 and 00:19:03.220 --> 00:19:04.220 I'm going to be the chief of insurance. 00:19:04.220 --> 00:19:11.929 We have two percent of the accounts that we provide to this account each year. 00:19:11.929 --> 00:19:12.929 Is that it? 00:19:12.929 --> 00:19:13.929 Yes. 00:19:13.929 --> 00:19:14.929 It comes from insurance companies. 00:19:14.929 --> 00:19:15.929 Okay. 00:19:15.929 --> 00:19:23.070 I like to look into that a little bit more so I can see how that is done. 00:19:23.070 --> 00:19:29.490 I'm sure chief can help you out with that anytime. 00:19:29.490 --> 00:19:36.990 So to answer your question, how that is generated is let's say we have several buildings that 00:19:36.990 --> 00:19:44.009 have insurance, meaning homeowners insurance, business insurance or whatever, and they elect 00:19:44.009 --> 00:19:50.190 to insure through companies that are not local, they're not residing in Illinois. 00:19:50.190 --> 00:19:57.269 So if they choose to go to Wisconsin or Iowa or California or wherever, those companies 00:19:57.269 --> 00:19:57.909 by Estes. 00:19:57.909 --> 00:20:01.359 Those companies by a state statute have to give the fire departments and that's just not Freeport 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:07.240 That's all Illinois fire departments two percent of their their proceeds and like the manager 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:14.039 Indicated this the statute states very specifically decided for the use and benefit of the fire department 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:18.359 And and how that is managed by the board that the members elect and put in there 00:20:20.740 --> 00:20:25.059 And then that's used to supplement budget items for tools and equipment things like that 00:20:25.059 --> 00:20:35.519 So it's a great benefit to the city to reduce some of those operating costs Getting into the TIFs, downtown TIFs 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:41.079 So these expenses include bank fees for downtown loan bond of $700 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:44.359 professional services that include attorney fees 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:49.380 Greater Freeport Partnership, Illinois Tax Increment Association dues 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:53.059 site improvement and that goes to façades 00:20:53.059 --> 00:20:58.420 We have proposed increases in the amount available to $100,000, so we're looking at an increase 00:20:58.420 --> 00:21:01.500 to the Facade Improvement Grant. 00:21:01.500 --> 00:21:06.759 Current redevelopment agreements, so currently we have Hampton Inn, Merritt Crane, and additional 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:10.380 funds for new redevelopment agreements there. 00:21:10.380 --> 00:21:15.900 And then transfer to debt service from principal and interest, so that's the 2015A bond and 00:21:15.900 --> 00:21:17.940 the 2018 bond. 00:21:17.940 --> 00:21:22.420 I believe those were those demos. 00:21:22.420 --> 00:21:29.940 One of them is for the demolition of the bookstore that was downtown on Stevenson and the other 00:21:29.940 --> 00:21:34.299 one is a portion that was split between different funds. 00:21:34.299 --> 00:21:38.339 So there's two different bonds there, one is demolition and one was for a variety of 00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:41.339 different services. 00:21:41.339 --> 00:21:42.339 Thank you Wayne. 00:21:42.339 --> 00:21:43.339 Yes. 00:21:43.339 --> 00:21:48.759 What is the site improvement? 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:52.160 Is that for, what is it, what's the number there on site improvement, my eyes don't get 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:53.160 me that far. 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:55.440 650. 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:56.920 So that would be, well, Wayne, you 00:21:56.920 --> 00:21:57.839 can go ahead and answer that if you want. 00:21:57.839 --> 00:21:58.519 Yeah, sure. 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:00.680 So under site improvement here, we 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:03.400 have your current redevelopment agreements 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:07.440 that we've just spoken to. 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.039 You also have your facade grant improvement program. 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:11.799 That's $100,000. 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:17.039 And then another thing to also look at in site improvement, 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:21.000 this is the downtown TIF fund. 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:25.880 We're budgeting for any other potential site improvement. 00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:29.960 So that could be if it comes back to a project where 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:32.000 potentially we're talking about budgeting. 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:35.880 So if we have money budgeted for site improvement, 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:37.960 somebody may come down the line and say, look, 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.279 we have a public parking lot. 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.200 We have a project proposed that would 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:45.799 be for the public good within the TIF district. 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:49.480 And it could be used overall to improve our downtown 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:50.680 infrastructure. 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:52.819 that could be brought to the city council 00:22:52.819 --> 00:22:56.480 as a potential site improvement project. 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:01.319 So oftentimes what ends up happening is council will ask, 00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:03.880 hey, was this budgeted for? 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:05.440 Staff will come up with a project 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:07.200 and this would be a situation where we would say, 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:09.639 yes, we budgeted for site improvement 00:23:09.639 --> 00:23:11.279 under this TIF district. 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:14.039 This project came up, it fits within our budgeting 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:16.680 and that's what we'd like to use it for. 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:21.240 What current redevelopment agreements do we have? 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:28.000 In this downtown TIF district, you have the Hampton, the hotel. 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:29.880 Then you also have the Merritt Crane, 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:31.920 which came to council this year. 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:35.759 They're building another storage facility. 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:37.639 And then the other one I have on here. 00:23:37.639 --> 00:23:38.639 The Crane? 00:23:38.639 --> 00:23:41.619 Yes, that was, I believe, three months ago, four months ago. 00:23:41.619 --> 00:23:43.240 Do you remember all the person's Shadle? 00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:44.480 Because I remember you had some knowledge. 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:46.000 I'm saying two or three months ago. 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:52.960 2 or 3 months ago they came in and they're a crane rental business they they came in 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:58.400 and they're going to build a storage facility for some of their equipment so that's what 00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:12.579 I have for the downtown redevelopment agreements currently yep that is correct yeah okay with 00:24:12.579 --> 00:24:18.819 that I'd like to move on to the Lamb Road TIF so we have some expenses that are related 00:24:18.819 --> 00:24:24.900 to attorney fees. Again, GFP gets their revenue or a good portion of their revenue through 00:24:24.900 --> 00:24:32.619 the TIFFs and Illinois Tax Increment Association dues. Site improvements include, we have a 00:24:32.619 --> 00:24:41.900 redevelopment agreement with TriStar and a remainder for miscellaneous repairs and demos. 00:24:41.900 --> 00:24:47.019 The remainder of the site improvements would include miscellaneous repairs and demos, but 00:24:47.019 --> 00:24:54.619 we are working on the lift station as a major improvement. So tax distribution funds go back 00:24:54.619 --> 00:24:59.579 to the other taxing bodies. So there is some amount of the generated increment that goes back 00:24:59.579 --> 00:25:06.059 to the taxing bodies as the original agreement specified. And then again, as I mentioned, the 00:25:06.059 --> 00:25:12.059 transfer to sewer to fund the Walnut Lift Station. So we're projecting the current project to use 00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:17.099 about half of the approved funds in 2025 and the other half in 2026. 00:25:17.099 --> 00:25:23.500 What miscellaneous do we have out there? You said tri-star and miscellaneous. What's miscellaneous? 00:25:23.500 --> 00:25:27.180 I have to defer to the finance director on that one. Is there anything? 00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:31.759 He's deferring to the finance director. 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:38.400 I'm sorry, Rob. Sometimes it's like, it's muffled when, I mean, I don't know if you're 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:43.039 too close to the mic or not close enough. I just, I could not understand what you were 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:51.759 So the miscellaneous part, so even though we have one line for site 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:57.660 improvement there, we have a list, you know, it could be all the 00:25:57.660 --> 00:26:03.160 redevelopment agreements and that kind of thing. So we have the a hundred thousand 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:07.500 could be miscellaneous repairs or demos or it could be new RDAs, just how Wayne 00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:14.259 was speaking about so if someone comes to us with a project that we would have 00:26:14.259 --> 00:26:15.259 Huffines. 00:26:15.259 --> 00:26:16.259 We have a lot of funds there available. 00:26:16.259 --> 00:26:19.259 If I wanted a copy of that list, is that possible? 00:26:19.259 --> 00:26:20.259 Yeah. 00:26:20.259 --> 00:26:21.259 Okay. 00:26:21.259 --> 00:26:32.259 Another thing, while we're at that, considering what miscellaneous is, that's a broad brush 00:26:32.259 --> 00:26:38.619 when you throw that in there without a description, a definitive description and a breakdown of 00:26:38.619 --> 00:26:41.940 what miscellaneous is. 00:26:41.940 --> 00:26:43.259 And what is it for? 00:26:43.259 --> 00:26:44.259 Fowler. 00:26:44.259 --> 00:26:45.460 What is it projected for? 00:26:45.460 --> 00:26:52.660 And so if we're not understanding why we're paying out on a miscellaneous and have no description 00:26:52.660 --> 00:26:57.680 to it, why are we investing into something that we don't have a clue about? 00:26:57.680 --> 00:26:58.680 Because of miscellaneous- 00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:00.139 Is that what you just answered? 00:27:00.139 --> 00:27:01.139 No. 00:27:01.139 --> 00:27:02.139 No. 00:27:02.139 --> 00:27:03.139 She didn't just answer that. 00:27:03.139 --> 00:27:05.779 She just answered what the miscellaneous funds were being spent on. 00:27:05.779 --> 00:27:08.099 I'm asking something different. 00:27:08.099 --> 00:27:09.779 It sure didn't sound like it. 00:27:09.779 --> 00:27:13.380 Well, then you should open your ears, clean them out, wash them out, or do something because 00:27:13.380 --> 00:27:22.420 what I'm trying to get to, I'm listening for the description of what miscellaneous estimation 00:27:22.420 --> 00:27:24.599 cost is going to be. 00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.059 What are we having a miscellaneous on? 00:27:27.059 --> 00:27:29.299 If I could just interrupt, if it's the council. 00:27:29.299 --> 00:27:30.940 No, you can't interrupt, Rob. 00:27:30.940 --> 00:27:32.099 I'm talking. 00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:33.099 I'm talking to... 00:27:33.099 --> 00:27:34.099 He's trying to answer the question. 00:27:34.099 --> 00:27:35.099 No, no. 00:27:35.099 --> 00:27:36.099 I'm talking to... 00:27:36.099 --> 00:27:38.139 You need to be quiet. 00:27:38.139 --> 00:27:39.139 That's what you need to do. 00:27:39.139 --> 00:27:46.139 I don't care who you think you are. I don't care who you think you are. I don't care who you think you may be. Could we have order, please? 00:27:46.139 --> 00:27:49.139 Yeah, when you shut your mouth, you should shut your mouth first. 00:27:49.139 --> 00:27:52.139 Can I ask that the individual be reprimanded here? 00:27:52.139 --> 00:27:57.139 No. No, you can't do nothing. You can't recommend anything. 00:27:57.139 --> 00:28:00.139 He is the chair of this committee, so he runs this meeting. 00:28:00.139 --> 00:28:08.139 Well, my point is he can't just conduct this meeting as he so pleases. 00:28:08.139 --> 00:28:12.740 you know I have a voice I'm on the floor and he's trying to get you your answer 00:28:12.740 --> 00:28:20.139 look no I didn't ask him okay you need to stay out of this particular argument as 00:28:20.139 --> 00:28:25.740 well okay this is inappropriate and you need to stop well my point is my point 00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:32.340 is this the charade of not getting my question answered I want to know a 00:28:32.340 --> 00:28:37.380 definitive answer of character of the miscellaneous material stuff that is 00:28:37.380 --> 00:28:39.380 and 00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:42.380 Mr. 00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:45.480 Wayne. 00:28:46.700 --> 00:28:49.420 I need to understand what miscellaneous is and I want it to 00:28:49.420 --> 00:28:51.420 be broken down is what I'm getting at. 00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:54.659 That's your question. Michelle, can you repeat your answer for 00:28:54.659 --> 00:28:56.659 him? 00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:00.759 I'll do my best here. Can I start by saying this? 00:29:03.179 --> 00:29:05.179 You guys are a joke. Come on. 00:29:05.179 --> 00:29:08.179 We're going to discuss having him removed. 00:29:08.179 --> 00:29:15.179 This is disorderly, so please allow the discussion to happen for a Director Duckman to answer your question. 00:29:15.179 --> 00:29:19.179 Without feedback, away from the microphone. 00:29:19.179 --> 00:29:23.179 Sure. Alright, so we're talking about budgeting. 00:29:23.179 --> 00:29:29.179 And in budgeting, we have to have items to represent where money could be spent. 00:29:29.179 --> 00:29:40.019 So, when we come, what ends up happening is, which is a good thing for the city, there would be a developer that would come and they would be within the Land, Road, TIF district. 00:29:40.019 --> 00:29:47.519 They want to build a Culver's or a McDonald's. Let's just go with a McDonald's by Menards, right? 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:53.019 And they are going to come to me and then they would say, well, we want to do a redevelopment agreement. 00:29:53.019 --> 00:29:56.019 Part of that, we would have to demolish. 00:29:56.019 --> 00:30:00.349 We would have to demolish an existing building here that's older. I'm just, you know, there's a little mini mall out there 00:30:00.349 --> 00:30:05.109 They want to demolish that mini mall and they would say well, is that TIF eligible? 00:30:05.150 --> 00:30:10.130 Do you have money, you know, for for this redevelopment agreement? And then I would say 00:30:10.769 --> 00:30:15.349 You know, I would go over with attorney Zito just because it's it's proper protocol 00:30:15.349 --> 00:30:19.329 There's there's laws that you want to go over a redevelopment agreement to make sure that when I come to 00:30:19.329 --> 00:30:22.289 to yourself and the rest of the council members. 00:30:22.289 --> 00:30:23.890 I want to speak intelligently. 00:30:23.890 --> 00:30:24.930 I want to be professional. 00:30:24.930 --> 00:30:28.329 And I want to say, I've reviewed this redevelopment agreement. 00:30:28.329 --> 00:30:30.970 I know that it's within the laws. 00:30:30.970 --> 00:30:33.769 And then when I ask, I would say, 00:30:33.769 --> 00:30:37.849 I would like to do $100,000 to demolish the existing building, 00:30:37.849 --> 00:30:39.369 would be city funds. 00:30:39.369 --> 00:30:42.809 And then your question would be, did we budget for this? 00:30:42.809 --> 00:30:44.529 And I would say, well, yes, we did. 00:30:44.529 --> 00:30:47.730 In the Lamb Road TIF district, we put $100,000 00:30:47.730 --> 00:30:52.589 for the potential of a demolition, the potential of maybe 00:30:52.589 --> 00:30:55.490 it's landscaping, which would fall under miscellaneous. 00:30:55.490 --> 00:30:58.730 There's site repairs that could be done. 00:30:58.730 --> 00:31:01.890 And maybe, and I apologize if we're not more clear, 00:31:01.890 --> 00:31:03.750 but I believe what we are trying to say 00:31:03.750 --> 00:31:10.589 is there is no actual $100,000 right now that is committed. 00:31:10.589 --> 00:31:15.190 There's no committed funds right now in that for miscellaneous. 00:31:15.190 --> 00:31:16.750 But there could potentially be. 00:31:16.750 --> 00:31:26.750 and if I came to council and said I have this project in this TIF district, if it's not budgeted for, I can't ask for the, or I have to do special provisions to ask for that type of redevelopment agreement. 00:31:26.750 --> 00:31:36.750 Mike, and also with that, you would be more specific with whatever miscellaneous interpretation is, am I correct? 00:31:36.750 --> 00:31:37.750 Yes sir. 00:31:37.750 --> 00:31:50.269 It will be broken down what it is that we're trying to do and what the funds are geared toward when we go forward, if we decide to go that route with it. 00:31:50.269 --> 00:31:59.990 But the point that I'm trying to make is clarification, interpretation of what this miscellaneous item is or whatever the project is or whatever the case is. 00:31:59.990 --> 00:32:06.630 it has to have more definitive clarity with it so we can have a good visual especially a good 00:32:06.630 --> 00:32:13.829 insight visual of what you're referring to and that gives us that gives us a good viewpoint of 00:32:13.829 --> 00:32:23.110 what it's all about. I understand and thank you. I do. Ms. Stacy. I would like to make a motion 00:32:23.110 --> 00:32:29.190 that we stop with the budget at this level because I don't want to just run through these other tips 00:32:29.190 --> 00:32:35.470 I want to understand them. It's already after six so I'm making a motion that we 00:32:35.470 --> 00:32:47.039 stop with the budget after this diff and pick up here next Monday. I second it. 00:32:47.039 --> 00:33:01.509 Attorney Zito. Attorney Zito, yes. Is that adjourned then? Yes. Okay. We have 00:33:01.509 --> 00:33:16.910 I just wondered if it was a clarification to return to it after the meeting is over or to just return to it next time or what? 00:33:16.910 --> 00:33:23.910 I asked for next Monday to pick up with West Avenue TIF fund. 00:33:23.910 --> 00:33:29.910 So it's not for a motion to recess until after tonight's City Council meeting. 00:33:29.910 --> 00:33:34.110 she's actually asking to adjourn and then it would just be picked up at the next 00:33:34.110 --> 00:33:45.509 Finance Council. You next available. Thank you. Yes. There there is no scheduled 00:33:45.509 --> 00:33:48.750 meeting for next Monday. It would be a special meeting on a night that there is 00:33:48.750 --> 00:33:56.069 no meeting. Just pointing that out. The first of October. The first Monday in 00:33:56.069 --> 00:34:04.069 The next finance meeting that we will pick up from here. 00:34:04.069 --> 00:34:08.730 Manager Boyer, do you have any input on that? Do we have time for that? 00:34:08.730 --> 00:34:14.170 My only input on it would be, you know, I am available to ask, you know, more detailed 00:34:14.170 --> 00:34:18.489 questions about a question related to the budget, right? I mean, tonight we're reviewing 00:34:18.489 --> 00:34:25.269 the budget and kind of we're standing here reviewing the budget and anyone who has questions 00:34:25.269 --> 00:34:30.029 over the budget should get with me and we can discuss that, but this isn't the 00:34:30.029 --> 00:34:35.500 time to learn how the TIF works, this is the time to go over the budget. So that's 00:34:35.500 --> 00:34:45.159 my only comment. Madam Clerk, you take the roll on the motion. 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:59.989 Klemm? No. Johnson? No. Simmons? No. Parker? No. Stacy? Aye. Shadle? No. Sanders? Aye. 00:34:59.989 --> 00:35:12.170 the motion passes four to three I'm sorry the motion fails it failed I said the 00:35:12.170 --> 00:35:27.400 numbers wrong though three to four okay thank you so we're moving on to the West 00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:32.960 Avenue TIF so we have the again the expenses related to attorneys fees GFP 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:40.320 the Illinois Tax Recruitment Association. Site improvements would include new RDAs 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:45.860 that we would need to budget for today that we may not realize that that will 00:35:45.860 --> 00:35:50.279 come up throughout the year as as Director Duckman pointed out and then 00:35:50.279 --> 00:35:56.559 also miscellaneous repairs also in addition to that tax disbursement funds 00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:00.760 go back to other taxing bodies meaning there's a sort of portion that's shared 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:09.269 back with those those taxing bodies. Alderman Stacey. New RDA's. What's RDA's? I'm 00:36:09.269 --> 00:36:14.329 sorry that's a redevelopment agreement. Do we have any redevelopment agreements 00:36:14.329 --> 00:36:19.610 currently? I believe we do but I'm not I don't know if we have one in the West 00:36:19.610 --> 00:36:26.590 Avenue TIF district but as I just said the downtown had two of them Lamb Road 00:36:26.590 --> 00:36:38.309 has two of them. We do have existing redevelopment agreements. Okay with that 00:36:38.309 --> 00:36:43.829 I'll move on to the Bertrude Avenue TIF. Expenses include again same as before 00:36:43.829 --> 00:36:48.529 attorney's fees, GFP, Illinois tax increment association dues, site 00:36:48.529 --> 00:36:54.550 improvements with redevelopment agreement with FHN, other RDAs and 00:36:54.550 --> 00:37:00.150 miscellaneous repairs. So again last one here tax disbursement funds go back to 00:37:00.150 --> 00:37:11.159 and the other taxing bodies. Any questions on the Burchard Tiff? Okay, moving on, the 00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:15.599 Meadows Tiff, so the expenses include the same as mentioned before, attorneys for 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:21.039 GFP and the Illinois Tax Increment Association dues. RDAs include 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:30.429 Culver's, Kendall and Grace, the Meadows Mall, and then other RDAs and miscellaneous 00:37:30.429 --> 00:37:35.510 repairs. The tax disbursement funds also go back to the other taxing bodies. 00:37:35.510 --> 00:37:41.470 Bates, Principal, RDA with JJ Ventures. This is one that was set up in a little different 00:37:41.470 --> 00:37:48.369 way than the others and our auditors require the payments to be made from this expense 00:37:48.369 --> 00:37:55.429 line item. So, this was, I believe, one of the JJ Ventures agreement. That is a... 00:37:55.429 --> 00:37:58.389 That was the Joanna Fabrics. Joanna Fabrics. Yeah, right. How many years 00:37:58.389 --> 00:38:01.550 ago was that? It was... You got me on the spot here, but... 00:38:01.550 --> 00:38:04.550 Yeah, I'm sorry. It's been a while. Ten years, probably. 00:38:04.550 --> 00:38:10.029 yeah probably 10 years ago that was because it started as a yeah so any 00:38:10.029 --> 00:38:19.239 questions on the Meadows TIF okay moving on to projects fund so both of the 00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.960 following items have been transferred to the general fund Street Department 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:27.000 budget that used to be in the projects fund this is being done per 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:31.480 recommendation from the auditors and there are zero revenue and expenses in 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:37.559 this fund in 2026 so the sidewalk fund and the Gene Adams trail and Pecaton 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:44.760 Pecatonica Prairie Path have been moved to the street department. 00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:55.760 Alderman Stacy. I don't know if this is the place to ask this question, but what if we wanted to budget money for a lighting program? 00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:10.860 That wouldn't necessarily fall here, but that's definitely something we could discuss in the street budget, or in the street light budget. 00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:18.539 Okay. Moving on to the downtown revitalization loan fund. The city currently has one active 00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:25.139 loan from this fund. All available funds have been programmed to 2026. If a new loan is 00:39:25.139 --> 00:39:34.380 requested by downtown businesses, then we'll change that at that time. So, and that concludes 00:39:34.380 --> 00:39:41.909 tonight's presentation on the budget. Thank you. Any other discussion on the budget items 00:39:41.909 --> 00:39:53.960 Presented. None as public comments available for agenda or non-agenda items. 00:39:56.750 --> 00:40:10.630 Seeing none, I take a motion for adjournment. So move. Second. Motion by Klemm, second by Parker. All in favor? Aye. Opposed?