and the rest of the group.

and then we'll just go to the park and start to get the site changed.

Let's get a paper out there.

It's a column we can use to get things out.

Then you can do the work to get the content.

Yeah.

We're not trying to...

And I don't think there's that much there.

Yeah.

You didn't want to throw your two zones for a bit?

Okay.

Two there and five.

11 of a kind.

Well, and then some of ours.

Take a note, too.

I need to delete that.

Good evening, Justin, could you please give the invocation this evening?

Good evening, Madam Mayor, Council, everyone, would you please pray with me?

Lord God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, it is in you that we live and move and have our being.

You have made us, and so we are yours, not our own. Lord, you have provided and set in place whatever powers, governments, managements exist, and even as you have placed calling upon each one of our lives and gifted us with every ability that we have to carry out those callings, Huffines, you encourage us to turn to you for wisdom and strength.

And you are so kind to hear and answer prayers generously, even liberally.

And so we pray for this council tonight and its work.

We pray for our city workers across each department.

We pray for first responders throughout our city and our county.

Lord move each one to call upon your name for help and safety for wisdom and strength even as we ask those same things for them now here tonight and Lord we regularly hear and say ourselves that we live in divided and divisive days may we live compassionately and patiently before you and with each other and and enable us Lord to find the grace and forgiveness that you alone grant that we might live lives of grace and honor in the days that you have given each one of us and help us tonight I pray in the name of your only son amen thank you then I will officially call this meeting to order madam clerk could you please take the roll mayor Miller here Alder persons clam here Monroe here Simmons Parker, Stacy, Shadle, Sanders, and Sellers is absent.

Could you please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance led by Alderman Klemm?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Item number one is the approval of the agenda. Is there such a motion?

and Huffines.

So moved. Second.

Motion made by Alderman Monroe, seconded by Alderman Shadle.

All those in favor, signify by saying aye.

Opposed? Motion passes. Item number two is approval of the minutes from the meeting on September 3, 2024. Is there a motion to approve? So moved. Second.

Motion made by Alderman Monroe, seconded by Alderman Shadle.

We'll move on to the consent agenda which is considered to be routine in nature and acted as one motion unless a member of council would like to have something removed for further discussion.

Seeing none, the consent agenda consists of approving to receive and place on file from August 2024 the building permit report, the fire department report, police department report, the housing authority monthly report, and the greater Freeport partnership monthly report.

in the total of $654,071.28. Is there a motion to approve?

So moved. Second.

We have a motion made by Alderman Shadle, seconded by Alderman Klemm. Madam Clerk, could you please take the roll?

Klemm? Aye.

Monroe? Aye.

Simmons? Aye.

Parker? Aye.

Stacy? Aye.

Shadle? Aye.

And Sanders? Aye.

The motion carries 7-0.

Madam Clerk could you please read the appointment? Yvette Sellers to the Arts and Culture Commission.

Is there a motion to approve? So moved. Second. A motion made by Alderman Parker, seconded by Alderman Shadle. Any discussion? Madam Clerk, do I need? All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? That motion passes. Item number six is the second reading of ordinance 2024-50. Could you please read this?

Ordinance authorizing a lease with Matthew Van Bergen for Hangar J at Albertus Airport.

Thank you. Manager Boyer.

Thank you, Your Honor. Again, this is approval for Hangar J lease for the amount of $800 per month with Matthew Bergen and it will generate $800 a month for the city and staff approves the recommends the approval of this hanger lease.

Any discussion? Madam Clerk, please take the roll.

Klemm.

Aye.

Monroe.

Aye. Simmons? Aye. Parker? Aye. Stacy? Aye. Shadle? Aye. And Sanders? Aye. The lease is approved seven to zero. Item number seven is the first reading of Ordinance 2024-51. Could you please read this?

Ordinance approving financing or funding for purchase of a utility vector sewer cleaner for the utility and street departments. Thank you. Manager Boyer.

Thank you, Your Honor. City Council approved the purchase of a utility vector sewer cleaning truck at the meeting held on September 3rd in the amount of $587,670.06.

At that time, Council was informed that financing for the purchase would be presented at the next City Council meeting to be held today. The City has utilized tax-exempt government leases as a source of financing previously. The advantage of this type of funding is the and a lower rate of interest compared to regular market lending rates.

Because the lesser does not pay federal taxes on the lease payment it receives, it can offer lower financing rates to the government agencies with a municipal lease.

The intent of the leasee is to purchase and take title to the equipment.

The quarterly payments for this lease will be paid out of the sewer fund and the finance department received proposals from tax exempt lending corp with a rate of 5.49% for seven Years, and U.S. Bancorp government leasing with a rate of 4.63 percent for seven years.

Staff request council to approve a seven-year tax-exempt municipal lease agreement for $587,670 670.06 with U.S. Bancorp Government Leasing and Financing at a rate of 4.36 percent for seven years.

The proposal is good until November. So, staff encouraged... Is there a motion to move this forward? So move. Second. Motion made by Alderman Munro, seconded by Alderman Shadel, sorry. Motion Do we have a second? Okay, so the motion before you is the suspension, which is non-debatable, must pass by two-thirds majority. Madam Clerk, could you please take the roll on the suspension only?

Klemm?

Aye.

Monroe?

No.

Simmons?

No.

Parker?

Aye.

Stacy?

No.

Shadle?

Aye.

And Sanders?

No.

Motion fails for lack of a two-thirds vote.

Okay, so now before you is the motion to move it forward.

Is there a discussion?

Alderman Sanders.

Yeah, I'd like to know on this item, did we do a proper bidding for another option?

Maybe, I don't know.

This is the only unit that's available to us that we have an opportunity to look for other alternatives.

Alderman Sanders, this was a demo model. It's a Vactor brand, which is a very good brand.

They brought it out to demonstrate to the crews. It's basically like our old one.

and we are getting it at a discount compared to new because it has been used a handful of times to demo it so they're a source well dealer and source well dealers do not we don't require no one requires three bids with a source well dealer okay so this is actually a very good bargain and for a almost new piece of equipment that we can use today. So we do get in the business of buying used Fowler.

In this particular case, yes, and this is no different than the ladder truck we purchased last year, I guess it was, maybe two years ago, where we purchased the demo model in lieu of waiting for years for the equipment to be manufactured and delivered.

So what's the as-is policy on making purchases of used equipment?

I think the attorney has some insight on that for you.

So the purchase of the Vactor truck, that was already approved at the last council meeting.

So tonight, what's on the agenda is just how do we pay for it.

And what's on the agenda is just to approve the loan with the bank.

So it has been approved.

Yeah, that was on the agenda at the last meeting.

All right.

Thank you.

Darren.

Yeah.

So the reason that we asked for the suspension of the rules tonight is because we, as the approval from the last meeting sent a letter of intent to the factor manufacturer to purchase it and in that letter of intent we had 30 days to get our financing in place.

So that's why it will no longer be reserved for us going to be sold out from under us if we don't suspend the rules and make a motion because our next meeting I believe is not till October 7th.

Miller.

So what are our other options for paying for this then?

I would defer to the finance director on that.

We talked about that last week, that our cash reserves have the money, but we don't want to deplete them and we can't take this money from CIP because it's not a capital project.

We do have enough to cover in it, but the finance director didn't feel comfortable with some of the sewer repairs and things like that that we have been having happen within the utility lately to deplete that and usually a purchase of this size.

This is how we've been buying them on a lease.

Is this, sure, go ahead.

Is this the equipment that they said was the most important piece of equipment for this, the city, the one that came after both of the vehicles last week?

Yes, the sewer, the sewer vector equipment is used not only by water and sewer, but it's also been used by the street department where you do a lot of hydrovacking with it.

Most days we have two of these on the street.

Right now we only have one that's functional.

The other one, as I told you last year, is a 2002 and it's fully depleted.

We can't even use it because it leaks sewer down the streets when we bring it out of the Kessler.

So it's, there's really not much left of it to be honest with you.

It's not roadworthy either.

It doesn't, didn't pass the inspections.

Odomen Sanders.

Uh, so, so where are we at, at this point, uh, when?

We've already sent a letter of intent to Vactor, uh, the manufacturer, the sales people that, that brought it out.

This, as I explained at the last meeting, the only time that this has been used was actually in Freeport when we demoed it here.

So we're the only ones that have used it. We cut the ties off of it to demo it to make sure it's what we wanted. And it's been driven to three cities since they've got it. So we feel confident. The warranty is bumper to bumper full, just like it was brand new and never been used.

And so what we're talking about tonight is to reinforce what the last approval was on this item?

No.

Manager Boyer?

it's basically to approve the financing that's all okay which is comes back to the urgency because of the time frame of so just to remind council we got a right from the manufacturer sales rep and our rate to lease it excuse me over the seven-year period and it was higher than we anticipated so the finance director shopped around to banks that we normally lease equipment with and she We found better rates, better terms for the payments.

That's why we asked for some time at the last meeting to find the best rate for Freeport.

All right, Stacy.

So would it be fair to say that you jumped a gun in sending out this letter without knowing how the council really felt about this matter?

No, ma'am, we sent it out after the approval at the last meeting, which was the resolution to purchase it based on financing.

but we had not discussed how we were gonna purchase it.

That's what we're doing at this meeting.

The letter of intent is to hold it until we sign the contract, nothing set in stone.

It's so that they would not sell it out from under us for 30 days.

Okay, sounds good.

Okay, so since the vote has failed, where do we go from here?

Attorney Zito would have to tell us that.

So because the motion to suspend the rules failed, So this will go, if nothing else is done on this matter, it will show up on the agenda for the next, at the next council meeting as a second reading on the loan.

And if you guys approve it, then you'll have a loan for it.

But the problem will be potentially that the vendor may not have held the, held the truck for us anymore because they gave us a 30 day window to get our financing in place there.

So it might be gone.

if it is then obviously by the next meeting then then make no sense obviously to approve the loan because you don't need it at that point.

Okay, so could one of the aldermen that voted no on the suspension changes her mind and bring it back up for suspension and consideration?

Motion to reconsider?

Motion to reconsider.

I'd like to.

Wait, he had a question.

Sure, go ahead, read it.

So in your minutes from the September 3rd meeting, it breaks all this down.

We had this discussion, and it says a letter of intent and purchase order would provide for an early November delivery.

I don't have in here specifically that it was discussed, but I believe all of these options were discussed and it was council's direction to finance.

And that, I'm pretty sure that was all said at the last meeting.

With all due respect, I think jumping the gun was perhaps the motion to suspend as we probably should have had this discussion and then so Mayor back to bringing it back by one of the party that failed would tie that all together.

Right.

So Alderman Monroe, I think you had your hand up next.

I did Mayor and the City Clerk hit the nail on the head.

We've got a couple of gentlemen that like to tax and spend and ramrod everything through and we wanna have some discussion to understand what the best option is for the city.

And, you know, that's what this is about.

And this is why we end up in these positions because nobody wants to have a conversation.

Nobody wants to have a discussion what's best.

We're the financing, could we...

We're the financing, could we afford to do it?

There were two options here, financing or funding it.

And I think a discussion was warranted to figure out what the right direction was and to ask questions of the finance director.

And my concern is this, we can find a million dollars in the emergency fund to run a water line out to the west side of town.

We can't find it for something that we desperately need, I guess.

and that's the question that I've got and that's what I think really needs to be answered and asked and I think we've got to be able to have a conversation about it and not just ramrod things through.

Manager Boyer.

All I can say is we budgeted for equipment that we forego the purchase of so we can move forward with this particular item.

There were several generators that we budgeted for.

We are going to postpone those purchases.

This is a critical piece of equipment.

We were planning to purchase a new one next year, and it failed before we had a chance to get there.

The equipment was 20 years old, had survived at the city for many years, and we did discuss the financing option coming forward at this meeting.

Director Richter.

I'd like to answer Alderman Monroe.

The CIP funds, the reason why we can do projects, why we can fund a million dollar project is Huffines because by ordinance, CIP money can only be used on projects. I can't buy capital things with them like a truck. I just can't. I have to use operating money to pay for that.

If the CIP ordinance was changed, I could do that, but I just can't do it that way.

Do you have a follow-up?

I do have a follow-up, and thank you for that. But the point is that we could ask the question Huffines.

And I think we've got to get back to working together and not trying to block each other Johnson and David.

And I think I will stand as one of the naysayers in the first round to make a second to motion to bring this back up for reconsideration.

And I...

So can we have that...

Yes, but I...

Okay, so...

So you are making a motion?

and I, Alderman, Monroe, for suspension of the rules.

Yeah.

No.

No.

You have to do a motion to reconsider that vote.

A motion to reconsider the suspension.

Right.

Okay.

Yeah.

So.

Reconsider.

Okay.

So, again, that's a two-thirds majority and it's non-debatable.

So, Madam Clerk, no?

No.

No.

It's still not time.

What's on the floor, then, is a motion to reconsider.

Right.

The failure of the suspension, the motion to suspend the rules.

Miller.

Yes.

You got a lot of layers here.

And now we can have that discussion.

We have to have a vote on that.

Do we vote on the reconsideration?

The vote motion has been, to reconsider has been made and seconded.

It is debatable and it has to pass by a majority vote.

Just the motion to reconsider.

If that passes, now you're back to the point of the motion to suspend the rules, which is non-debatable, and two-thirds vote.

Okay.

We have a discussion on the reconsideration portion. Is there discussion on reconsideration?

Yes.

Do you have something you want to say?

Oh, well, yes. We wanted to understand why was it held back from debating or talking about this new equipment and what it really means to the citizens of Freeport and why we are making this major investment.

and so I think the council needs to be able to elaborate on why there is a necessity to the city and give the residents and the people of the city an opportunity to understand as well otherwise that wouldn't have allowed us to go into the suspension motion so quick and so soon without understanding why we're there so this is this is what I wanted to just okay so this is just and John.

I'm going to ask about the reconsideration.

You want to talk about the reconsideration?

I brought it up for suspension of the rules because it says it right here and we've had that since last Friday and I just brought it up.

You guys are all alum, they're trying to block everything in the world.

and John.

I'm back and forth all the time.

But my thing is, it would be a courtesy for the council to have that opportunity to hear what was proposed and what was already approved to elaborate on that particular subject or that discussion.

That's all I'm saying.

Okay.

Just to...

Okay.

So you have more on reconsideration?

We're not trying to block nothing. We're trying to get an understanding of what's happening in our faces. When the motion was made, I said, discussion, discussion, you did not Heimerdinger.

So we're entitled to that as the council.

We do need to look at the situation, openly speak of it, and determine what we can and cannot do as a whole.

We forget we're supposed to be doing what's best for this city.

And so I don't want to hear, oh, you're always trying to block something.

That's not true.

Now, I have another question pertaining to the pay. However- That's not what's on the floor, so you'll have to wait.

Okay, that's what I wanted to- So we can get back to that, but right now, are we going to reconsider the suspension?

So if there's no more discussion on that, Madam Clerk, would you please take the roll on the reconsideration?

Klemm?

Aye.

Monroe?

Aye.

Simmons?

Aye.

Parker?

Aye. Shadle? Aye. And Sanders? Aye. The motion passes 7-0. So now I believe I need a motion for, or do we not, for suspending the rules? Still got discussion. Right, I just didn't know what the right order was. Right, so now you're back, the motion to reconsider has been brought back, so basically now you're at the motion to suspend is on the table, but you have, so you don't need another motion in second, but you just need to discuss and then, well, it's a motion to reconsider. There's a it's non-debatable so it's just that it's the motion to reconsider is just or the motion to suspend is on the on the table it doesn't end the discussion it's just has it's an order it's a process so if the motion to suspend passes then it's just like we're at second reading now and there's no discussion then on the second reading so there still will be discussion how can we how can we make a motion on whether or not we're gonna suspend when we're still not sure what we we want to do yes that part only speeds it up so that you don't have to do the vote on the loan in two separate meetings right so if you vote to suspend and that's approved then you're sitting at second reading and you still have discussion on whether or not to approve the financing of the loan or not think

We're putting the car before the horse because we're gonna vote on waiving the rules and I mean we can do it but it's like we're voting on waiving the rules where we haven't even decided what the rules are what the payment is the only way right Kessler.

So what I'm going to do right now is if you wanted to talk about the item without the suspension of the rules on the table, if Alderman Klemm, I think who made the motion to originally suspend the rules on Alderman Shadle, seconded the motion to suspend, if they withdraw that motion, then you can talk about the funding as if the suspension hadn't even been brought up yet.

It was just a motion made to move it forward, which was seconded, then discussion.

so that's if they were to do that take to withdraw their motion to suspend the rules it would allow for discussion on the loan and then if it was after that discussion was took place then someone can make a motion to suspend if they wanted to.

That's up to Alderman Klemm. It's on the table and Alderman Shadle because they made the motion in the second to suspend.

Can you repeat what you said?

I made the motion to suspend. Excuse me, to take away the motion.

You withdraw your motion. Alderman Shadle, you withdraw your second of that motion to suspend.

Okay, so now it's just first reading on the table. What would you like to talk about?

I would like to know what are our options of putting money down and not financing all of this, but making a down payment and financing the balance. What can we do as a city?

Director Richter, I'm sorry, is there any benefit to that?

that still sounds like a loan to me by putting money down and and then making more payments. Manager Boyer? Maybe I just don't understand I'm sorry. I would just say that Director Richter has done her homework on this she's she's worked very hard to get the best possible situation for the city and so there's there's there's reasons that she has not suggested that we put an amount down and then also gone after a loan I'm sure that those were contemplative reasons but at this point what we have in front of us is basically two two financing options one less expensive than the other and one using US Bank which is a local institution so. To help you understand what I was asking let's say We say this equipment costs $10,000, and we put down $5,000 cash.

That only leaves $5,000 to finance.

What can we put down on this piece of equipment?

I don't know if you can do a lease that way.

I can talk to the U.S. bank, but of course we're at a time crunch as well.

One of our previous leases have worked that way.

We've done business with U.S. government leasing before for like the camera truck as well.

But have they not worked that way because it's never been asked or suggested?

I can't, I don't know Alderman Stacey.

The reason why, as Darren explained, why I wanted to do financing is that the sewer fund and operating money only has so much money.

We have other money that's sitting in CIP, but we can't touch that money for this purchase.

I understand that.

putting half down, you know, 250,000 on the VAC truck also depletes our cash significantly. I honestly I don't know if US Bank would do that and I'm hesitant to take such a draw on the cash balance. And I wasn't even saying half, I just used that for an example. It could have been a quarter. Something down is better than and nothing. I feel if I'm buying a new vehicle, if I put something down, that's less I have to finance. Sure, keep.

If it's council's will, I can or what they vote on, I can take any steps with U.S. Bank to try and put something down ourselves and then just finance the rest.

I assume that, you know, instead of financing the, what, 580,000, we could put down 100 and then finance 480,000 if the council would prefer something like that.

Yeah.

But then again, it's pushing back that deadline is what is the concern.

Well, she can find out, and we can have a special meeting.

We have them anyway.

Or we can just take our department head's word for something that she's worked hard on.

Yes.

It's not that I'm not taking her word.

It's not that I'm depleting her hard work.

I had a suggestion, and I don't think what I'm asking is out of order or asking too much.

Well, weren't all these things talked about at the last meeting?

yes yes that was my point well apparently we didn't have the discussion that we needed is there any other discussion concerning the first reading of this purchase are we just gonna let this go I mean because that's what's gonna happen are we gonna suspend the rules we should just suspend the rules do we have a second can I second okay so we have a motion made by Alderman Parker seconded by Alderman Shadle to suspend the rules which means all the things that we've We've discussed we're moving it on so that way it goes as if we're second reading.

That portion of it is non-debatable.

So after that vote, can we have Darren?

It's not debatable.

Okay.

So it's non-debatable.

So Madam Clerk, would you please take the vote on the suspension only, which means it moves to second reading.

Klemm?

Aye. Monroe? Aye. Simmons? Aye. Parker? Aye. Stacy? Aye. Shadle? Aye. And Sanders? Aye. Okay, so now before you, this is the second reading of this. Darren?

Just knowing the rep dealers, I'm sure that we can put a down payment on a vehicle Huffman.

I think that's an option, but I don't think the way the rules are that that's to our discretion.

So if that's the will of the council that we want to put something down, we need direction on what that amount is, right?

Because I don't think we can just decide randomly what that amount is to put down.

Yeah, but I think it's wise to take Director Richter's input on that.

I mean she knows how much money would be comfortable and what's not.

Will?

Just a minute.

She's going to answer that.

Sorry, Director.

My initial inclination is not to put anything down and pass it the way I presented it.

Okay.

Further discussion?

Alderman Sanders?

Are we trying to consider just outright purchasing this item?

Is that what we're trying to lean to?

Winslow.

So they want to finance it.

Okay.

You want to finance it, and any time that you want to finance anything, you should be able to have negotiating powers or negotiating situations where you can talk to whoever the representatives of the finance companies to work with us, as opposed to just not working with us if we're not making requests or recommendations or suggestions or whatever, to look at it from our perspective as council and the citizens of Freeport, we should look at this from all spectrums to see what it is that we can utilize and I don't think we have done that.

And so until we do diligence ourself as finance looking into these kinds of matters and anybody Winslow.

I think we should do ourselves due diligence all across the board to make sure that we're not missing anything that could have been considered, and if anything could have been considered and we overlooked that opportunity, then it comes back to the council, why is it that we had not done that, asked these certain questions, because we're representing the people of the city of Freeport, and they expect us to ask questions because they're sitting there pondering questions, why aren't we doing certain things?

Well, we're not the only ones that are sitting here with all the answers.

And what's best for the citizens of Freeport is for us to indulge in the questioning and getting answers all at the same time so they're able to understand why we're asking questions, why we're debating on such a subject and whatever the case is.

we just want to make sure financing is checked into clearly for defining clearly to the people that they understand why we made such a move or how serious it is or how drastic it was that we made this move without even considering other options.

okay so that's the second time that we've heard this um and that's her job yeah and so um that's part of the problem here is that the council gets into the mayor that's your opinion i'm talking the council gets into the day-to-day workings instead of just making a decision based on what the directors are giving the best possible solution so that's the point we can't get in the weeds on all of this stuff we'll never get anything done alderman monroe did you have something I did, Madam Mayor, and you hit the nail on the head.

I agree with you on that.

What I would question is, and this goes back to the conversations we're having on the overall budgeting that we've been doing, why didn't the public works director in the previous years put this on?

Because this piece of equipment didn't go from functional to non-functional overnight.

The fire chief is planning out four years.

These are the kinds of questions that, and this is why we're starting to ask questions because it wasn't done previously and these types of issues need to be kind of looked at in order.

I understand the importance of this.

I also understand the importance of staying within a budget and adding another $100,000 in finance charges that go out of our community to a national bank is concerning to me because because we've been basically funding everything we're doing now on what's to come.

And we're getting to a point where we won't have those options anymore.

I mean, this is seven years, 28 payments, almost $100,000.

I mean, that's two employees for the city per year.

You know, that's where the consternation is.

I am, you know, I support it.

I get it.

We need it.

But we need to have conversation about it and are the things that are left in the budget right now all important as we go through the rest of the year?

Are there places where we could trim and not have to finance this?

Those are questions that aren't getting asked.

You know, we've bought how many millions of dollars in fire engines the last couple of years in ambulances, five million at least.

And we don't look at the budget.

We just immediately jumped to what we can't, we're going to drop the two generators.

I get that.

The generators are what?

30k apiece about?

35?

What were they?

How much?

200 apiece.

That's 400,000.

600.

So we had three of them that were, so it's 600,000.

So we're not getting those, but yet we're still financing this.

And that was in the budget last year.

So put the 600,000 on this.

Where's the money?

I'm missing something.

That's what I'm struggling with.

Deren. Okay. So for your first question, we missed the vector by a year. It was in next year's budget. So we missed it. I don't control the wear and tear on the vehicles. It's old. It's 22 years old. We have got every nickel out of this piece of equipment. And if we want to park it for the next three months and wait till next year's budget, we can do that. Just know that next year's model is going to cost over $100,000 more than this demo model that we found. And I'm fine with that. If that's the decision and others. Your other questions. The reason that Director Richter thought about financing over paying any cash is because at the last meeting we told you that we had about $1,032, I believe, in sewer funds that could be dedicated towards this, but that leaves us very slim pickings when we have sewer repairs. We just spent $158,000 on sewer repairs over the last Bates, and the last two months of collapsed mains that were happening all over town that we need to address with.

So she didn't feel comfortable with selecting our cash.

Where we have CIP money right now, that's not an eligible expense for CIP.

We investigated that to see if that was an option.

It's not.

The generators that were planned for this year, the reason we didn't order them is because we were concerned about the cash, even though in the budget.

So we were being restrictive till we got to the end of the year here, trying to make sure Miller.

So we're trying to make the best decisions.

I have to lean on what Michelle says.

If she doesn't think that we can spend that much cash and it's not a wise decision, then financing is a wise decision.

a lot of these leases, we could probably pay it off early if we get in a good cash position.

So we don't have to finance it for seven years if we don't want to, but it gives us the option to spread cash if we need to.

The other fact was her research, I think, cut the interest rate in just about half of what we originally got.

So it wasn't that we just picked one option, we went to three different sources and picked the best option.

So again, we're not telling council what we have to do.

this is what we thought was a good recommendation if you'd rather park it and we address it in 2025 and we let this one go we can do that but it will cost us probably about a hundred thousand more because there's going to be different different emission requirements on the 2025 models and I'm fine with that we're trying to do this in a mode to try to save as much money as possible so we've got about don't quote me but I think it was about fifty five thousand dollars off of this unit because it had been demoed one time and and it becomes with a full warranty.

And it was exactly what the crews were looking for.

Oh, Ms. Stacy.

Yes.

We never said we was going to park it.

We never suggested parking it.

So please don't put those thoughts in our heads before we have another route to go.

However, what loans can you tell me were paid off sooner than later.

Well, I think we just did it with the John Deere backhoe, correct?

The backhoe we got, it was the end of the lease.

The end of the lease.

That was a different kind of lease though.

That was an operating lease, which was set up a little differently.

You say that, oh, we could pay it off sooner if money allow or opportunity knock you say that but then it never happened it goes to full term and then the interest rate is just stupid crazy I don't feel that asking for something down is asking too much that don't mean park it.

We had planned to purchase it next year's budget. If we buy it now, it won't be in the budget.

So why can't we put the payoff in the budget since we were going to budget it for it next and Huffines.

And then we have the next year anyway. It's like we keep Robert and Peter to pay Paul. Next year we're going to need these three things that you just...

The generators. We budgeted. When you see the public works budget, you'll see the generators and next year's budget.

And that's $600,000 that was budgeted this year for generators. Correct.

We can, but it will deplete our cash to an uncomfortable level for the Sewer Department.

So even though we budgeted, if we would have got those three dumps, we would have been in the same position financing.

But we budgeted.

The three generators?

Yes.

Yes and no.

We've had, and let me answer the question, we've had a lot of unexpected expenses in the sewer department this year.

One that I just explained, which was $158,000 in sewer repairs just in the last two months that we weren't anticipating in this year's budget.

So those are expenses that come in unexpectedly, and then we have to adjust the budgets by not buying something here or there or reducing what we can.

So a lot of these purchases that you see that are in the budgets, the big items get pushed towards the end of the year to make sure that something else didn't happen and we have the money to try to still stay within budget.

So there's still $400,000 that was budgeted that was not used.

So we still have something to put toward this piece of equipment that they need, the most important piece of equipment in the street departments life that they need so bad. Why is that asking too much? It was budgeted.

it was budgeted if that's what council wants to do then that's the direction your finance director is saying that that makes her uncomfortable with the way the finances sit in that department currently that has not been the only surprise that we've had this year and in the sewer department for repairs so again I don't think we're fighting you on whatever you it is you would like to push forward or move forward we're just advising you that it might not be the and John.

I think that's the greatest position for the Sewer Department and might put them in trouble long term.

Okay, so back to my original question.

Even though we budgeted $600,000 for these dump things, we wasn't going to use that budget money no way.

We were going to finance it.

Is that what you're telling me?

I don't know the answer to that question.

We budget for items that we take loans on. We budget for items that we get grants on. Just because it's in the budget doesn't always mean that we have the cash to purchase it throughout that department because a lot of our large equipment is purchased over periods. We don't just spend $500,000 on one piece of equipment. The items that you're talking about more that are budgeted in one cycle are much more expensive.

and more like our pickup trucks, our police cars, those type of items that aren't a half a million or a $800,000 purchase.

Some of the big equipment items like the Vector is a very large purchase.

We don't have within the utility, the police department, only the fire department would rein us on this type of pricey equipment, right?

And so, again, we're not fighting you on how you want to do it.

It's just somebody needs to express what the good decision is for the Sewer Department based on the finances that are there.

Director Richter, did you have anything else you wanna add to that?

No.

Alderman Stacey.

I am not doubting your ability, your knowledge, nor your input.

I'm merely making a suggestion and Lester.

They put money down on this big ticket item.

And she's making the suggestion that that's not a good idea.

Is there anything else we need to talk about with this?

Seeing none, I believe that means we're ready for a vote.

Madam Clerk, would you please take the roll?

Klemm?

Monroe?

Sanders, Aye. The motion passes 6 to 1. Item number 8 is the first reading of ordinance 2024-52. Could you please read this? Ordinance approving the city to enter into a fourth renewal to lease agreement with Peter Albert regarding 103 to 111 South Liberty Avenue. Thank you, Director Duckman. Thank you, Madam Mayor. The City of Freeport enters into a lease agreement with Peter Albert to Lease the first floor of the former Raleigh tinclad building on September 22nd of 2020.

This lease has been extended three times and go over the extensions we've had.

In 2021, we extended the lease at $1,000 paid annually for rent and that's expired on September 14th of 2022.

Then in 2022, it was also a one-year lease, but we increased the annual rent from $1,000 to $2,000.

And then in 2023, we extended the lease at the same terms at $2,000 paid annually.

And that lease extension has expired on September 14th of 2024.

And so staff is here today recommending a fourth extension with an expiration date of September 14, 2025 and the terms of this would be $2,000 annually paid in rent and that's staff's recommendation to move this forward.

Is there a motion to move forward?

So moved.

Second.

We have a motion made by Alderman Parker, seconded by Alderman Shadle.

Discussion?

Alderman Stacy?

Yes.

Is this 101 South Liberty or is this 103 South Liberty?

I'd have to get confirmation of that. I do know it's the tin clad building. So when you're driving towards, you know, the Raleigh building complex, it has that clad siding. You know what I'm tracking yet for you? And it's that building, known as the iron clad building. So I don't off the top of my head, there's several addresses.

I believe the 101 is his own personal building.

Okay, that's the one.

So he has his own personal building and he's also renting from the city.

Correct. He's not renting it, it's his. He owns the south one, the one on the north side is what he rents. And he was paying a thousand dollars and now he's leasing it for 2,000, correct? Excuse me, that is correct, yes. Why was there an Crease. Well I think at that time when we were negotiating the terms we looked at it look at the value of the building and it basically more advantageous to the city I mean when you're when you're breaking that down a thousand dollars annually is not even $100 a month so I think we want to be fair and what we we charge you know I've disclosed the lease for everyone you know to see and at that For the last couple of years we've been able to raise it to $2000.

In that time, two years ago, it was thought to be fair and reasonable between the parties to raise it to $2,000.

Okay. In raising it $2,000, though, that also brought down the taxes.

and Kemp, and I don't know exactly what the taxes were in 2022 versus the taxes would be assessed. That information for 2023 would be available, not yet for 2024. So I don't, I'll be honest with you, I don't know that exact number in the tax assessed value between 2022 and 2023.

Okay. Director Duckman, can you tell me who's paying taxes on point should be city of Freeport paying that should be a tax exempt building anyway so scratch what I just said but the assessed value go ahead sorry go ahead you had shaking your head here it would not be tax exempt if we're getting revenue on it and director Richter I'm pretty sure the last time I checked with you he he reimburses as the real estate tax is that correct or am I Wrong. Yes sir, do you want Aaron? Aaron? So I don't I don't know the exact numbers, but typically city properties are tax exempt. However, if a city property is leased, or a portion of a city property is leased, then we lose that portion of tax exemption. So we do pay some. Right, we might not get 100% exemption. We might have we might lose 5%, 10%, depending on how much is being leased there. So the state determines on how How much do we have to pay in taxes?

Then it sounds like, Michelle, you're saying that, Mr. Elber then reimburses us for that tax payment.

Because otherwise, if it was 100% city being used by the city, we wouldn't pay property taxes on it.

And it's not 100% used.

I think that building is at six floors or eight floors, and he just uses one.

He's using, the lease agreement is for him to use one, and we had to share that, and now I'm remembering now, we had to share that with the tax assessor because they were quick to note and ask us that, wanted to know how much.

So it's only a small portion.

and John.

There is some tax. There is some property tax there.

About $87.

Yes, if that's what you know, I appreciate it. Thank you for telling me.

Okay, we're moving this on to the next regular scheduled meeting.

Item number 9, the adoption of resolution 2024-101.

For a Pedestrian Bicycle Facility It says presented by Alderman's Klemm and Shadle. I don't know if either one of you wanted to say something first or just let Darren recap.

This is a revision of a proposal that came to us a few weeks ago when the time for it to come up for a vote, there weren't enough people there for the vote so it couldn't be brought up again.

again so we set up a special meeting to bring it up and the attendance for that meeting wasn't enough to have a quorum so Alderman Shadle and I brought it back to put it on the floor tonight so we can discuss it.

Aaron did you want to do a recap or just open for questions?

Go ahead. So this is a cooperative project between City of Freeport or a proposed project, excuse me between City of Freeport, Highland which is just Highland the college and then the foundation as one partner and then also the Park District here in Freeport. So It's about four point seven miles of trails Files, that would be built if we are awarded this grant.

Potentially one bridge, maybe two, is factored into the cost estimate.

After the last meeting, City Manager Boyer and Chris out at Highland asked us to redo the cost estimate because the last time we had done it was in 2022.

So we did that.

also added engineering and construction engineering into the project.

So when the partners were sharing the cost of the project, it would be the full price of the anticipated project split three ways.

Doing a little bit more digging, this is an IDOT ITEP grant.

So with IDOT, none of the processes go very fast.

So we think that if we were awarded, it would be next year.

it would be a design process of probably close to 18 months.

And then construction would actually take place probably in 2027.

So what we asked for in memorandum of understanding with Highland and the Park District was a financial commitment of 333,000 per partner, 100,000 in fiscal year 25, 100,000 in fiscal year 26 and 133,000 in fiscal year 27 if we're awarded.

Now, remember that this is just a cost estimate.

I think we are high here, but we're also, you know, two and a half years away from building it.

So if the costs are reduced, the partner shares would also be reduced.

The ITEP grant is a maximum $3 million grant.

So we're asking for the max.

And the ITEP requirements require residential connection Miller.

So we have to hit all those elements within there to have a good application.

So this application that's shown here is just a concept.

It's not the exact spot that it's going to go.

It's the beginning base.

The Park District even asked for a couple potential alternates based on what design would actually do but we feel comfortable that it would be no more than a four million dollar project and we would work to try to eliminate the bridges as well because the bridges are very expensive.

We just don't know at this point because we haven't designed anything whether that's possible or not.

Hold on Miss Stacy. Truth be told there was enough here for a fair vote.

We had a quorum or else we could not have even have sit down to discuss anything and it was, it did not pass by two-thirds vote and so how it ended back here I don't understand.

We had enough people here for a quorum. We voted. The vote did not pass. And I, the opposing team, did not ask for it to come back. I was given no choice in the matter. So let's just make that clear.

Okay. We have a little procedure issue here. I forgot to get a motion to move this forward.

to adopt a motion to adopt such a motion so moved second motion made by Alderman Clem seconded by Alderman Shadle Alderman Simmons yeah and what how is this back because it was voted on and it didn't pass and it was enough people here because y'all was trying to get all the person Stacy to bring it back to re-vote on it so how is it bad well he's gonna answer that so right Procedurally at that meeting, it was voted on. There were not the requisite number of votes to adopt the resolution. You needed five, and the vote wasn't there. You didn't get at least five votes in favor of it.

Later during that meeting, shortly right after that vote, there was a motion. It was entertained whether or not there would be a motion to reconsider. A motion to reconsider has to be made by someone on the prevailing side.

and Sattler.

The prevailing side was it failed so that would have had to be Alderman Stacy.

Arguably you could have made the motion to reconsider two Alderman Simmons.

But you guys didn't because you were going to vote no anyways you said.

So the motion to reconsider failed.

Now we also have rules in our code that say that any two Alderman can ask for an item to be placed on an agenda.

So that's what Alderman Klemm and Alderman Shadle did.

and the other thing is that they ask to have it put back on an agenda, whether it was at the special meeting or at this meeting, they can do that there, just because something doesn't meet the requisite number of votes doesn't mean that it's dead forever, right? Something can change, circumstances change, so things can be brought back. Now, the difference being is, or the nuance is that everything, anytime anything fails, should it be brought back? Well, if the vote is Huffines.

I think the difference here potentially is, you know, the vote could be different because you have different people that, there were people that were missing there.

But let's say hypothetically you had everybody there, you know, different topic where you had all eight members of the council there and the mayor was present there.

Let's say we were talking about whether or not to do an ice cream social, right?

And the vote goes down, you know, seven to one there.

Weir.

Or let's say it goes down six, it fails two to six, okay?

Two people want it, six people don't want it, right?

Well, those two people that wanted it, that didn't get it to pass, they could technically still put it back on the agenda.

But unless you know that someone's going to flip their vote, then it's really kind of a waste of time to do that.

But there's nothing that prevents an item just because it failed one time from being brought back there so that that's how it got back because two aldermen asked for it to be put back on the agenda. Alderman Sanders. Yeah and with that and with that statement you you're making well what happened to me I feel or the council probably feel the majority anyway that didn't and I think that anyone that didn't vote on the approval should be entertained with at least an explanation for why it is brought back.

You know, if it's gonna be brought back seeking another approval for it, then there should be a follow-up explanation of the reason why we're entertaining this again.

that's how I feel, and I think anybody else would feel that way as well.

You just don't, just because two people decide, well, we wanna put it back on there, well, give us an explanation to why you want that back on there, because there's altered, there can be other alterterial motives that is precipitating this, and we need to know why it is that someone is requesting to bring it back for another look at.

So, you know, I think people had their minds made up the very first time.

And if it's brought up again, it should have some kind of explanation why.

So, Alderman Sanders, Attorney Zito explained the procedure part of it.

So, if Alderman Klemm or Alderman Shadle would like to give more insight into why they wanted to bring this back, floor is yours.

Sure. If I could have the floor. Okay. It's really pretty simple. You got a project here that's got three partners in it. It takes all three partners to make it work. Okay.

You've got Greater Downtown Freeport that supports it. These trails tie into many different places. Okay. There's 4.7 miles. You're basically, like we said, there's $3 million worth of work we're paying We've heard from the other taxing districts, you know, what the hell are you guys thinking of?

You know, there's other people involved in this that want to take part in this, and it ties in different areas.

It ties in his ward, ties in my ward, ties in your ward, ties in many places, okay?

And brings people to different areas.

who ties in his ward, ties in my ward, ties in your ward, ties in many places, okay?

And brings people opportunity to use 4.7 more miles worth of bike paths.

So we felt as though with it being other partnerships in this, you know, let's take a look at.

you know let's take a look at this a second time and say is this do you want this or don't you want it if you don't want it all you got to do is vote no pretty simple and you got to remember it's it's it's committing to the funding for a possible grant we haven't secured the grant it's just a possible funding are you gonna put behind it so actually Alderman Stacy was next have we heard from Highland or the Park District. Are they're even willing to do this? Because we had no manager. Excuse me. I stopped talking so he could take the floor. I had the floor.

Well, actually, now you don't. It's actually manager Boyer's floor. As I I understand I haven't spoken directly with Chris Kevister, but I believe our staff has, and I've spoken with the Park District directly, and everybody is favorable for this.

It adds real amenities to the community.

I talked to Highland on Friday, and they asked for the memorandum of understanding for their meeting tomorrow if it passes tonight.

And I do want to say what was presented to the council was 200,000 for the city, 200,000 for the park district, 200,000 for Highland that have now turned into 333,000.

And let the record show that the people of Freeport pays taxes on this money, the city portion and the park portion.

We have to pay taxes on this.

and so as far as I'm concerned call the question. If that's a motion then to call the question there needs to be a second and then a vote on the question.

There's a motion made by Alderman Stacey seconded by Alderman Klemm to call the question. Madam clerk take the roll on on ending discussion and calling the vote. One Settlers, and Seller, not Sellers, three in favor, four against and that probably fails.

Hild. So that means, all that means is there's continued discussion. So Alderman Monroe.

So I've got a couple of questions and this is a little bit of cart before the horse.

So if we got this grant and everybody's agreement that this would move forward, what would be, who would be doing the work to do this? Would it go out to bid or would it be city and park district employees? How would that work?

So IDOT requirements, would it have to be contracted out? Anything with IDOT money has to be bid and will have to be done by contractors on that project. That's the, I guess, the skinny of it.

Did you have another question I didn't answer?

It answers my question.

Alderman Sanders.

all the participating agencies that are participating in this investment that we're doing, especially with taxpayers' dollars.

A lot of the funding for this grant has to be somewhat of a matching type thing.

Is that what we're talking about?

And then not only that, who's making decisions and surveys to determine the extension or the expansion of this particular project and who is it serving?

Is it serving the whole total residential of the city of Freeport or is it just some and not others?

Am I looking at it from that perspective because I know you were saying that you might have to make it, I'm putting it in my own words, that you, the designated areas that you were making suggestions for is for the grant purpose of being approved and so you designated certain areas for this grant and I'm not saying you're just holding us to that, binding the city to that, but it's just to get the grant presentation presented so we can We didn't get the grant approved. Is that how I'm looking at it? But it will be extended and provided for the whole city residential areas of Freeport because they are all taxpayers and their money has been, their tax dollars are being invested into this particular grant project and so I know you can't name everything to where it's going but the most vital areas is what the grant is going to be designed for.

Huft, jim, unless y'all get this out there just for the sake of getting the grant, is that what we're saying?

no, there's a map, and a memo, that was provided with this. the map shows the outline of the existing city trail system and the proposals for the expansion. most of it is within the west side of Freeport because that's where our existing trail system is so it's an expansion off of that trail.

Again, like I said, I dot wise, part of the process, you have to kind of come up with a basic area of the trail and you have to hit the components of schools, shopping and residential areas to qualify.

They want alternate recreational path opportunity for people from residential areas to get to parks, schools, and shopping that don't include vehicle traffic.

I agree with you. All right.

This project was already submitted for in 2022 with the same three partners.

And it was at that time when we weren't awarded, the three partners said at the time because ITEP only comes around every two years.

And this is a larger amount than what they usually give.

They usually are, I believe, half of this, about a million and a half.

So everybody that was in the partnership said, if this comes open again, we want to reapply. Anybody that knows anything that's going on with grants within the within the grant community, grant timelines have condensed greatly so you you have a very short and nimble window to get these things together. This one in particular about 30 days. A city manager, mayor, they all both know that if this does not pass tonight it's dead because we don't have enough time to to have the public meeting that's required with this.

Highland and the Park District, from my conversations, which have been emails, have been very positive about this project and the outlook of it and sharing the cost of it to expand that biking network.

And it's really not just a bike network, it's a walking path network.

Well, even if the grant was approved and things of that nature, who's gonna be doing the oversight and overseeing?

The City of Freeport will be doing the overseeing, but it is under the memorandum of understanding it will be all three parties working together because that's what the outline of sharing the cost means.

Okay.

And if we submit, if it's a yes and we submit, City of Freeport is the lead agency for this project.

Okay.

and all rules or policies will be administered to the, will be subject to the councils overseeing of these projects?

No, the rules for the project will have to come from the Illinois Department of Transportation.

An ITEP project has to be run by their rules, not the city rules.

Okay.

Okay, so are you telling me that the Park District and Highland have had their meeting that we were waiting on?

No, their meeting is dependent upon this meeting tonight.

Okay. And when contracted out, when projects like this is contracted out, We, the council, have no say so when choosing the contractor. Would that be a correct statement?

No, it goes to the low bid procurement process. That's how an ITEP grant, when you go to a bid, when we bid something out it goes to the low contract bid. And so whoever is the most responsible bidder with the low price can it should be recommended for that job that's that's with any project of the municipality so when is it that we don't have a choice you always have a choice that's why we there's been jobs they have come on the table so the only time you wouldn't be able to select a low bid contractor is if there's some disagreement with a contractor that the city has that they They hadn't performed in the past, they didn't fulfill a contract, they have a bond Settle, a contract, they have a bond issue, otherwise you're legally obligated to go with the low bidder.

Now it can be overrode, but if it is, you could have to pay the original low bidder their profit on the project, and Erin can probably expand on that, but that's the procurement rules with government funding.

So again, just generally speaking, right, so if a project goes to public bidding, right, to put the bid request out there.

Contractors submit their proposals, right?

You open the bid, typically then you award, as Darren said, to the lowest bidder, right?

You want to take the least expensive bid there.

Now that person, just as on previous agendas, right, when we open bids, the approval of that, the selection, the formal selection of that person, of that low bidder, still comes before the council there.

So that's the general process.

I think you're asking though, Alderman Stacy though, that there are times where it's just being presented to you as, oh, hey, we're gonna go with this particular person.

I think that's what you're asking, right?

A lot of times then that's where you'll hear city manager sometimes reference like a source well contract there.

A lot of times there, a source well contract is it's technically already gone out to bid just at a higher level, just not at the city level.

It's kind of gone out.

They used to call it the state bid where the state would go through a bid process and they would award it to a particular car dealership at the state bid level, it was bid.

And this dealership now has hundreds of police cars.

So then a municipality who wants to buy from them doesn't have to go through the bid process itself because it already went through the bid process at the state level.

And that's called source well now, they changed the name of it, but it used to be called the state bid.

So a lot of times then if something is a source well Huffines.

So that's one reason.

Another reason that you might not get a choice is there's only one person that does this, or maybe five people in the entire country, and only one that does it anywhere remotely close to the state of Illinois.

So in that sense, then, sometimes that one is just brought straight to you guys because it wouldn't be economical to hire a contractor out of California to come do that very specialized Huffines.

You know, but there's one company in Illinois that does it, might be six hours away, but still cheaper than California, Boston, whatever it may be.

So those are some of the examples of when you don't get it.

Other times there may be a situation where you guys, and it's come up before, where you guys, you're asked to waive the formal bid process.

You know, sometimes if it's an emergency, you know, an emergency repair had to be done, something broke over the weekend, they had to just go pick someone to fix the emergency B. Waterleak, and then they bring it back before you guys to ratify the emergency repair.

Well, you guys don't have a choice there because they did it because the pike was, you know, spewing water over the weekend.

So those are just some of the scenarios.

Yeah, sure.

Just one other comment that I meant to say earlier.

So the, and it's at the bottom of the memo, but our 2024 to 2026 strategic plan for the city of Freeport that was brought forward, there's three sections within that plan that to talk about expanding the bike and rec path.

So this project does meet that type of strategic plan.

And I listed those at the bottom and I had went through it prior to the meeting just to make sure that those were listed within why the project's being brought forward.

Okay, so no further discussion.

Madam Clerk, please take the roll on resolution 2024-101.

Madam Mayor, just an explanation. This vote here is for a matter of if it goes through or not, if we agree with it.

Say that again.

Its approval of the resolution is what this vote's for, correct? Correct.

It's saying that we're committed to the funding if we are awarded the grant. Thank you.

Klemm? Aye. Monroe?

Aye. Simmons? No. Parker? Aye. Stacy? No.

Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. The motion passes for wait one to five to two. Okay we'll move on to item number ten which is the adoption of resolution 2024-103. Resolution setting the date and hours for trick-or-treating in the city for 2024.

Manager Boyer? Thank you your honor. In the past trick-or-treating has been observed on Halloween October 31st. For the past several years the hours have been from 5 p.m. to 7 p.m.

P.M. This year Halloween falls on a Thursday. Staff is recommending keeping trick-or-treat on Thursday, October 31st from 5 p.m. to 7 p.m. And staff recommends moving forward with that resolution, 2024-103. Is there a motion to adopt? There is. Second. A motion made by Alderman Parker, seconded by Alderman Shadle. Any discussion? Madam Clerk, please take the Klemm? Aye. Monroe? Aye. Simmons? Aye. Parker? Aye. Stacy? Aye. Shadle? Aye. And Sanders? Aye. The resolution is adopted seven to zero. Item number 11 is the adoption of resolution 2024-104. Could you please read this? Resolution approving a proposal from OEC for repairs and upgrades to the city's fuel station and a proposal from Northwest Environmental for limited phase two environmental site assessment services at the public works facility on Island Thank you.

Thank you.

Darin?

Yeah.

At the last council meeting, OEC's contract was discussed for the fuel station down on Island Avenue.

The project was asked to have more respondents during the week.

We have asked two more contractors to get bids for this project and no one responded.

At this time, staff is asking council what's their wish to move forward or not.

The price will substantially go up in 2025, 2026 and 2027 for this project.

We had some issues this week down at the fuel station and we're fine if this item doesn't move forward, This item doesn't move forward.

We can address it next year.

Currently, we think that negotiating this price now is in the best benefit of the City of Freeport and then the work would, we basically lock the price in now but do the work and budget for the work in 2025.

Is there a motion to adopt?

So moved.

Second.

A motion made by Alderman Parker, seconded by Alderman Shadle.

Any discussion?

Alderman Sanders.

Alderman, Sanders. What's on the line here again? I use, I couldn't quite hear you. Sorry. The fuel station down on Island Street, last meeting we brought forward a quote to rehab the fuel station. The fuel station's having problems. It's at its end of its useful life. At the last meeting, you asked me to try to get some more proposals, so we did. Three different staff members. We tried to get three different companies to bid it. We got Zero responses back of any interest to move forward and bid this. OEC has been our supplier for 35 years.

They do all of our routine testing, which I believe is monthly down at the station, and there's other tests that are done quarterly.

They installed the existing station, and they're willing to work with us to have city crews and or other concrete firms do the work that they don't specialize in.

but we don't have any other options at this point in time.

Do not.

Okay, that's all I wanted to know.

All the questions.

There's no further discussion.

Madam Clerk, please take the roll.

Klemm?

Aye.

Monroe?

Aye.

Simmons?

Aye.

Parker?

Aye.

Stacy?

Aye.

Shadle?

Aye.

And Sanders?

Aye.

The resolution is adopted seven to zero.

Item number 12 is the adoption of resolution 2024-105.

Could you please read this?

Resolution approving intergovernmental agreement with Stevenson County for the use of county antenna tower at the county highway department by the city for enhancement of VHF communications within city and Stevenson County.

Thank you.

Chief Miller?

Thank you, Your Honor.

On July 8, the ETSB Board, Emergency Telephone System Board, agreed to fund the entire replacement of our VHF radio Network. In that proposal, included an additional receiver site located at the Stevenson County Highway Department garage or their building. So we're seeking tonight for you to approve a resolution to enter into an intergovernmental agreement with Stevenson County for the installation of radio components and antennae on their existing radio tower. We're seeking your approval tonight.

Night. Is there a motion to adopt? Motion to adopt. So move. We have a motion made by Alderman Parker, seconded by Alderman Klemm. Any further discussion? Alderman Sanders.

Yeah. With this antenna tower, are we leasing it as the city, a free port as opposed to the county?

Are we leasing it, renting it, or is there any transfer of funds happening with the connection with this?

it is the intergovernmental agreement and the resolution states there is no cost involved it's it's just them being held harmless in case our equipment gets struck by lightning or something to that effect now if one of their staff members were to tinker with it and create a short or do some damage to it they'd be on the hook for that but any natural causes any failures any maintenance that would would become the responsibility of my budget within the fire department.

But right now, it's just them wanting assurances that we're not gonna hold them accountable if there's a natural issue with our equipment.

So we don't have any insurance to...

It will be insured with our city insurance.

It will be insured, okay, because of, like you said, if there's any failure, not due to the department or the City of Freeport, we're not held responsible for that.

That's correct.

Okay, all right, thank you.

There's no further discussion.

Madam Clerk, please take the roll.

Klemm. All right.

Monroe. Aye.

Simmons. Aye.

Parker. Aye.

Stacy. Aye.

Shadle. Aye.

And Sanders. Aye.

The resolution is adopted, seven to zero.

Item number 13, could you please read this discussion?

Discussion regarding compensation for elected officials and appointed commissioners under the codified ordinances Chapter 220 for Council, Chapter 226 for Mayor, Chapter 228 for City Clerk, Chapter 262 for the Board of Fire and Police Commissioners, and Chapter 260 for the Liquor Commission.

Manager Boyer.

Thank you, Honor.

With the municipal elections scheduled for April 2025, City Council must set the salaries of those positions by November 19th, 2024.

The salaries of elected officials may not take effect during the term of any officer holding an elective office.

The salaries must be adopted 180 days prior to the term of office commencing, and in the case of the City of Freeport, a new rate for older persons will only be effective for those elected in 2025 and future elections. Below is a detail of the current rates. We pay for the Mayor and City Clerk, Alderpersons, Board of Fire and Police, and Liquor Commission. We'd like to discuss the rates with council in order to prepare the ordinance that will be brought forward on a later date. Currently, the Mayor's history is illustrated on that table there with 1% increase in 22, 23, 24, and 25.

We're including a table of potential adjustments we could make anywhere between what it would impact in terms of 1%, 2%, 3%, or 4%.

In addition, the city clerk is on the back page there and it shows you the combined history of the city clerk.

And then also potential options if council was to see fit to make any changes there.

Alderpersons currently receive $3,800 per year and that is divided over 12 months and the Board of Fire and Police Commissioners the chairman makes $1,200 per year that's $300 per quarter and each member makes $700 per year or $175 per quarter. On the Liquor Commissioners current rates all members receive $75 for Mayor, a 3% increase for each year of the term for the clerk and an increase in the clerk's municipal certification up to from $2,500 to $4,000, which is a professional Kessler.

That is voluntary.

And then Alderpersons increase annual amount to $3,915.

So total increase in staff's recommendation is approximately $31,900.

So this is brought to you for discussion.

And yep, that's everything I have.

Any discussion?

Alderman Sanders?

How is the compensation scale determined? And who makes those determinations?

That would be the council.

That would be the council. So we set the terms of the scale of compensation. Is that what I'm hearing?

So ultimately I think what you have right now is that staff is making a recommendation but ultimately it's up to the council to approve whatever raises you guys want to give or no raises for elected officials there that's up to you guys if you guys want to do it but ultimately if you guys decide to move forward with this it's gonna have to be set in an ordinance so an ordinance was going to be brought back to you guys to vote on if that's the desire is to make and Bates, and the rest of the board.

And then the next election, so the next election is this coming April there.

So 180 days, at least 180 days before that, then you have to decide whether or not you're going to make any changes to elected officials' compensation there.

So.

So we need to bring this up again within 180 days.

Before.

to do this is mid-November. IML, Illinois Municipal League recommends that you adopt it usually around October, sometime in October, if you guys are going to do it at all. Yeah, so in other words, council needs to meet to have this discussion to make this one way or the other, up or down. That's what this is for.

and so we need so we need to come to some kind of forum or session to make this discussion happen. Yeah that's what this is. Yeah yeah well we're doing it publicly right now. You have to. Right. You can't do it in executive. Okay. That's that's what I didn't know. I'm learning. So the staff recommendation or I suppose Huffines.

That's right.

Staff recommendation is a three percent increase.

That's what the staff is?

Three percent?

That's what the...

Yeah.

You have the graph before you.

What it would mean for one percent, two percent, three percent?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I thought I heard...

I thought I heard four percent.

Well, it's in the graph.

So you see the numbers.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's right.

Yeah.

It should be noted also, and this is state statute, okay, so that the compensation of of an elected official cannot take place during their current term, okay?

So you're always, while you're the sitting board right now, you're voting on whether or not the next council will have this raise, right?

And that makes sense because you don't want people voting to give themselves a raise necessarily.

So any increases would only take place, the soonest it would take place, is for those and the other half would be dictated to take place two years after that.

Because no one is guaranteed, no one knows for certain if they're going to win or not.

That's why it's fair to say for the half that's going to be up for election in April, you guys would vote on it. If you guys are running for election, you may or may not win. But at least you're not voting on your own salary at that point. You might be. You might be running for I'm not voting on your own salary at that point.

You might be if you win, but if you don't win, then you didn't, so.

So what's your pleasure, Dovie?

Attorney Zito, you said something about if you choose to vote on it.

In the case of the mayor and I, our wages are only set through this term of 2025.

So please vote on something.

Oh, thanks.

Or mine. Mine and the mayor's will be zero.

Got it. Sorry, I apologize there. So, yeah, it looks like Dovie's and the mayor's, there was a schedule for them in the existing ordinance that only goes through 2025. So you guys have to do something with them, even if it's just, I'm not suggesting anything, yo, but you need to at least put something back in place.

Oren Shadle.

But tonight, here's the thing. Tonight, you're not voting. This is just on for discussion.

Do you want to direct the staff to move forward with a certain percentage, not move forward with anything, whatever it is, we're just looking for direction.

the Mammal.

In the memo, the last four years, so the mayor and I are set by four-year chunks.

The last time we would have done this would have been in 2020, no 2021.

At that time, the mayor and I were given 1% annually.

Over that same course of time, non-bargaining, just general employees were given 2%, 2%, 4%, 4% while I stayed at 1%.

If, and it has to, I mean that's stuck because that's the state statute and I get that.

If I had had the opportunity to get the non-bargaining rate, my salary now would be about $65,000 and you would be considering $65,000 plus an additional 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%.

Because that didn't happen, let me turn that around, under the 3% proposed, I wouldn't be making the $65,000.

If it was 2%, 2%, 4%, 4%, I'd be making $65,000 now.

Because that didn't happen under the 3% raise, I would not make that $65,000 until the last year of the term of 2028.

So I am respectfully requesting 4% rather than the 3% suggested.

Alderman Shadle?

That taking into account, I would Go along with the 4% for the city clerk and a removal of chapter 220, 220.06.

Can you specify what do you mean there?

Removal from the increase.

You're talking about the liquor commissioners?

No.

Talking about the city council.

Is council mayor?

I'm sorry, I didn't catch the, okay.

So you're saying no increase to council.

Correct.

But he doesn't speak for everybody.

That's why this is a discussion.

Yeah, I know.

Because you're writing and I'm like.

No, I just want to keep track.

Oh, OK.

Madam Mayor.

Alderman Monroe.

Thank you, ma'am.

The one thing I'll also highlight is that since we've gone to the city manager form of government, the mayor and the city manager together Miller.

I think that's a good way to make about double what we were paying previously.

Somewhere in the $170,000 to $180,000 total range.

And I do understand the mayor's importance in the role, but the one thing I've kind of had a problem with, and I'm not sure how other people feel, I know the last council felt Fowler.

I have felt that the mayor's position does work more hours than what's expected per the pay that's on there.

I know it's a part-time position, but I do believe that you work at least 30 hours a week, which would fall under the full-time.

I do think we need to at least revisit the idea that the mayor position does get benefits along with that role, whatever the increase in the salary is, is to be debated. I also agree that the council not get a raise and we do look at the board of fire and police and liquor and the clerk a little bit differently than what we're looking at the council.

It's just my thoughts, I'm putting them out there kind of as a position.

I know it wasn't necessarily something everybody had the stomach for because it's a part-time position for benefits, but I do believe in order to get the best candidates always, you know, that we need to at least entice them with something to bring them to the office because it is a position that's not necessarily always looked upon with the amount of work that goes into it.

I know you and Rob both do a lot of work but it does bother me that you know we now have two positions that we're paying double the amount to together but that's a that's a whole other conversation but just putting it out there. I'm not sure that your 170-180 is accurate I think it's it's lower than that and and I appreciate your thought on the whole package kind of deal because the way it stands right now according to ordinance the mayor doesn't get retirement or or insurance or cell phone allowance or car allowance.

It is just a straight wage.

You do the math on it, it's less than minimum wage.

Attorney Zito?

And this is just broadly, as you guys go through this discussion, that I just something for you guys to keep in mind there, because I think it helps aid the discussion.

There is to think about just the offices.

Don't tie a person to a particular person to it just like would you do this for the office of clerk regardless of who is in it because you're setting it for the future right so it could be and same thing for the older people same thing for the mayor don't think of who's currently holding the position just think about what would you pay whoever fills this position and whether or not that person should be compensated that particular way because i think it takes a lot of the potential emotion or thought personal thoughts How many hours do a part-time mayor work a week?

Well, don't clock in if that's what you're asking me.

I would say if I added the whole thing up it's going to be at least 40. I do a lot of things in the evenings, weekends, there's no set time frame. But then again, that's by my choice because it's technically a part-time position and like any elected official, you can choose and others.

So, you choose to put in as much work as you want to.

I mean, that's obvious in Alderman seats.

You choose to how much you want to work.

Alderman Sanders?

Is it the council who helped to regulate or determine what a mayor pay salary should be or scale or wages should be like and the hours?

and the, what I want to say, and.

And this is a wage discussion.

As far as hours go, I don't believe by ordinance, you can tell an elected official how many hours to work.

There's no more than I could tell you, you have to put so many hours in.

Well, I mean, we're using measures here to determine wages and we're trying to find out who's all involved and making these determinations.

Is it the council?

Is it the staff of the city?

Who regulates that?

Who makes that determination?

If it's not an ordinance per se yet and to increase a particular office with wages, salary or whatever the case is, what part of this city agency Governs, what it is that determines the mayor's salary and what percentage and the hours and not only that, who's keeping stats, stats, who's keeping the status of what you're working and what you're worth, who determines that?

You know, I thought it was by your peers, yeah, I thought it was by your peers.

and John.

So the wage is determined by the council, set by the council.

Set by the council, that's what I thought.

And coming back to the stats? The status, keeping up your status. Like how much I'm working, is that what you mean? Yes, those kinds of things.

That, again, comes back to as an elected official, no different than the council, how much work do you choose to put in?

as counsel that we can do we can put our own opinions we can influence other opinions to go along with no percentage wage increase I didn't know counsel can sit here and vote on something like that or make that determination without a full-blown decision Well, that's what the discussion is.

So you have to set that by ordinance, which is what this discussion is, is to move forward with an ordinance.

And the staff suggested a 3%.

The clerk suggested a 4%.

Alderman Shadle suggested a 0 for Alderman increase.

Attorney Zito?

Just to answer Alderman Sanders' question.

So, end all be all, compensation for elected officials is determined by the council, okay?

There are, in our current ordinance, there's no set hours, you know, eight to five, two to six, whatever it is, there's no set hours for alderman or the mayor, and I will say that that's probably typically pretty standard, that you don't set hours.

Settlers.

I heard an expression of full time, collective time is put in per week or 30 hours per week.

Well, that right there says a lot to me, you know, when somebody puts that out there like that, that lets me know that something is regulated to make that increase for the mayor or any elected official, depending on what time that they're putting in to serve the people of the city.

I didn't know we were in that position or in that area to regulate each other, to make that opinion, to determine whether we're a 0%, 1%, 2% or 3% or 4%.

I thought it comes collectively together We are going to vote on it, but who's the narrative, who's narrating whether or not the subject matter should come up? Who's bringing the subject matter up? Do we all speak on it as councils to determine what it is that the council wages or increases should or should not be? Do we weigh in on that?

Cronenberg.

Correct.

That's why I put on the agenda for the council to have a decision as to, hey, council, what do we all want to do?

Do we want to give raises to the aldermen?

Do we want to give raises to the clerk?

Do we want to give raises to the mayor?

What do we want to do about the Liquor Commission people?

What do we want to do about the other commission people?

This is for you guys to have the discussion.

Every one of you guys can chime in and say, well, I think we should do this.

I think we should do that.

and hopefully there's going to be a consensus at least enough to direct staff to draft an ordinance that moves at least in the consensus direction there.

So yeah, for the salary part, yeah, you guys control that there.

Yep.

Well, that's the whole thing.

We don't have a council appointment chairperson or someone to help to direct or shape the the narrative of what we should or should not be doing far as how we come to our conclusions on anything that we decide to do.

There's no set person.

In other words, we're all just running wild in the council, not liking your viewpoint, not liking your viewpoint.

These are the viewpoints that I feel and how we should go about determining whether or not who has the best solution and explanation for why they're saying what we're saying, we're saying what we're saying.

So that's the reason why I'm asking, you know.

So if you want, so if the concern is that, well, each individual council member might not know what's, you know, what's out there or what should the rate be there, well, what you guys have at your disposal is staff.

You can direct as a council staff, can you go get some comparables as to what other communities our size are paying their elected officials.

You know, and then they say, okay, are some of them quote unquote part-time mayors or some of them quote unquote full-time?

That's a misnomer.

I'll be the first one to tell you that how much a elected official is paid is kind of indicative of maybe what you're intending the hours to be.

For example, just using the mayor position.

If you're paying the mayor, Let's say $25,000, that is most likely not a full-time job.

So you're most likely not expecting them to put in 40 hours a week.

If they choose to put in 40 hours a week, that's fine.

Now other mayors get paid 80, 90, $100,000.

At that compensation level, you're probably expecting them to be in the office at least 40 hours a week.

I'll give you the absurd example though, for whatever the elected official is, whether it's alderman, clerk, mayor, whatever it is there.

You can set all the expectations you want and compensate them there.

Every one of you guys could choose to show up or not show up to any meeting for the most part.

And the recourse for the most part is at the ballot box.

I'm not suggesting you guys do that.

You're not fulfilling your duties, your obligations to your constituents and you know, but in theory, yeah.

You know, if an elected official says Even though they were being compensated $100,000, if they say, well, I only showed up at 20% of the meetings, it doesn't change the fact that they still get paid their money, you know, to a certain extent.

Now, I know Freeport has some rules in their ordinances that abrogates that, but for the most part, you know, if you don't think your elected official is showing up or doing the job that they're being paid for, the recourse is generally at the ballot box there, so.

Boyer. I just said I would like to say if it's council's will I can get some comparables together. Yeah, I agree with that. Start in Chicago first. Mayor, I'm sorry you said. What's the latest? My recollection is that we have to swear in officials at the second meeting in May. That's what our ordinance calls for is is swearing in at the second meeting in May.

I think I backed out 180 days from that.

And it is, I think, mid-November is the absolute deadline.

You never want to put an absolute deadline.

That's why I think IML recommends that sometime in October that most communities, if you're going to do a change in compensation for elected officials, that you do it sometime in October.

So given the fact that we have two meetings generally, you know that to the extent the direction could be given so that you could have the ordinance at the first meeting in October for first reading, second reading at the second meeting in October you know and then it's done before that November deadline. It gives you a little wiggle room if you absolutely need it because you could push it to the first meeting in November and still be okay.

So what that basically means is we need to put something forward for the first meeting in October.

Right. Right. But in the meantime, excuse me, this should be some kind of formal discussion that we should not just allow the time to elapse in desperation in order to determine where we at in our own mindset. I think that it would be it would be nice for us to talk about this as we go O'Olon.

City Manager, do you think you could pull something together maybe by the Cal in October?

It looks like we will have to suspend the rules in October.

Yes.

That will put it back to the third week.

Do you think you could pull something together?

Sorry, I will amend that.

Something together by the first meeting in October?

Yes.

thank you as a discussion item I think we're still running into the same thing of ordinances our two readings right and and what I think my idea would be is that gives the city manager a chance to chat with each one of us get our get our thoughts put it together into more of a comprehensive along with the results that he gets back from his comparisons the comparables and then we can all kind and so on.

So I think we can kind of talk through it because, I mean, there's going to be little things that we probably don't totally agree on that we can work out, but I think we can get to a place.

So are you saying that he should have this discussion with each of you and bring it on as an ordinance for the first meeting in October so that way it has the first reading?

I think that would be the goal, mainly because if we get to that point, we don't have to to suspend the rules and we bring something in.

And if we don't reach an agreement, then we always have that option of falling back to the cow.

We still have the opportunity to change things.

Right.

It's just, it's getting the process.

And then it has to be quick.

I think I understand that.

But you know, at the same time, I mean, here we are the 16th, you know, we don't have another meeting this month.

So, you know, we're in that position where we have to make it a little bit quicker, but yet not crush the city manager in the process.

and his staff. No that's I think as long as I'm not hearing any objections with that direction for for staff I think that's fine I think that gives us marching orders.

Sounds great.

Did you say it was time to go home?

No.

Oh.

Okay.

Now we'll move on to department heads reports.

Finance?

Nothing, your honor.

Thank you.

Community development?

Nothing tonight, Madam Mayor.

Thank you.

Public works?

Yeah.

Just a few updates.

City crews are working on Iroquois, Chicago, and State.

We have a contractor in right now grinding the streets.

Should be done by Thursday at the latest.

Looks like next week we'll be into paving those streets.

Please keep your vehicles out of the way if you live on those streets.

It greatly enhances the time we'll be able to get the work done when we're not chasing residents to move their cars.

Adams Avenue, they started today doing some final shaping out there on the road.

that should probably take most of this week.

We should see some black binder going down pretty soon.

They should just be doing a little bit of concrete work and some dirt work out there right now.

Ridge and Westwood, the water main is being completed right now.

I would say they're probably close to being half done with water main at this point.

That project should be done by Thanksgiving.

Water treatment plant, just an update on that.

Soils, the contaminated soils, most of that material has been removed from the site and hauled off.

They actually are installing piles that the buildings will go on on the sept and the UV, they've started installing the lower structure, the sump area, and more concrete to work so it's getting fairly busy out there with a lot of contractors working.

also lead service lines. We're about two thirds done with this package so far. I tried to get a number on how many we've completed today, but I wasn't able to get that before the meeting. So a lot of good projects, a lot of work being done, and it's going to be a very busy fall.

Thank you. Boyer?

Nothing this evening.

Thank you. Police?

I have no report.

Thank you. Library?

I just want to remind everybody that are we're taking registration for our pumpkin decorating contest so you'll have until September 28th to register on our website and then you get a free pumpkin to decorate like a book character and the voting will happen Closer to Halloween Thank you IT Thank you, I don't think communication is in here is he nope Fowler. City Manager. I would just like to invite anyone interested. We're having a ribbon cutting on Oak Avenue tomorrow at 745, so if you can make it, you are invited. AM. Okay, I have three events I want to, I don't know if everyone's aware of them, so I was going to have you put these on your calendar if it works. Thursday, the 333rd National Guard is being deployed and they will be heading to Alaska.

They're going to be deployed out of the Masonic Temple and Governor Pritzker is expected to be in attendance.

I don't have any details other than just that.

So when I find out timeframes, I'll let you know.

Also, then next weekend, there is a celebration of life.

It's the continuing of the peace within the community.

So next Friday, the 27th, if you are available and Lindsey.

We have a new plan for October 7th.

We are going to have it at 10 o'clock in the morning.

It's going to be cleaning up debris and trash along the Frank Street between Chicago and Carroll.

Then on Saturday the 28th will be the block party which is music, food, resource tables, meet and greet atmosphere.

Huffines, Scott, Get Together. I almost called it a party. There are cookies there. If you like good cookies, they have great ones. That'll go until about eight o'clock and that's all I have. Thank you. Alderman Simmons? I don't have anything. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman Parker?

Nothing tonight, your honor. Thank you. Alderman Stacey? Yes, since it wasn't mentioned, I I would like to mention, Saturday the 21st, there will be a air show at the airport.

Gates open at 10.30, the show starts at 1.30.

There is a $15 general admission, children 10 and under are free.

so let's go out and support our very important airport. Thank you Alderman Shadle. Nothing tonight. Thank you Alderman Sanders. Nothing Mayor. That leaves us with public comment the first that was signed in is Jim French if you'd like to go to the podium and you have three minutes. Jodi Miller, City Manager Rob Boyer, Harris, and Clerk Dovie Anderson, Ollivan, Don Parker, Dave Monroe, Tom Klemm, Cecelia, Stacy, George, Shadle, is that right?

Sellers, Shadle.

And Mayor Sanders, I don't know if Simmons is your name?

Okay, I'm sorry, you must be new.

I'm here tonight as a new resident of Freeport, Illinois, and my wife and I moved in on April 15th.

We are glad to be here.

We are glad to be in Freeport.

Freeport is known as a, on the website, as a jewel of a city. I don't know if you knew that or not.

It's recommended as a place for people to come and retire. It's a wholesome city. The people here are friendly.

They're intelligent. They're wise. They're cheerful and energetic and forward-looking.

And we are not strangers to Dakota. We've been, I mean, Freeport, we've lived in Dakota since 1983.

Freeport has been the center of our activities, our grocery shopping, our doctors, medical things, gas stations.

We've been active in Highland and Winnipeg plays and musicals.

The Anderson right here was Wendy and the star of Peter Pan out of Highland some years ago.

I worked with Don Parker.

My goodness, the guy is the chief of the police while we're putting in 9-1-1.

I mean, we helped pass it, but the implementation of that took a lot of work.

If you want to see who put the place and got the City of Freeport's Council and Center to be in the Freeport Police Station, you're to Don Parker.

And so anytime you want to give that man a hand, say, Don, we thank you for what you've done to the public safety of the City of Freeport.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

You're welcome.

And I've had a chance to meet, I worked with Mark McElroy, the former mayor on a county government.

and Jim Goetz, if you'll have me, my new Freeport lawyer.

I know Judge Goldruff.

I've met him a couple of times.

He's a great guy.

And I married Jodi Miller.

Hurt to her husband, to her husband.

I was the pastor that officiated their wedding.

So I got a few credits here.

Dr. Quinn-Fridge is my wife.

She was a substance, a music teacher.

I called Sandberg for a long time.

She's the chairman and president of the Freeport Coral Society.

She and her friends started CHOM, the Children's Hands-On Museum, and they worked there all the time.

In my time, I've been a substitute teacher at a lot of the Freeport schools.

I got to teach for a year at Aquin.

It's been a pleasure.

All the students, I had students at State and Local Government out of Highland.

Been a Columbia instructor from Columbia College at nighttime.

At any rate, for us in Dakota, this is a fun city.

I think this is a mecca for entertainment, good restaurants, and a lot of other things.

In any case, I hope they'll be able to talk with Rob Boyer, the manager, and Jodi Miller, the mayor.

Fifteen, twenty minute discussions, and somebody will start saying, why don't you come and talk to the city council?

You can share everything you have on your mind.

Well, we've only got a few minutes here.

Yes, and your time has exceeded.

We appreciate all your kind words.

Yes, if I could, I would like to be able to speak to both of you.

But you can set up a meeting where our doors are open.

OK, that's all I wanted to say tonight.

Thank you very much. Hope to see you.

This is not a one off.

I hope to be able to come back and talk again.

Thank you. All right. Thank you.

And next on the list is Josh Atkinson.

Good evening, Madam Mayor and Council, Joshua Atkinson, if we're here.

I apologize, because I guess I signed the wrong sheet.

I thought I was going to speak before but that's on me. I didn't stupid me. I'll be as clear and direct as possible. Last week one of our neighbors came before this One of our neighbors came before this council and spoke about the 49 young men who make up the Highlands baseball team.

These students were recruited from all over the Central and South America, leaving behind their families and homes for an education and a shot at going pro.

But they're struggling here.

These young men don't have the basic necessities like winter coats.

Over the past week, has anyone here cared enough to reach out to any of them?

Thank you.

I visited these young men myself after their practice last week, and what I saw was unacceptable.

I joined in with the PUSH organization, represented by Frankie back there, which she was there serving food because these kids don't have enough to eat.

I saw four young men crammed into a filthy two-bedroom apartment, sleeping on the floor, with no table, no chairs, no place to unpack their suitcases, not even an appropriate place to study.

The appliances were rusted, and the overall conditions were terrible.

But despite all of this, these boys were nothing but respectful and gracious.

It's embarrassing to see how Freeport and Highland are treating these young athletes who chose to join our community for a shot at a better life.

We should all be ashamed of this.

Now let's bring this full circle, which is why I wanted to speak ahead of time.

The bike path expansion can wait.

I urge you all to get a hold of Highland and let them know that there is a better use for for their $330,000 input into this plan.

It would be better spent on helping these student athletes and others under their care succeed.

Rather than another four miles of bike path only benefiting the west side of town, we had to hear a lot of talk about how much you all love the children when it came to possibly spending $1 million of taxpayer money on a water main extension to open Bible.

So where is that heartfelt energy when it comes to these 49 kids.

We cannot continue to neglect our residents, visitors, and infrastructure and expect our population to stop declining, businesses to return, and the drugs and guns to disappear.

If you truly want to represent this community, now is the time to step up and take real action.

Thank you.

Are there any other, Wendy?

Good evening, Council.

My name is Wendy Pearson.

Those of you that don't know, there were a couple things that were said that I'd like to put some clarification on first of all when we talk about bids in this town the question I was going to ask is how many bids how many how often are there three bidders on any contract in this town and Darren happened to answer that with the question well with a with an answer to the fact that they put out for three bidders and got none how often are the bike and walking trails utilized in this town and who's who's utilizing them.

As some of you know, my background is in minority business and contracts and specifications.

So when you talk this, Darren knows I know what you're talking about.

As far as an increase in salaries, I think the city of Freeport citizens have the right to know what the exact salaries are of the mayor and the city manager because tonight what was stated that their salaries are somewhere between 170 to $180,000.

That does not give me directs or anybody else directs as to what those individual salaries are.

Finally, I wish that we saw in our neighborhoods the individual who is supposed to be the eyes, ears, and mouth of us, the people.

I wish I could see persons who supposed to be that in our communities, going to meetings, meeting with our children, going into our churches.

I'm sorry, I don't agree on an increase for the mayor.

I'd like to see our neighborhood and our mayor have an impact on what is happening in this city, what has been happening in this city for 20 years prior to her even becoming the mayor.

I've not seen that impact.

And this isn't personal, but I've watched too many people be put in the ground and too many of our children dead.

I have a list of individuals who were shooting, were shot and now are dead.

This latest shooting shouldn't have been a walk around the block, which is what we did.

It should have been in our neighborhoods.

It should have been with all of you, every one of you city council meetings, walking the streets with us.

And I have not seen that from any of you.

It's time to change it.

It's time to stop the shootings.

It's time for everybody to be involved in what is happening in our community because it's not just happening in the black community.

it's happening all over Freeport now.

Black, white, kids, young folks, old folks being traumatized by gunfire.

A chief who has had to go out on a limb to try to keep from killing one of our own and I've had those conversations with him and I'd like to say thank you because that situation is one that I have been thinking was gonna happen in this town for a very long time and we've had that conversation and it has happened.

Your three minutes has exceeded.

We need change, people. And we need you all to help with the change. Not sit on your butts in here. Get on the streets.

And just so you know, my salary was posted in the memo, so all you got to do is read it.

All you got to do is give it to us.

I'll tell you, at the beginning of the term, I made $27,915, and- Break it down.

For you.

No, break it down.

Are there any other public comments? Then we'll entertain a motion for adjournment.

So moved.

Second.

We have a motion made by Alderman Shadle, seconded by Alderman Monroe. All those in favor?