WEBVTT 00:00:01.620 --> 00:00:09.960 I will call the roll. You can call the meeting to order. I've called the roll and I will do the call. 00:00:37.469 --> 00:01:12.400 We'll call the meeting to order. Do we have a quorum? We do have a quorum, but I'll call the roll and confirm that too. Mayor Miller? Here. Alder persons, Klemm? Here. Monroe and Simmons are absent. Parker? Here. Stacy? Here. Shadle is absent. Sanders? 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:18.760 and Sellers. Yes, we do have a quorum. Okay, could we all stand for the Pledge of 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:36.879 Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:41.239 Huffines. 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:42.239 Okay. 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:45.439 Can I have a motion to approve the agenda? 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:46.439 So moved. 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:49.709 Second. 00:01:49.709 --> 00:01:50.709 Okay. 00:01:50.709 --> 00:01:57.709 It was approved first by Klemm and second by Parker. 00:01:57.709 --> 00:02:01.109 Mm-hmm. 00:02:01.109 --> 00:02:02.109 Just a second. 00:02:02.109 --> 00:02:04.549 I'm trying to write into that. 00:02:04.549 --> 00:02:05.549 All those in favor? 00:02:05.549 --> 00:02:06.549 All right. 00:02:06.549 --> 00:02:07.549 Aye. 00:02:07.549 --> 00:02:08.550 Okay. 00:02:08.550 --> 00:02:09.550 Any opposed? 00:02:09.550 --> 00:02:10.550 Nope. 00:02:10.550 --> 00:02:13.550 Let's move on to... 00:02:13.550 --> 00:02:14.550 Okay. 00:02:14.550 --> 00:02:31.250 Okay. A motion to waive the requirements for only this meeting of Section 220-1023B, Rules of Council, 00:02:31.250 --> 00:02:37.849 addressed by nonmembers to increase the time allowed to five minutes for members of the public to speak. 00:02:37.849 --> 00:02:38.750 Is there a motion? 00:02:38.750 --> 00:02:39.449 So moved. 00:02:39.449 --> 00:02:40.449 Second. 00:02:40.449 --> 00:02:42.449 Huffines. 00:02:43.650 --> 00:02:47.650 Okay, it was moved by Parker this time and second by Klemm. 00:02:47.650 --> 00:02:53.990 Are there any, yes, any in favor? 00:02:53.990 --> 00:02:55.990 All in favor? 00:02:55.990 --> 00:02:57.990 Aye. 00:02:57.990 --> 00:02:59.990 Any opposed? 00:02:59.990 --> 00:03:01.990 Okay. 00:03:01.990 --> 00:03:05.990 So we move that to five minutes now instead of three. 00:03:05.990 --> 00:03:09.990 Overview of budget process by finance director Michelle Richter. 00:03:09.990 --> 00:03:17.189 Wilderman, Sellers. Our budgeting process began quite a few months ago, towards the 00:03:17.189 --> 00:03:23.270 end of July, beginning of August, our department heads started to gather their departmental 00:03:23.270 --> 00:03:31.590 budgets. They look at past history, they look at the previous budget, and they start compiling 00:03:31.590 --> 00:03:40.590 We've been in the process of presenting these budgets to the Finance Committee of the Whole over the past couple months. 00:03:40.590 --> 00:03:46.590 We have also had one previous public input session. 00:03:46.590 --> 00:03:49.590 This is our second public input session. 00:03:49.590 --> 00:03:58.590 We've been in the process of presenting these budgets to the Finance Committee of the Whole over the past couple months. 00:03:58.590 --> 00:04:14.229 We will have two more meetings presenting various pieces of the budget before we get to the 00:04:14.229 --> 00:04:23.069 actual passing of the ordinance, our first reading. 00:04:23.069 --> 00:04:28.850 The other two meetings that are to follow, so in the agenda this evening were attachments 00:04:28.850 --> 00:04:31.569 to all the presentations we've had so far. 00:04:31.569 --> 00:04:35.529 We've had, I think, five Finance Committee of the Wholes 00:04:35.529 --> 00:04:37.529 so far. 00:04:37.529 --> 00:04:39.970 Our next Finance Committee of the Whole next week 00:04:39.970 --> 00:04:42.110 will cover some of our grant budgets. 00:04:42.110 --> 00:04:44.569 We have several of those. 00:04:44.569 --> 00:04:48.170 We'll be covering the fire pension, the police pension, 00:04:48.170 --> 00:04:51.050 and foreign fire. 00:04:51.050 --> 00:04:54.689 And so that will kind of wrap up us touching each one 00:04:54.689 --> 00:04:57.810 of the budgets and departmental budgets, 00:04:59.529 --> 00:05:02.209 at least for the first time. 00:05:02.209 --> 00:05:04.290 Since it has been, you know, two months, 00:05:04.290 --> 00:05:06.370 since we've started this process, 00:05:06.370 --> 00:05:08.850 some of the numbers are gonna be tweaked. 00:05:08.850 --> 00:05:10.089 They're gonna change. 00:05:10.089 --> 00:05:12.230 Quite honestly, just in the mail today, 00:05:12.230 --> 00:05:15.290 and if you don't mind Alderman Parker, I'll share. 00:05:15.290 --> 00:05:16.129 You bet. 00:05:17.290 --> 00:05:20.290 We just received the latest projection numbers 00:05:20.290 --> 00:05:23.009 of revenue estimates for the state of Illinois from IML. 00:05:23.009 --> 00:05:25.069 and this one just came in the mail today. 00:05:25.069 --> 00:05:27.529 So I'll be reviewing this in depth 00:05:27.529 --> 00:05:29.490 to look at our budget numbers. 00:05:29.490 --> 00:05:33.949 So once we've presented everything once, 00:05:33.949 --> 00:05:36.290 finance is gonna go through it again. 00:05:36.290 --> 00:05:38.189 City manager is gonna be going through it again. 00:05:38.189 --> 00:05:40.129 All of us will give it another final review. 00:05:40.129 --> 00:05:42.970 There might be a few tweaks and then that whole, 00:05:42.970 --> 00:05:46.269 those tweaks will also come to council. 00:05:46.269 --> 00:05:49.790 And so you'll see all of those and the public as well. 00:05:49.790 --> 00:06:06.790 Prior to the first reading of the 2025 appropriation, there will be an additional public comment that will be held prior to the meeting that night. 00:06:06.790 --> 00:06:15.350 Do you have any dates on when those other two meetings will be? 00:06:15.350 --> 00:06:44.870 will be. So we will have a finance committee of the whole on November 4th, next Monday at five o'clock. Then we'll also have a finance committee of the whole on the 12th. That's a Tuesday after the holiday. And then on November 18th is the intended first reading of the 2025 appropriation. 00:06:45.350 --> 00:06:50.089 and it will require two readings for passage. 00:06:50.089 --> 00:06:50.910 Okay. 00:06:50.910 --> 00:06:56.000 Anyone have any questions? 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:57.680 If not, do we vote? 00:06:57.680 --> 00:06:59.240 Do we vote on this? 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:00.279 Okay. 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.560 We'll move on to number seven. 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:07.160 Overview of the budget that has been reviewed to date 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:11.680 by City Manager Boyer and Finance Director Richter 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:16.680 for September 9th, 2024, for September 16th, 2024, 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:24.680 for October 7th, 2024, October 15th, 2024, and October 21st, 2024. 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:26.680 Manager Boyer. 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:35.680 Thank you, Your Honor. We have already reviewed the City Council budget, and that total amount is $35,760. 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:41.680 We have gone over the Commission's budget, and the total amount there is $40,020. 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:52.680 We've reviewed the city clerk's budget at $172,915, the communications department at $88,950. 00:07:52.680 --> 00:08:01.680 We've also reviewed the city manager and mayor budget, which is $215,110. 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:07.680 We've also reviewed the legal budget, which is $296,000. 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:19.759 the finance budget which is $159,750. We've reviewed the buildings budget at $272,725. 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:31.199 We've reviewed community development budget at $481,820. Human resources budget at $112,350. 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:38.279 and the hearing and administrative budget which is 25,000. We've reviewed 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:44.200 interdepartmental budget at five million four thousand four hundred sixty five 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:50.759 dollars and we've looked at the MIS budget which is our information systems 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:54.759 budget at seven hundred and eighty four thousand four hundred thirty eight 00:08:54.759 --> 00:09:02.240 dollars. You have to bear with me I have some of the pages turned around in here 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:04.639 a little bit. 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:17.860 We've also reviewed the police budget at $7,109,750. 00:09:17.860 --> 00:09:22.299 The drug forfeiture fund, which is essentially a net zero, 00:09:22.299 --> 00:09:26.580 but $20,000 in income, $20,000 of expenses. 00:09:26.580 --> 00:09:35.019 We've reviewed the fire budget at $6,772,965. 00:09:35.019 --> 00:09:39.259 The Fire Public Safety Fund, which is, again, similar to the Drug Forfeiture Fund. 00:09:39.259 --> 00:09:46.860 It has an income of $12,500 and expenses of $12,500. 00:09:46.860 --> 00:09:53.220 We have the Fire Improvement Fund with a revenue of $2,146,750 00:09:53.220 --> 00:09:58.220 and equivalent 2,170,795. 00:09:58.220 --> 00:10:09.939 $795 in the Fire Improvement Fund. We've discussed in detail on that. We have the 00:10:09.939 --> 00:10:18.739 Downtown TIF Fund with a revenue of $702,205 and expenses of the same. The 00:10:18.739 --> 00:10:27.979 Lamb Road TIF Fund, which is $3,851,455 and expenses of the same. The West 00:10:27.979 --> 00:10:38.619 Avenue TIF fund $680,115 and then expenses of the same. The Berger Hills TIF fund which is $20,025 00:10:38.619 --> 00:10:49.339 and expenses of $20,025. The Meadows TIF which is $251,190 and expenses of $251,190 as well. 00:10:50.059 --> 00:10:56.539 And then projects fund non-departmental which is essentially a zero. Then we have the sidewalk 00:10:56.539 --> 00:10:59.579 Program, which we're budgeting $20,000 for the Side Rock 00:10:59.579 --> 00:11:00.779 Program. 00:11:00.779 --> 00:11:04.899 Then trail and other projects, $21,000. 00:11:04.899 --> 00:11:09.019 And downtown revitalization loan program of $45,000. 00:11:09.019 --> 00:11:10.899 And expenses of $45,000. 00:11:10.899 --> 00:11:18.029 So that's the September 16th discussion. 00:11:18.029 --> 00:11:19.629 Pull that together. 00:11:19.629 --> 00:11:24.699 See here, tab three. 00:11:24.699 --> 00:11:31.419 October 3rd, we discussed the revenues. 00:11:31.419 --> 00:11:42.059 So the total revenues are $25,485,575 for the city. 00:11:42.059 --> 00:11:49.779 We have government buildings budget, which is $262,500. 00:11:49.779 --> 00:11:54.639 The cemetery care fund, which is $15,200. 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:59.619 The neighborhood housing fund, which is $625,000. 00:11:59.619 --> 00:12:05.139 and Tourism Fund of $285,000. 00:12:05.139 --> 00:12:08.979 In addition to that, we did debt service 00:12:08.979 --> 00:12:14.779 at revenue of $4,531,760 and then also 00:12:14.779 --> 00:12:19.779 expense of $4,531,760. 00:12:19.779 --> 00:12:25.739 And then Health Care Fund, $3,159,010 00:12:25.739 --> 00:12:31.539 and expenses of $3,159,010. 00:12:31.539 --> 00:12:38.459 Landfill Closure Fund, we have a revenue of $603,205 00:12:38.459 --> 00:12:44.939 and an expense of $503,205, with $100,000 going 00:12:44.939 --> 00:12:48.709 to build that account balance. 00:12:48.709 --> 00:12:51.849 We had the downtown revitalization loan, 00:12:51.849 --> 00:13:02.859 and as I already mentioned, was $45,000. 00:13:02.859 --> 00:13:44.659 October 15th will be next. Public Works budget. Public Works has zeroed out this year. That would be the Public Works Director budget. Under the street department, we are budgeting $3,527,205. Under the airport, we're budgeting $654,435. 00:13:45.659 --> 00:13:55.219 Sanders. Under the cemetery budget, we are budgeting $94,420. Under our forestry budget, 00:13:55.219 --> 00:14:06.059 we're budgeting $401,580. Under animal control, we're budgeting $88,245,000. And under traffic 00:14:06.059 --> 00:14:15.579 engineering, we're budgeting $63,000. Under street lights, we're budgeting $321,000. And 00:14:15.579 --> 00:14:20.299 motor fuel tax we're expecting to get roughly a million dollars this is a 00:14:20.299 --> 00:14:26.969 projection but one million thirty thousand dollars under the street 00:14:26.969 --> 00:14:32.409 improvement fund we're expecting to receive four million three hundred and 00:14:32.409 --> 00:14:45.659 sixteen thousand dollars and expend the same amount and then our next one to 00:14:45.659 --> 00:14:56.139 review is October 21st when we did that we went over all the capital projects 00:14:56.139 --> 00:15:06.059 Transportation, Facilities, Water Projects. So under transportation we're budgeting a total for next year of $3,033,100. 00:15:06.059 --> 00:15:27.699 Under Facilities we're budgeting $13,160,000. Under Water Projects we're budgeting $13,160,000. 00:15:27.699 --> 00:15:32.419 facilities is three million and transportation projects is eight million eight hundred thousand 00:15:33.219 --> 00:15:39.699 under wastewater projects 38 million seven hundred and sixty storm water projects one million one 00:15:39.699 --> 00:15:45.059 hundred fifty thousand and vehicles and equipment we're budgeting one million three hundred and 00:15:45.059 --> 00:15:51.509 fifteen thousand under the street improvement fund we expect to receive and i think we already just 00:15:51.509 --> 00:16:03.939 just went over that and then move along. Capital Equipment Fund, we're budgeting $996,525 in 00:16:03.939 --> 00:16:10.619 the Water Fund and this is including all revenue sources, including loans. We're budgeting 00:16:10.619 --> 00:16:23.219 $10,327,410. And on the expense side, on Capital Equipment Fund, we're budgeting $996,525 as 00:16:23.219 --> 00:16:33.339 as we mentioned before. 00:16:33.339 --> 00:16:43.539 In the sewer fund, we are budgeting $5,429,150. 00:16:43.539 --> 00:16:52.779 And under storm sewer, we're receiving $1,272,600. 00:16:52.779 --> 00:17:00.659 And then on the expenses, we're budgeting $5,429,150. 00:17:00.659 --> 00:17:04.980 and that includes debt repayments and revenues. 00:17:04.980 --> 00:17:09.419 In addition to that, I think that kind of brings us 00:17:09.419 --> 00:17:10.419 to a conclusion. 00:17:10.419 --> 00:17:18.719 We've pretty much gone through all the budgets so far. 00:17:18.719 --> 00:17:22.119 Are there any questions? 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:24.159 I do have one. 00:17:24.159 --> 00:17:26.439 Sure. 00:17:26.439 --> 00:17:29.000 When you talked about the cemetery, 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:30.279 you talked about that twice. 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:32.519 You did a 19 and a 15. 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:33.519 Miller. 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:34.519 Why is the cemetery in two different cemeteries? 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:41.849 You're thinking of the cemetery care fund as well as the cemetery operations budget. 00:17:41.849 --> 00:17:42.849 Oh, okay. 00:17:42.849 --> 00:17:43.849 So that's okay. 00:17:43.849 --> 00:17:44.849 Those are the two. 00:17:44.849 --> 00:17:48.329 And then another one, the neighborhood housing fund. 00:17:48.329 --> 00:17:49.329 What is that? 00:17:49.329 --> 00:17:50.329 I did get a call. 00:17:50.329 --> 00:17:53.529 Someone wanted to understand what was the neighborhood housing fund. 00:17:53.529 --> 00:17:59.779 Is there a way to find out? 00:17:59.779 --> 00:18:02.419 That's the real estate transfer tax. 00:18:02.419 --> 00:18:10.959 So anytime there's a sale of property it's .004 is what we take out of that and we take 00:18:10.959 --> 00:18:14.559 that money and that's what goes towards our demolitions and a little bit of that goes 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:21.079 towards economic development but that tax is all from the real estate transfer selling 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:22.079 a property. 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:25.759 So anytime a property is sold it goes into that fund and we use it for demolitions. 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:27.079 Okay, thank you. 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:28.359 And then I have another one. 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:30.379 You talked about the street lights. 00:18:30.379 --> 00:18:32.039 What is that going to consist of? 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:39.839 that's mostly the power bill okay yeah okay and this sidewalk is that that 50-50 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:45.879 deal or what is that that's it yep and you said that was 20,000 yes thank you 00:18:45.879 --> 00:18:53.169 anyone else have any questions if not we'll move on to number eight discussion 00:18:53.169 --> 00:18:57.250 of remaining budget by city manager Boyer and finance director Richter 00:18:57.250 --> 00:19:00.809 Michelle would you go ahead and take this one you kind of touched on this 00:19:00.809 --> 00:19:11.369 The only budgets that are left are the grant budget, so we'll have several grants, you 00:19:11.369 --> 00:19:15.809 know, be that police department, community development. 00:19:15.809 --> 00:19:20.449 There's several grants we'll go through next week. 00:19:20.449 --> 00:19:26.929 And then we'll have the fire pension, the police pension and foreign fire. 00:19:26.929 --> 00:19:30.529 Those are real, those budgets are really not set by council. 00:19:30.529 --> 00:19:35.809 Those are fiduciary funds, so we just kind of watch over them, but we don't have a say. 00:19:35.809 --> 00:19:38.289 They have their own boards. 00:19:38.289 --> 00:19:43.210 The Foreign Fire Board makes their decisions. 00:19:43.210 --> 00:19:49.750 We just, we do include them as part of our audit and part of our things, but we, they 00:19:49.750 --> 00:19:54.049 have their own boards that take care, that approve their budgets, but we do include them 00:19:54.049 --> 00:19:55.049 with us. 00:19:55.049 --> 00:19:57.769 So that's why we kind of keep those at the end. 00:19:57.769 --> 00:20:02.599 that's why we kind of keep those at the end and really that's we just have those 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:08.159 budgets to go over we'll be discussing the property tax abatements just as 00:20:08.159 --> 00:20:13.639 kind of maybe more of an educational why do we do it that kind of thing we'll 00:20:13.639 --> 00:20:17.199 discuss it before they'll those will come up those will be an ordinance that 00:20:17.199 --> 00:20:20.999 we'll have to read to what you know go through two readings on so we're gonna 00:20:20.999 --> 00:20:28.279 to bring that up hopefully on I believe on the next meeting on the 4th. We were due to 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:34.599 talk about the tax levy on the 4th as well, but I don't have the EAV numbers quite yet, 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:42.419 so that will probably be deferred to the Finance COW of November 12th. That is a very important 00:20:42.419 --> 00:20:47.219 piece to have before we kind of wrap things up with setting the 2025 budget. 00:20:47.219 --> 00:20:58.579 Huffines. Are there any other questions? I'd like to say something about these board of 00:20:58.579 --> 00:21:06.939 directors and these boards for our department and how we got it set up and how it was governed 00:21:06.939 --> 00:21:17.579 and who are the people that are on these boards. Do we have any perspective on how this is 00:21:17.579 --> 00:21:30.509 is set up within the city that we have no way to make a determination or judge or whatever 00:21:30.509 --> 00:21:35.329 have anything to say about these boards. 00:21:35.329 --> 00:21:42.289 How is that set up and why is it separate from the council that the council cannot intervene 00:21:42.289 --> 00:21:47.949 or discuss the matters of the boards for every department within the city? 00:21:47.949 --> 00:21:48.949 Huffines. 00:21:48.949 --> 00:21:54.109 Is it a policy set up or governing body that sets that up or an administration that sets 00:21:54.109 --> 00:21:55.109 that up? 00:21:55.109 --> 00:22:00.069 How is it that it's separated from the council? 00:22:00.069 --> 00:22:09.589 I'm just trying to find out why is that excluded from the council being able to review any 00:22:09.589 --> 00:22:15.669 of this stuff by board members or whatever and who are the board members that plays a 00:22:15.669 --> 00:22:16.669 part? 00:22:16.669 --> 00:22:32.669 I like to have those things revealed to, I like to hear those persons who are on these boards and how it came about because there's no historical, I have not heard anything about how these things just come. 00:22:32.669 --> 00:22:35.669 Alderman Sanders, is there a particular board you're questioning? 00:22:35.669 --> 00:22:37.669 Yeah, I'm talking about all the boards. 00:22:37.669 --> 00:22:43.669 Okay, so that's, okay, so how that is is those spots are appointed by the mayor and approved by the council. 00:22:43.669 --> 00:22:44.669 Fowler. 00:22:44.669 --> 00:22:51.949 So, you have approved those, a lot of them, when they come before the council, you either 00:22:51.949 --> 00:22:53.709 say yes or no. 00:22:53.709 --> 00:22:55.909 That's how they're seated. 00:22:55.909 --> 00:23:03.129 And they're on for so long, so it might have been some of them that are on, correct me, 00:23:03.129 --> 00:23:07.909 some of them are, have already been established and they're still on there because they're, 00:23:07.909 --> 00:23:09.749 are they like four and five year terms? 00:23:09.749 --> 00:23:10.749 It just depends. 00:23:10.749 --> 00:23:11.749 Some are three year terms. 00:23:11.749 --> 00:23:12.749 Some are seven year terms. 00:23:12.749 --> 00:23:21.769 and so on. And so when someone is appointed by me, they have to be approved by you. On 00:23:21.769 --> 00:23:22.769 all boards. 00:23:22.769 --> 00:23:33.149 I'm trying to understand the process of how it is that you're determining what boards 00:23:33.149 --> 00:23:41.149 are elected to whatever department. I don't, I think we're out of order with that sequence 00:23:41.149 --> 00:23:45.189 because it has not been something that we talked about 00:23:45.189 --> 00:23:48.349 as a council nor as an administrator, 00:23:48.349 --> 00:23:50.109 administration for the city. 00:23:50.109 --> 00:23:53.829 So I'm just trying to see how we got there. 00:23:53.829 --> 00:23:54.669 That's what I'm saying. 00:23:54.669 --> 00:23:58.069 It's just been that process for as long as I've known. 00:23:58.069 --> 00:23:58.889 Yeah. 00:23:58.889 --> 00:23:59.729 It's set by ordinance. 00:23:59.729 --> 00:24:01.029 Yeah, as long as you- 00:24:01.029 --> 00:24:04.349 If it's an ordinance, then we say that it's an ordinance. 00:24:04.349 --> 00:24:05.589 That's what I'm saying. 00:24:05.589 --> 00:24:10.589 If it's an ordinance that has already been part of policy, 00:24:11.149 --> 00:24:12.149 Huffines. 00:24:12.149 --> 00:24:18.509 That helps to govern the departments of these administrations and then who are they reporting 00:24:18.509 --> 00:24:24.509 to, the boards, who do they report to if we have questions. 00:24:24.509 --> 00:24:34.569 We might want to question the board in regards of their duties, whatever that's happening. 00:24:34.569 --> 00:24:39.789 We have not been in an arena where we have this kind of discussion and I would like to 00:24:39.789 --> 00:24:46.349 and I want to know why it sounds like it's being omitted from the council that we have 00:24:46.349 --> 00:24:54.149 not had an opportunity not even to introduce ourselves to these boards and board of directors. 00:24:54.149 --> 00:25:01.949 So I'm just trying to figure out how we get to where we are and how I should look at it 00:25:01.949 --> 00:25:07.069 and how the council should look at the situation because we just can't keep doing the same 00:25:07.069 --> 00:25:13.169 Olfing over and over it if there's no oversight committees, if there's no oversight to talk 00:25:13.169 --> 00:25:20.229 about these boards. I like to hear a full blown discussion about how board of directors 00:25:20.229 --> 00:25:25.629 operate within the city. Well that's really a wrong term you're using there on command 00:25:25.629 --> 00:25:30.829 standards they're not a board of directors. There's boards, there's commissions, there's 00:25:30.829 --> 00:25:35.809 that type of thing. And again, like the clerk said, that's all set by ordinance. So if you 00:25:35.809 --> 00:25:39.529 I wanted to look up the ordinance, it's been in place for years. 00:25:39.529 --> 00:25:42.809 So why have a board if they're not called board of directors? 00:25:42.809 --> 00:25:43.809 They're not called board of directors. 00:25:43.809 --> 00:25:51.969 I know, they're not called board of directors according to your, I don't know, who makes 00:25:51.969 --> 00:25:52.969 that definition? 00:25:52.969 --> 00:25:53.969 Madam Chair? 00:25:53.969 --> 00:25:54.969 I guess, oh. 00:25:54.969 --> 00:25:55.969 Yeah. 00:25:55.969 --> 00:26:02.929 I'd be happy to speak on the makeup of the Foreign Fire Insurance Board if you care to 00:26:02.929 --> 00:26:03.929 hear that. 00:26:03.929 --> 00:26:04.929 Yeah, whatever board. 00:26:04.929 --> 00:26:34.929 I'd be happy. So regarding Fire Department, the Foreign Fire Insurance Board, that is set by a statute, whereas the board members are elected from the fire department. So there's an officer and then and then served as president, secretary, treasurer, myself as ex officio. So any any matters related to foreign fire are submitted very much modeling after the city council here. They're submitted to the 00:26:34.929 --> 00:26:36.929 and 00:26:37.929 --> 00:26:39.929 John. 00:26:41.149 --> 00:26:43.149 The second item that the Council for Foreign Fire Board for 00:26:44.249 --> 00:26:46.249 consideration discussion takes place is it within the 00:26:48.569 --> 00:26:50.569 guidelines of the purchasing provisions of foreign fire that 00:26:52.669 --> 00:26:54.669 is voted on by the board members. 00:26:56.889 --> 00:26:58.889 How funds are generated by foreign fire, that consists of 00:27:00.989 --> 00:27:02.989 outside insurance companies, out of state insurance companies 00:27:04.929 --> 00:27:05.929 and so on. 00:27:05.929 --> 00:27:08.929 And then they submit those revenues back to the fire department for the use and benefit 00:27:08.929 --> 00:27:10.529 of the department. 00:27:10.529 --> 00:27:14.369 So it's very specific language that governs that use. 00:27:14.369 --> 00:27:20.969 And so annually, finance receives a check which is generated by the IML. 00:27:20.969 --> 00:27:23.009 They manage all this. 00:27:23.009 --> 00:27:27.529 They take a small portion out for their oversight of this fund. 00:27:27.529 --> 00:27:33.369 And then they submit a revenue check to the foreign fire insurance board. 00:27:33.369 --> 00:27:37.369 and I, and then the other thing is they review what's signed off on and it goes into the account. 00:27:37.369 --> 00:27:45.369 So it's a small amount, but that oversight and those personnel are defined by statute. 00:27:45.369 --> 00:27:51.369 By statute. And then Finance Director Richter want to speak. Go ahead. 00:27:51.369 --> 00:27:56.369 The fire pension and police pension are similar. 00:27:56.369 --> 00:28:00.369 So other cities work exactly the same way as we do. 00:28:00.369 --> 00:28:01.369 Weirich. 00:28:01.369 --> 00:28:03.849 And they have their own pension board trustees, and they're trustees. 00:28:03.849 --> 00:28:11.009 They're entrusted with the fire and police pension dollars and to manage those correctly 00:28:11.009 --> 00:28:13.249 so that their pensions are there when they retire. 00:28:13.249 --> 00:28:16.239 Okay. 00:28:16.239 --> 00:28:18.239 Are there any other questions? 00:28:18.239 --> 00:28:19.239 Okay. 00:28:19.239 --> 00:28:23.559 After I write down my thoughts. 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:31.479 All of the minutes for all of the boards and commissions are included in the consent agenda 00:28:31.479 --> 00:28:39.959 with every council meeting, they are their own bodies, so they approve their own minutes, 00:28:39.959 --> 00:28:44.839 but a courtesy copy is provided to council and the public with every agenda. 00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:50.039 When you go through that long, when the mayor reads that long list of minutes, you can see 00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:54.559 what determinations have been made by those boards and commissions. 00:28:54.559 --> 00:29:07.879 So those boards, I'm sorry, those boards are making decisions on behalf of the board of 00:29:07.879 --> 00:29:11.959 the fire department, police department, any other department. 00:29:11.959 --> 00:29:16.199 They're the ones that are making the decision, they're the decision makers. 00:29:16.199 --> 00:29:17.199 Am I correct? 00:29:17.199 --> 00:29:18.199 Chair? 00:29:18.199 --> 00:29:21.279 Yes, go ahead. 00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:30.679 Not the fire department, only the fire pensions and only the police pensions. 00:29:30.679 --> 00:29:38.239 How involved are boards within the administration of the police and the fire department and 00:29:38.239 --> 00:29:39.239 any other department? 00:29:39.239 --> 00:29:44.159 I keep saying that because I'm going to nail it down eventually to what all departments 00:29:44.159 --> 00:29:45.159 have boards. 00:29:45.159 --> 00:29:55.759 If they have not been disclosed to the council, we need to know who they are, what they are, and I like to know the individuals. 00:29:55.759 --> 00:30:08.879 and the individuals that are on these boards making decisions for financial, fire, police 00:30:08.879 --> 00:30:14.519 and anybody else, I need to see who are the board of directors, well you say they're not 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:19.719 board of directors, they are appointed, but they're still acting like board of directors. 00:30:19.719 --> 00:30:22.439 That's the functionalities of a board. 00:30:22.439 --> 00:30:32.599 So my thing is, what is, or who are the people that's being appointed to these boards who 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:39.259 are making decisions within the city that involves taxpayers' dollars? 00:30:39.259 --> 00:30:45.359 Whenever they're having board members, they're talking about taxpayers' affairs and things 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:46.359 of this nature. 00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:51.279 just trying to see what are they doing 00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:53.499 that the city council is not doing 00:30:53.499 --> 00:30:57.159 because they're able to meet 00:30:57.159 --> 00:31:00.319 and city council are not meeting 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.959 unless you call this is a meeting 00:31:02.959 --> 00:31:06.299 and we're not separate. 00:31:06.299 --> 00:31:09.199 They're separate from the council 00:31:09.199 --> 00:31:10.999 and we don't get to integrate 00:31:10.999 --> 00:31:14.879 or to talk about the functionalities of these boards. 00:31:14.879 --> 00:31:17.159 and that's my problem with that. 00:31:17.159 --> 00:31:21.759 But you have the right to go to any of those meetings 00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:22.579 if you want to. 00:31:22.579 --> 00:31:26.439 You can go to the fire, you can go to the liquor, 00:31:26.439 --> 00:31:29.159 you can go to any of those meetings if you want to. 00:31:29.159 --> 00:31:32.199 So, oh, the chief, go ahead. 00:31:32.199 --> 00:31:33.639 Alderman Sanders, I can tell you, 00:31:33.639 --> 00:31:37.559 I've been on the police pension board since 2012. 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.739 So, they say it's set by ordinance, 00:31:41.739 --> 00:31:44.039 but I believe the ordinance probably mirrors the statute, 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:45.039 Huffines. 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:46.039 We have a state statute. 00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:51.959 So our board consists of two active participants, two people from the police department. 00:31:51.959 --> 00:31:57.219 So the police department then votes on who they want to go, who they want to be on the 00:31:57.219 --> 00:31:59.219 board and that's a two-year term. 00:31:59.219 --> 00:32:04.879 There's also a retiree that's on the board and then there's two appointees and they consist 00:32:04.879 --> 00:32:10.439 of two individuals from the community, both of them work at financial institutions. 00:32:10.439 --> 00:32:16.919 When it comes to managing the funds, I mean, we used to have more involvement with investments 00:32:16.919 --> 00:32:23.479 when we had a consultant, but ever since the money has been consolidated, all the police 00:32:23.479 --> 00:32:27.279 fire funds are consolidated and controlled now by the state of Illinois. 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:32.039 So we really have zero input on how it's invested. 00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:37.999 But we do have a meeting this Wednesday at 11 in here, and I know it's posted, and you're 00:32:37.999 --> 00:32:39.799 welcome to come if you want to. 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:49.799 Can I ask how many people own these boards? I don't have my glasses on. 00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:56.799 And I don't really know what this has to do with the budget. Those are questions that you can ask those questions. 00:32:56.799 --> 00:33:01.799 Taxpayers' dollars are involved, so it has a lot to do with budgeting. 00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:08.799 We're gonna keep the meeting on the budget. But you can get that, get a copy of that, you can take it home and you can look it over. 00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:15.719 Miller, and you can go over it. And you'll know who's all on every board. Is it the times 00:33:15.719 --> 00:33:22.839 that they have their meetings? That is a list of who they are. The times are also available 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:28.759 on the website. The directory is available on the website. So we'll get you a copy of 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:33.159 that and then you'll know who's all on it. This is your copy, Dovie? That sits by the 00:33:33.159 --> 00:33:38.719 front desk in case anybody comes in and asks for it. Okay. Okay, we'll move on to our 00:33:38.719 --> 00:33:39.719 Huffines. 00:33:39.719 --> 00:33:40.719 Thank you. 00:33:40.719 --> 00:33:41.719 Are there any other comments? 00:33:41.719 --> 00:33:45.399 If not, let's move on to number nine, public input. 00:33:45.399 --> 00:33:46.879 I don't have anything. 00:33:46.879 --> 00:33:48.879 Did anybody sign in? 00:33:48.879 --> 00:33:50.479 Did anybody sign in? 00:33:50.479 --> 00:33:51.479 Oh, no. 00:33:51.479 --> 00:33:52.479 Andrea said no. 00:33:52.479 --> 00:33:53.479 Is there? 00:33:53.479 --> 00:33:54.479 No. 00:33:54.479 --> 00:33:55.479 From the floor? 00:33:55.479 --> 00:33:56.479 No. 00:33:56.479 --> 00:33:58.479 Is anybody from the floor wanting to speak? 00:33:58.479 --> 00:33:59.479 You're more than welcome. 00:33:59.479 --> 00:34:00.479 I guess not. 00:34:00.479 --> 00:34:05.399 Motion to adjourn. 00:34:05.399 --> 00:34:09.029 I'm up front. 00:34:09.029 --> 00:34:16.519 Speak on the budget or speak on. 00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:23.459 She's running from Monroe. 00:34:23.459 --> 00:34:25.539 Hi, my name is Sue Cook. 00:34:25.539 --> 00:34:29.139 And I was just, when I listened to the City Council meeting 00:34:29.139 --> 00:34:33.699 this past week, there was a mention about the fire truck 00:34:34.699 --> 00:34:37.419 and that we needed to order the fire truck. 00:34:37.419 --> 00:34:38.259 Is that correct? 00:34:38.259 --> 00:34:39.299 So that because the fire truck, 00:34:39.299 --> 00:34:41.419 it takes approximately four years. 00:34:41.419 --> 00:34:44.579 And our fire truck over at Park and Park Street 00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:46.639 is approximately 14 years old. 00:34:47.619 --> 00:34:55.299 and having dealing with an old car myself when you hit that that point because it sounded like 15 is 00:34:55.299 --> 00:35:02.339 about the point where a fire truck started to be put into retirement because they've taken such good 00:35:02.339 --> 00:35:13.379 care of it if we go ahead and order that truck now at a million or how was it a million 1.2 million 00:35:13.379 --> 00:35:14.379 Huffines. 00:35:14.379 --> 00:35:34.979 Mr. Monroe brought up the fact that how many fires, catastrophic fires, have we had? 00:35:34.979 --> 00:35:36.259 And I think you mentioned three. 00:35:36.259 --> 00:35:40.779 Is that correct that you said three, or did he ask about a number? 00:35:40.779 --> 00:35:50.019 There was an incident with that particular vehicle and through our use, three times that 00:35:50.019 --> 00:35:52.699 ladder has actually made contact with the building back in. 00:35:52.699 --> 00:35:53.699 That's what he was talking about. 00:35:53.699 --> 00:35:54.699 Oh, that's okay. 00:35:54.699 --> 00:35:55.699 Okay. 00:35:55.699 --> 00:35:56.699 Okay. 00:35:56.699 --> 00:35:59.499 It's just, it's supposed to be just public comment and not... 00:35:59.499 --> 00:36:00.859 Oh, I'm terribly sorry. 00:36:00.859 --> 00:36:01.859 Yep, yep. 00:36:01.859 --> 00:36:02.859 That's all right. 00:36:02.859 --> 00:36:03.859 That's all right. 00:36:03.859 --> 00:36:09.819 And one of the things I wanted to say is we do have tall buildings, Hosmer, Brewster, 00:36:09.819 --> 00:36:16.979 Winkin Towers. We have the old Stevenson Hotel down here. We have the metal ridge, park 00:36:16.979 --> 00:36:22.499 ridge where there are people that can't get out. So if we have another truck and a truck 00:36:22.499 --> 00:36:29.659 and reserve, it's going to be a lot safer for the citizens to have that new truck and 00:36:29.659 --> 00:36:35.819 a truck and reserve. So that 14-year-old truck, by the time that new truck comes is going 00:36:35.819 --> 00:36:41.439 to be 18. If they take meticulous care of it, you have a new truck, you have one in 00:36:41.439 --> 00:36:49.619 reserve and minutes do count, especially if people are on balconies, especially if there's 00:36:49.619 --> 00:37:00.259 elderly people on balconies needing help. It can really count. And so I think that it's, 00:37:00.259 --> 00:37:05.579 I think that it's a wonderful investment because it's an investment in people and it's an 00:37:05.579 --> 00:37:07.579 and 00:37:09.539 --> 00:37:11.539 John. 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.639 It isn't throwing money to the wind. 00:37:16.779 --> 00:37:18.779 You have a reserve truck and a new truck coming in four years. 00:37:19.899 --> 00:37:21.899 That's an awesome investment. Thank you very much. 00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:26.719 ≫ Thank you. 00:37:29.839 --> 00:37:36.129 Are there any other, if not, can I get a motion for adjournment? 00:37:37.629 --> 00:37:39.629 Can I get a second? 00:37:39.629 --> 00:37:43.829 Austin, second by Parker and Klemm. All in favor? 00:37:43.829 --> 00:37:46.829 Aye. Any opposed?