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City Manager, Mayor Jodi, and Council, let us pray.

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Holy and righteous Father, we thank you for who you are and welcome the presence of Holy Spirit

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to move in our midst this evening.

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We pray for all things to be done

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instantly and in order with mutual respect for each one here. May all speak with kindness and

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follow your word in Proverbs 15 one which says, A soft answer turns away wrath.

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We bind all manner of anger, cursing, and ill will toward each other, and lose.

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We release shalom, that is peace, well-being, to make something whole and be complete.

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We release shalom, that is peace, wholeness, completeness, with nothing missing or lacking.

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May this be so as the business of this city is conducted tonight.

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that all treat each other as they themselves desire to be treated and putting others, put

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others in higher regard than themselves.

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In Jesus' name, Amen.

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Amen.

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Thank you, Linda.

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I will officially call this meeting to order.

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Madam Clerk, could you please take the roll?

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Mayor Miller?

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Here.

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Alderpersons, Klemm?

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Here.

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Monroe?

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Here.

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Simmons?

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Here.

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Parker?

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Here.

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Stacy?

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Here.

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Settlers.

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Could you please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance led by Alderman Shadle.

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Item number one is the approval of the agenda, however, we will be removing item 16 and 17.

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Settlers.

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Item number 16, staff has reevaluated and not looking to move forward at this moment.

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And item number 17, staff is working through the language and we'll come back at a later

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date.

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Is there approval of the agenda?

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So move.

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Second.

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We have a motion made by Alderman Sellers, seconded by Alderman Shadle.

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All those in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Opposed.

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Okay.

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We have seven to one.

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number two is the approval of the minutes from the regular meeting on November 18th, 2024.

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Is there a motion to approve?

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Second.

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We have a motion made by Alderman Parker, second by Alderman Klemm.

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All those in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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That motion passes.

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Public comments.

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We have two signed in.

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Ashley Heilman.

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Ashley Heilman.

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I am here this evening to speak with no opposition to the changes presented this evening for

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Miller.

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As we are aware, there was a lot of discussion on this topic last round.

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My hope is that you all see that this increases the fines imposed on the owners and also puts

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a max on the per property per owner.

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Again, thanks to the city for allowing us to provide feedback and suggestions for the

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changes presented.

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My hope is going forward to continue to have open dialogue with this registry to help the

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city as well as the landlords.

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With open lines of communication, it can only make things better.

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Ask again is to please make sure that this is communicated with all maybe

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possibly even putting it in the newsletter that comes out in the water

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bills. Thank you. Thank you and Neely Erickson. Good evening Mayor Miller and

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thank you for allowing me this moment to address you and honorable council

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members. I am here today on behalf of the 1,300,000 members of the Northwest

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Illinois Alliance of Real Tours and we appreciate the city's ongoing efforts to

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and the opportunity to provide input throughout this process.

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The proposed changes aim to improve compliance

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and address problem properties, which is the goal we share.

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As we discussed back on November 18th,

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we have no opposition to this ordinance.

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The Ordinance Enhances Penalties are designed to focus

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on problem property owners and penalize their failure

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to comply.

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The fee structure is designed to maximize the penalty

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and

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Knapp.

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We are pleased to recognize that the

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property owners are not able to

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comply with the requirements because according to your

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ordinance, rental properties must be registered to be lawfully

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rented.

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An unaffordable fee structure could jeopardize tenants'

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and

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Mr.

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Miller.

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We have consistently brought forward recommendations to enhance the notification and communication process of the rental registration system.

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Effective outreach to property owners is critical in achieving compliance and we hope that the city will implement these suggestions to improve notification and to ensure the success of the program.

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We recognize the importance of the City's active enforcement to achieve compliance and

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appreciate steps like mailing notifications to suspected rental properties.

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However, again, consistent follow-up will be essential to bring non-compliant property

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owners into alignment.

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Realtors remain committed to collaborating with the City to ensure the ordinance's effectiveness

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in notifying our clients at the time that they are at the transaction at the table,

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for example, and to minimize unintended consequences for compliant housing providers and tenants

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alike.

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Thank you again for this opportunity to provide comments and for your dedication to addressing

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this important issue.

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We look forward to continuing to work together on initiatives that support our community's

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housing needs and economic vitality.

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Thank you.

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We can move on to item number four, which is the consent agenda.

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The consent agenda is considered to be routine in nature and acted as one motion unless there is a member of the council who would like to have something removed for further discussion.

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Seeing none, the consent agenda is approving to receive and place on file the CBDG sewer lining grant public hearing minutes from November 18th, 2024, the Greater Freeport Partnership Monthly Report, November 20th, 2024,

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the finance bills in the total of $5,142,653.42 and payroll for pay period ending November 16th,

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2024 in the total of $638,804.98. Is there a motion to approve? So moved. Second.

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We have a motion made by Alderman Shadle, seconded by Alderman Sellers. Madam Clerk,

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Please take the roll. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? Aye. Simmons? Aye. Parker? Aye. And Stacy? Aye. The motion passes eight to zero. Item number five is acknowledgement from the Fraternal Order of Police. Deputy Chief Davis. Thank you Madam Mayor. I'll turn it over to the FOP representatives, Corporal Truckenmiller and Detective Rosestein. Hey, good evening. I'm Devon Truckenmiller. I'm a Corporal, Freeport Police Department.

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The reason we're here today is to show our gratitude to the City Council, the Mayor,

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and the City Manager for the support and approval of our contract starting in January.

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The impact this contract will have is immense.

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All of your support of the PD has always been felt, but it's even more apparent now.

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Each of you reside in different areas of the city.

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We are sure you all view the community and the issues it faces differently.

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We hope that you see that officers with the Freeport Police Department take pride in the

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way we interact and deal with these issues in the city.

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We believe with the recent vote to pass this new contract, you all know and understand

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these difficulties officers face every day in the city of Freeport.

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The contract gives us faith that we will continue to perform our jobs at the highest level with

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integrity and professionalism.

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We recognize the City has committed to a substantial obligation to us and we plan to do everything

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it takes to ensure that it doesn't go unnoticed.

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We understand the positions that you all are in are not easy and should also be recognized

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for making the City of Freeport a great place.

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For this, we thank you all.

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and he's not here today, but we just also wanted to give thanks to Chief Shenberger.

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Since he's taken over a year and a half ago, morale at the PD has never been as high as

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it is right now.

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We are getting new officers to apply and this contract will definitely help to retain those

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new officers.

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As you all know, over the past few years, we've been directly affected by the political

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environment.

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It has been a battle every day to get the officers we need to effectively do our jobs

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and serve this community to the best of our abilities.

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We need good officers and we need them to stay.

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This contract and your support will keep people here no doubt, but this goes beyond that too.

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We can't forget Chief Shenberger's direct effect on this department.

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His ability to go above and beyond to create a family-friendly atmosphere.

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We have a family friendly atmosphere that people are proud to call home.

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We have officers that truly care about their fellow officers and care about this community.

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This is because of the leadership and the tone Chief Shenberger has set for this department.

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We think this also shows by the work this department has done for the community over

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the past year and a half.

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We are very happy this has not been unnoticed by you all.

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Thank you all for this contract and we will continue to provide the best services to this

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community.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you gentlemen. Item number six are appointments and reappointments. Could you please read these for the record?

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Appointment of Anthony Huffines to the Planning Commission effective immediately through October 31st, 2028.

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Acceptance of an appointment of Jabria Pearson as Deputy City Clerk.

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Acceptance of designations for Open Meetings Act officers including myself,

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Jabria Pearson, Deputy City Clerk, Ashley Huffines, Library Director, Kaia Eckert, Library Administrative Assistant.

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Acceptance of Designations of Freedom of Information Act Officers, including myself,

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Jabriah Pearson, Deputy City Clerk, Michelle Nelson, Executive Assistant, Denise Scudder,

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Fire Administrative Assistant, Hilary Broschus, Fire Marshal, Travis Davis, Deputy Chief of

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Police, JoLynn Markham, Lieutenant at the Police Department, Ashley Huffines, Library

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Director, and Kaia Eckert, Library Administrative Assistant.

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Thank you.

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Is there a motion to approve?

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So moved.

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So moved.

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We'll take that as the first by Alderman Parker, seconded by Alderman Sellers. Discussion? Madam Clerk, please take the roll.

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Is a voice vote okay when it's not monetary?

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Okay, all those in favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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No.

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Was there one no? I couldn't catch that. Okay, so seven to one. Item number seven is recognition of service awards. Director Richter?

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Today we are recognizing Gladys Hilton for her 25 years of service. She began her

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career with us in 1999 at the Freeport Public Library. She also has worked at

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the police department as a records clerk and in 2013 she made the move to the

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water and sewer billing department as a customer service representative. Gladys

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Gladys has exceptional dedication to providing outstanding customer service.

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Her consistent ability to go above and beyond coupled with her positive attitude and genuine

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empathy truly sets her apart.

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Gladys consistently resolves issues with patience and professionalism, leaving our customers

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feeling valued and heard.

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I would like to recognize Gladys' hard work and dedication today.

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She is a true team player.

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I am very appreciative of all of her work in the water sewer billing department.

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She is a pleasure to work with and always has an upbeat smile on her face and a happy

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greeting for you.

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Congratulations Gladys and thank you for being with us for 25 years.

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Congratulations.

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Manager Boyer.

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Thank you, your honor.

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Tonight we'd also like to acknowledge and celebrate Billy Neisman.

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He's been with the city for 15 years. He is actually home with an illness. However, we

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thank him for his service as our Animal Control Officer. He does a fantastic job. So thank

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you very much, Billy.

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Deputy Chief Davis.

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I would just recognize Doug Hill as well. And he's been with the department for 15 years

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and does an outstanding job.

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Thank you. And then Chief Miller.

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Yes, thank you Mayor Miller. I'd like to invite Chris Brennan up here. It's my pleasure to introduce firefighter paramedic Christopher Brennan.

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Christopher joined us December 12th, December 15th, 2014. He holds a bachelor's of science degree from Milwaukee School of Engineering.

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Also holds a certified paramedic license, several fire service certificates such as company fire officer, advanced firefighter technician, vehicle and machinery operations, fire service vehicle operator, and then several technical rescue classes.

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Those are comprised of structural collapse operations

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and technician, confined space rescue

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and operations technician, trench operations

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and rope operations and technician.

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Additionally, he also is a fire apparatus engineer

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and is a hazardous materials first responder

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and operations level, command and general staff class

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he's attended and is also our previous

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fire department mechanic.

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So I'd also like to add that he's currently going through our promotion testing process right now for the rank of lieutenant.

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He's here with his wife Michelle and their children this evening. So it's my pleasure to introduce and congratulate you for 10 years of service. Thank you.

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And he also understands he wanted to make a speech for tonight as well.

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Okay, we'll move on to item number eight which is the second reading of ordinance

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2024-62. Could you please read this? Ordinance revising registration deadline

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and increasing landlord registry penalty. Manager Boyer. Thank you your honor. I'm

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going to go ahead and hand this off to Director Duckman as he has revised the

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last or included all the last changes into this recent memo. Thank you

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Boyer.

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So as stated last in the last reading of this ordinance, important, couple key notes here

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to remember and to highlight.

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So for 2025, what's being proposed is a deadline of April 1st.

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And the reason for the April 1st deadline is we're making a change to the ordinance

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and we want to give people some time to understand the changes and give them a couple extra months

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there.

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Moving forward, it's going to be January 1st, coming from January 1st, starting in 2026 and moving forward.

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A couple of the highlights here in this ordinance is that prior to passing this ordinance, we had a deadline of June 1st,

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and we also had a late fee of $100 per unit, and we had a lengthy discussion at the last council meeting,

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and it was agreed upon to move forward the ordinance

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with the following penalties.

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So if an application's filed 30 days or less

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after the due date, it's $100 a unit

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with a $1,500 per property max, maximum.

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If the application's filed more than 30 days,

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but less than 90 days after the due date,

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it's $250 per unit with a $3,000 per property maximum.

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and then for applications filed 90 days or more after the due date it's five

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hundred dollars per unit with a six thousand dollar property maximum and

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with that being said staff is recommending approval of the ordinance

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thank you any further discussion all known Stacy did anything change from the

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first time nothing has changed on this since it was presented in the reading of

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Dugman.

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The first reading.

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Nothing has changed.

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Alderman Sanders.

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I'm sorry.

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A lot of S's over there.

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Director Duckman, anything in the wording changed as far as registration applications

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Appliance and Tenants Application Applying for Any Rental

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for any rental property or whatever, has any wording changed in the application that will allow the, because I'm trying to state that if there's any loopholes in this application that benefits the owner as opposed of the tenant, have we looked at that specifically to make sure that that doesn't happen?

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The ordinance has not changed since it was presented the last time, and this is for landlords to register their property, not for tenants.

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Okay.

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Is there anyone else before I move on to Alderman Monroe?

00:20:42.380 --> 00:20:47.380
Thank you Mayor Miller. Question for Director Duckman.

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To date we still have not enforced any of the laws or ordinances that have been on the books. What's different here?

00:20:57.380 --> 00:21:05.380
Well, I think in the specific ordinance itself, as it's written, there's not anything stating, hey, this is how we're going to enforce it better.

00:21:05.380 --> 00:21:14.380
But in the memo I talk about how we now implemented a new software where we've identified what properties are actually rentals.

00:21:44.380 --> 00:21:49.420
once an ordinance passes we're going to use this basically sending out a letter

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to people stating you have to register or you're subject to these fines and then

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that same software would then issue the fines to the people once they didn't if

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they didn't register their property. Anyone else for a first time? Is there any

00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:15.930
further discussion? Only with Stacy. Okay we keep saying that there's gonna be a

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The letter mailed out. Do we know when this letter is going to be mailed out and if it has already been written?

00:22:25.930 --> 00:22:35.930
Correct. Well, it's in its draft phase now and I spoke with my staff and I said once it's approved, our goal is to work on getting it out in the next two weeks.

00:22:35.930 --> 00:22:37.930
Once it's approved.

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Once it's approved the next two weeks?

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That's our goal.

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Huffines.

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Approved by your staff.

00:22:47.460 --> 00:22:52.700
No, I mean, when I send out the letter, it's going to state, here's the fines that you're

00:22:52.700 --> 00:22:56.980
subject to, and if I don't have the fines approved by council, I don't want to send

00:22:56.980 --> 00:22:57.980
that misinformation.

00:22:57.980 --> 00:22:58.980
Okay.

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So the letter will come back to the council?

00:23:00.579 --> 00:23:01.579
No.

00:23:01.579 --> 00:23:02.579
This, what's before-

00:23:02.579 --> 00:23:04.539
Aaron wants to talk.

00:23:04.539 --> 00:23:10.339
I think what Director Duckman is saying, if this ordinance is approved, then they hope

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to get the letter out within two weeks.

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Okay.

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If there's no further discussion, Madam Clerk, please take the roll.

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Shadle?

00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:23.279
Aye.

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Sanders?

00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:25.279
Aye.

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Sellers?

00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:27.279
Aye.

00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:28.279
Klemm?

00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:29.279
Aye.

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Monroe?

00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:31.279
Aye.

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Simmons?

00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:33.279
Aye.

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Parker?

00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:35.279
Aye.

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And Stacy?

00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:37.279
Aye.

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The ordinance passes 8-0.

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Move on to item number 9, which is the second reading of ordinance 2024-63.

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Could you please read this?

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year 2025 appropriation ordinance manager Boyer thank your honor we began the budgeting process

00:23:54.139 --> 00:23:59.980
september 3rd of 2024 we've gone through many public input sessions and many council committee

00:23:59.980 --> 00:24:06.860
or finance committee of the holes before you is the 2025 appropriation ordinance and staff recommend

00:24:06.860 --> 00:24:15.299
city council move forward and pass it ordinance thank you further discussion council and clerk

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I think I just want to point out the spending that's the increases in spending that have occurred over the last two and a half three years have been significant just flipping to the right page I apologize I thought more people would would speak the amount of money that that is being increased on is as most of us a lot of us

00:24:47.029 --> 00:24:51.470
Bates live within very, very tight budgets in the City of Freeport.

00:24:51.470 --> 00:24:55.110
So if you're on Social Security, you're low income.

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The budget is literally up $5.5 to $6 million.

00:25:01.110 --> 00:25:04.430
That's per year.

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We've been getting a lot of roads done.

00:25:06.430 --> 00:25:08.490
We've been getting a lot of work done.

00:25:08.490 --> 00:25:12.389
But what we're seeing are the increases in retirement, pensions.

00:25:12.389 --> 00:25:15.069
We're seeing huge increases in salaries.

00:25:15.069 --> 00:25:23.029
We recently went through a tax increase to help pay for improving our roads, and as we

00:25:23.029 --> 00:25:32.329
continue to increase in spend, there's no method within the city for curbing the spending

00:25:32.329 --> 00:25:38.589
and controlling the spending beyond what we try to do in here.

00:25:38.589 --> 00:25:43.349
In recent months, we've tried to limit people's ability to speak.

00:25:43.349 --> 00:25:49.230
We've tried to basically increase budgets across the board.

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The police department's up two and a half million dollars since 2022.

00:25:56.110 --> 00:25:57.910
Two and a half million dollars.

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We've added no, you know, no additional police officers.

00:26:02.670 --> 00:26:05.869
It's just the ones that we're putting on the streets are getting paid more.

00:26:05.869 --> 00:26:09.670
The fire department's next in line to get a fat pay raise.

00:26:09.670 --> 00:26:12.829
And that's going to come in 2025.

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Huffines.

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We were told there weren't going to be huge increases.

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We wouldn't need more tax dollars to pay for this.

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But unfortunately, we will.

00:26:22.509 --> 00:26:26.430
And it's going to come out of the citizens of Freeport's pockets.

00:26:26.430 --> 00:26:30.730
And unfortunately, it's going to get bigger and bigger every year.

00:26:30.730 --> 00:26:35.150
And we just ratified the police department and I'll be the first to admit, it's a very

00:26:35.150 --> 00:26:36.589
tough job.

00:26:36.589 --> 00:26:42.269
We need more officers on the street, not necessarily paying each of them 25% more within the next

00:26:42.269 --> 00:26:43.269
Fowler.

00:26:43.269 --> 00:26:47.069
We have to do things smarter.

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There are tools out there that can do license plate reading that we can post in different

00:26:52.230 --> 00:26:58.230
parts of the city, especially areas that leave the city so that we can track criminal activity,

00:26:58.230 --> 00:27:02.150
stolen cars and property, things like that, shooting suspects.

00:27:02.150 --> 00:27:06.549
None of that's been really looked at and it's not been added to the budget.

00:27:06.549 --> 00:27:14.549
Fowler, and the other two, and I'm going to talk about some of the things that we would replace a police officer in a sense and help us be better at looking into criminal activities.

00:27:14.549 --> 00:27:27.549
When it comes to this budget, it is so filled with pork and it's so filled with the ability to pay each person more money, it's almost revolting to somebody who lives in the city of Freeport.

00:27:27.549 --> 00:27:32.170
and a lot of my neighbors a lot of people that go to our neighborhood watch

00:27:32.170 --> 00:27:39.789
meetings have fixed incomes there's no more fat in their budgets and if you

00:27:39.789 --> 00:27:44.110
look at your property tax bills that came out we did we held our property tax

00:27:44.110 --> 00:27:49.349
flat the problem is though and what nobody wants to talk about are the

00:27:49.349 --> 00:27:53.910
values of our properties have gone up significantly and as we tear more homes

00:27:53.910 --> 00:27:55.910
and

00:27:57.009 --> 00:27:59.710
John, and we have less property for available housing in the

00:27:59.710 --> 00:28:03.710
city of Freeport, those values are going to continue to go up.

00:28:03.710 --> 00:28:07.809
And the taxes go up just based on the value of the appraisal

00:28:07.809 --> 00:28:13.110
of your property. So not only have we taxed that, but in this

00:28:13.110 --> 00:28:16.910
budget and in the last couple of weeks, we've started taxing

00:28:16.910 --> 00:28:20.809
everything you want to do to improve your property where we

00:28:20.809 --> 00:28:21.809
Fowler.

00:28:21.809 --> 00:28:30.849
This is a business that's based on taking as much money from each person as we are.

00:28:30.849 --> 00:28:36.929
It's based on providing services within our means to support the people of Freeport.

00:28:36.929 --> 00:28:38.730
And that's every person in the city of Freeport.

00:28:38.730 --> 00:28:42.849
It doesn't matter if you're poor, you're rich, you're white, you're black, anything

00:28:42.849 --> 00:28:43.849
in between.

00:28:43.849 --> 00:28:45.889
It's all of us.

00:28:45.889 --> 00:28:51.529
and at some point somebody's got to stand up and take a stand and say five million dollars

00:28:51.529 --> 00:28:56.250
in literally two and a half to three years about the length of term of this city manager's

00:28:56.250 --> 00:28:58.670
role.

00:28:58.670 --> 00:29:02.769
Since we've gone over to the city management form of government, we're up over ten million

00:29:02.769 --> 00:29:05.090
dollars a year.

00:29:05.090 --> 00:29:10.769
We have got to start looking at this spending and we've got to start holding people accountable

00:29:10.769 --> 00:29:15.650
and right now we are not doing that and I just found the numbers three years.

00:29:15.650 --> 00:29:16.650
Fowler.

00:29:16.650 --> 00:29:21.130
We are running a $5.179 million in spending.

00:29:21.130 --> 00:29:26.529
We are running a $2.5 million deficit, and this is right off of the handout that anybody

00:29:26.529 --> 00:29:31.409
can look at that's attached to the agenda for tonight over the last two years.

00:29:31.409 --> 00:29:36.610
So we're not only increasing our spending, we're decreasing and running and starting

00:29:36.610 --> 00:29:38.090
to run a deficit.

00:29:38.090 --> 00:29:43.849
So that means we will have to raise taxes, and I am vehemently opposed to that type of

00:29:43.849 --> 00:29:50.170
of government, this tax and spend behavior, it cannot be tolerated in this city because

00:29:50.170 --> 00:29:52.650
it is going to push everybody out of the city.

00:29:52.650 --> 00:29:54.490
We will have nobody left.

00:29:54.490 --> 00:29:55.970
No businesses want to stick around because

00:29:55.970 --> 00:30:18.200
We have to do something to limit this year, and that's why we want home rule.

00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:20.759
We don't have home rule to drive more revenue.

00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:23.660
We have home rule to take care of ourselves.

00:30:23.660 --> 00:30:25.059
and right now we're not doing that.

00:30:25.059 --> 00:30:27.200
And that's, it's an abomination

00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:28.700
that we're gonna look into that

00:30:28.700 --> 00:30:33.380
and look to pass this very, very fat-filled budget.

00:30:33.380 --> 00:30:36.849
I yield.

00:30:36.849 --> 00:30:37.990
Anyone else?

00:30:37.990 --> 00:30:39.589
Alderman Stacey.

00:30:39.589 --> 00:30:44.589
Yes, I just, I have some questions and concerns here.

00:30:46.309 --> 00:30:51.309
In 2024, 20,328.12 in real estate taxes.

00:30:51.309 --> 00:30:58.900
in real estate taxes. However, for 2025, we budgeted zero.

00:30:58.900 --> 00:31:11.220
Computer hardware, software, 101,750. That was a $40,000 increase. Why?

00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:20.980
Software, $304,040. That was $130,000. Why?

00:31:20.980 --> 00:31:27.819
We have a telephonic communication, 203,200.

00:31:27.819 --> 00:31:36.670
We have a communication department in the miscellaneous.

00:31:36.670 --> 00:31:41.630
We had salary, health insurance, life insurance.

00:31:41.630 --> 00:31:50.119
Who is paid in the miscellaneous portion?

00:31:50.119 --> 00:32:16.889
$75,000 increase for electrical streetlights. Is this just the downtown area that's costing

00:32:16.889 --> 00:32:37.079
us $75,000? What area does this cover? That's most of it.

00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:42.519
Director Richter, I saw you were taking a few notes. Did you want to respond on some

00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:49.750
of these things that were just brought up? Yes, I have a couple of questions to where

00:32:49.750 --> 00:32:58.950
Go ahead. I'm just kind of working backwards. The last one you had was street lights increase of

00:32:58.950 --> 00:33:05.269
seventy-five thousand. I do believe that is downtown. Those are the only street lights we

00:33:05.269 --> 00:33:13.190
pay for if I understand that right. And I believe Mike Mudge told us there would be an

00:33:13.190 --> 00:33:17.309
increase over the next year and that's where we came up with the seventy-five thousand.

00:33:17.309 --> 00:33:27.710
and the miss miscellaneous, the next one up, you said, can you give me a number to that

00:33:27.710 --> 00:33:29.750
or where you're looking?

00:33:29.750 --> 00:33:31.309
I looked last night.

00:33:31.309 --> 00:33:33.069
I'm sorry.

00:33:33.069 --> 00:33:37.549
Maybe it was 101, 163 towards the end of the general section.

00:33:37.549 --> 00:33:54.990
I'm guessing you're just looking in general section or 101, 162.

00:33:54.990 --> 00:33:56.150
I don't know.

00:33:56.150 --> 00:34:16.449
Are you saying that there's no salary and health insurance and life insurance in the

00:34:16.449 --> 00:34:20.670
miscellaneous columns?

00:34:20.670 --> 00:34:23.309
I'm not sure what you mean by miscellaneous.

00:34:23.309 --> 00:34:27.029
It just had MISC.

00:34:27.029 --> 00:34:28.029
There's an MIS.

00:34:28.029 --> 00:34:29.029
MIS.

00:34:29.029 --> 00:34:30.029
Okay.

00:34:30.029 --> 00:34:42.110
There is a section that's Department 101, 162, which it does say MIS, but MIS is IT.

00:34:42.110 --> 00:34:43.110
I'm sorry.

00:34:43.110 --> 00:34:45.750
It's Management Information Systems.

00:34:45.750 --> 00:34:53.389
It's Curt's Department, and it does say 162-MIS, so maybe that's the section.

00:34:53.389 --> 00:34:59.470
I think that could be if where most of these came from.

00:34:59.470 --> 00:35:09.130
and benefits in that area would be for Director Suttman and his deputy in that department.

00:35:09.130 --> 00:35:14.510
There's only two of them in that department, which would have wages and benefits.

00:35:14.510 --> 00:35:19.269
But you did mention hardware and software and telephone.

00:35:19.269 --> 00:35:29.429
And those amounts look like I think they all come, yeah, that one, hardware, software,

00:35:29.429 --> 00:35:37.630
Those are also in IT department, along with telephone.

00:35:37.630 --> 00:35:46.630
All of our telephone bills go through Curt, and so he has all of the telephone expenses

00:35:46.630 --> 00:35:51.150
for the general, all the departments of the general fund.

00:35:51.150 --> 00:35:54.429
And was your question is why the increases?

00:35:54.429 --> 00:35:55.429
Yes.

00:35:55.429 --> 00:36:09.110
I can I don't I don't know if if Kurt wants to respond but Kurt is very

00:36:09.110 --> 00:36:14.250
detailed with his budgets and keeps line item by line item of what software what

00:36:14.250 --> 00:36:20.989
hardware he needs to purchase and maybe I can ask him to elaborate a little bit

00:36:20.989 --> 00:36:44.199
more yeah so for the computer hardware a lot of the increases so for the

00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:48.039
Communications part, that's connectivity.

00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:50.079
So that's every telephone system in the city,

00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.659
every cell phone, every iPhone, tablet,

00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.840
emergency services, things like the elevator,

00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:00.340
telecommunication line, all that's in there.

00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:02.739
And it is going up every year.

00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:10.019
Hardware went up, is up a little bit because we added,

00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:12.639
tonight I'm presenting for a host server for the PD,

00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:14.920
because it's at the end of its use of life.

00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.960
Next year, the city's gonna have the same situation.

00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:23.690
So it's up a little bit along with some,

00:37:23.690 --> 00:37:25.250
actually I think hardware's not that up

00:37:25.250 --> 00:37:29.300
as much as from last year, I don't believe.

00:37:29.300 --> 00:37:31.800
And software, included in software

00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:34.159
is things like ShotSpotter for PD.

00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:35.880
So I think we're doubling that next year,

00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:37.320
so that's another 50,000.

00:37:38.279 --> 00:37:41.320
There's additional things in our financial software

00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:43.880
as well as software other departments have wanted

00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:45.440
and requested.

00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:55.720
and that's a large amount of the increase.

00:37:55.720 --> 00:37:58.880
The shots fired, can you tell me how much of an increase

00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:00.360
that has been?

00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.860
So the increase for this next budget year will be 50,000.

00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.639
There was 50,000 coming in this year

00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:09.820
and we're doubling that to 100.

00:38:10.720 --> 00:38:14.940
So we're adding 50,000 to it.

00:38:14.940 --> 00:38:17.739
But that's the one that detects shots fired

00:38:17.739 --> 00:38:21.539
so the police can respond quickly to, you know,

00:38:21.539 --> 00:38:22.380
provide safe neighborhoods.

00:38:22.380 --> 00:38:25.059
But I thought the 50,000 was the shots fired.

00:38:25.059 --> 00:38:30.380
it is we're doubling the coverage I believe so it's cost twice as much for

00:38:30.380 --> 00:38:42.329
twice as much equipment. Alderman Sanders. Yes are these items well particularly for

00:38:42.329 --> 00:38:52.809
your department are they are they line items receipts or any other department

00:38:52.809 --> 00:39:02.210
that has a budget, are they line items that we can tangibly, visibly see them?

00:39:02.210 --> 00:39:08.489
I mean, my worksheet here that has everything we're going to buy for next year, there are

00:39:08.489 --> 00:39:11.929
things that are for other departments, we provide those to other departments.

00:39:11.929 --> 00:39:14.529
Can we have copies of that?

00:39:14.529 --> 00:39:22.389
Because it demonstrates to us exactly what are the purchasing items, what are the receipts

00:39:22.389 --> 00:39:23.389
Huffines.

00:39:23.389 --> 00:39:32.070
And that we can assess why things are increasing and decreasing or whatever the case is.

00:39:32.070 --> 00:39:38.710
I like that to come from the financial department to be able to gather all departments with

00:39:38.710 --> 00:39:43.550
the same opportunity of presenting their line item budgets.

00:39:43.550 --> 00:39:53.750
and if we can do that, then we can minimize the information that we're trying to seek after.

00:39:53.750 --> 00:39:57.000
that we're trying to seek after, and we do that.

00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:00.320
Yeah, they've actually been given to every council member

00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:01.880
since the beginning of September.

00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:03.400
We've been talking about all these pieces.

00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:06.480
We're not talking about lying items, though.

00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:08.079
So for three months you've had that ability.

00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:09.480
We're not talking about lying,

00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:11.840
those are not lying out of items.

00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:13.960
They're not specific.

00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:15.760
Yeah, the book would be a lot bigger

00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.159
than what you're demonstrating.

00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:18.000
Pre-specific.

00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:23.000
Yeah, well it's not to my specifications at this moment

00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:25.280
and that's what I wanna look at.

00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:29.880
The line items of cost per item,

00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:32.780
that's what I'm referring to,

00:40:32.780 --> 00:40:35.019
not what you're demonstrating right there.

00:40:35.019 --> 00:40:37.239
So is that a possibility?

00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:41.360
Do we have that generated where each council member

00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:46.630
can receive those kinds of inquiries?

00:40:46.630 --> 00:40:51.630
I'm talking to Ms. Richter or whatever your name is.

00:40:56.260 --> 00:40:58.739
I have given you the line item budgets

00:41:01.219 --> 00:41:02.940
as have been presented.

00:41:02.940 --> 00:41:07.940
I mean, there's some, not all line items go into detail.

00:41:10.820 --> 00:41:13.500
Are you summarizing the line items

00:41:13.500 --> 00:41:16.179
that you're demonstrating when you say you present them?

00:41:16.179 --> 00:41:20.699
are you demonstrating summaries of those line items?

00:41:20.699 --> 00:41:25.699
I want the line items in detail, if that's possible,

00:41:28.500 --> 00:41:32.840
but what we're receiving is line items of summaries

00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:37.099
and it doesn't give us a visual look at what's costing

00:41:37.099 --> 00:41:39.659
or being what's the cost of any items

00:41:39.659 --> 00:41:42.139
that we're looking at, specifically.

00:41:42.139 --> 00:41:44.739
I wanna know what this hardware software

00:41:44.739 --> 00:41:45.739
Miller.

00:41:45.739 --> 00:41:49.739
I'm going to talk a little bit about some of the things that we're trying to get at, you

00:41:49.739 --> 00:41:50.739
know.

00:41:50.739 --> 00:41:53.739
I'm trying to figure out what are the things that we're trying to get at, you know.

00:41:53.739 --> 00:41:58.739
Are they the only ones out there on the market that are selling certain particular items?

00:41:58.739 --> 00:42:05.739
That's what I would like to know, the detailed information of these companies that we're

00:42:05.739 --> 00:42:12.739
soliciting, that we are asking for their services.

00:42:12.739 --> 00:42:13.739
Fowler.

00:42:13.739 --> 00:42:14.739
That's what I'm trying to get at.

00:42:14.739 --> 00:42:19.820
I'm trying to be more specific in detail.

00:42:19.820 --> 00:42:24.219
What we're being presented is not that, okay?

00:42:24.219 --> 00:42:31.260
And I'd like to know if all departments are under that same type of umbrella summaries

00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:37.659
of line items, if that's what we're working with, then we need to have more disclosure

00:42:37.659 --> 00:42:40.900
on all of those things that we're making purchases on.

00:42:40.900 --> 00:42:44.780
Attorney Zito.

00:42:44.780 --> 00:42:52.860
And so I'm going to take a crack at trying to answer that or address that.

00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:57.699
And if I misspeak, Michelle or Rob, feel free to interject.

00:42:57.699 --> 00:43:01.260
So this is the budget, right?

00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:05.940
So this is what you guys are, as a council, are considering setting as how much do we

00:43:05.940 --> 00:43:14.699
have to spend on various items, whether they're computers or uniforms or copy paper or whatever,

00:43:14.699 --> 00:43:28.780
Right. And it's an estimate. It's an estimate based off of what we have historically spent on those sorts of items there. And what we anticipate might need to be, let's say, an increase in any particular item, let's say, there.

00:43:28.780 --> 00:43:42.139
I don't, so while you might say, you know, with your home budget, right, I, you know, you may know that you might need a new furnace coming up. And you say, well, I'm going to budget, you know, I've done a little bit of research, looked around at Home Depot, whatever.

00:43:42.139 --> 00:44:12.139
Furness might cost me $3,000. So I'm going to budget $3,000 for next year. But you haven't gone and actually bought it yet. You haven't picked, you know, is it going to be a carrier? Is it going to be a Honeywell? Is it going to be whatever? You know, might I find the sale? But you know, it's going to be about $3,000. So you're budgeting $3,000. So I think that's what they've done here. For example, using Kurt's department, they know they need a certain amount of software to do this program, that thing, whatever it is, they know they might need a computer server for the police department. Do they know the exact

00:44:12.139 --> 00:44:14.139
and

00:44:16.139 --> 00:44:18.139
John.

00:44:19.460 --> 00:44:21.460
They're just anticipating that they're going to need to spend

00:44:23.279 --> 00:44:25.279
next year, throughout the course of the year, on these various

00:44:26.380 --> 00:44:28.380
items, and that goes for the police department, whether it's

00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:31.480
for weapons or uniforms or whatever it is.

00:44:32.579 --> 00:44:34.579
Fire department, same thing there.

00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:37.679
So I don't know if they can give you a line item of every single

00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:40.800
vendor, because they don't know every vendor as of right now, I

00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:41.800
Huffines.

00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:42.800
That's all.

00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:43.800
Attorney Zito.

00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:48.960
Well, actually, before you speak a second time, is there anyone on the first round?

00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:55.440
Well, I was still on my first time with this gentleman before something else took off.

00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:59.119
Well, then Larry took the floor then.

00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:07.079
I was responding to Attorney Zito because I originally had the question.

00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:08.079
I understand.

00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:09.079
Okay.

00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:10.119
before I give you the floor.

00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:11.480
Can I just see if there's anyone else

00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:13.320
that wants to speak for a first time?

00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:16.679
Okay, Alderman Stacey, go ahead.

00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:19.880
I understand that we increased the area.

00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:22.800
I understand that.

00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.139
When it's presented to the council,

00:45:25.139 --> 00:45:28.480
it says how much it's gonna cost for us to increase.

00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.039
Then out of nowhere, when it comes this time

00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:35.960
with the budget, there's a $50,000 increase

00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:38.199
that should have been stated all along

00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:41.679
with the whole nine yards of,

00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:43.940
we're gonna take on more area,

00:45:43.940 --> 00:45:46.400
it's gonna cost this monthly,

00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:48.239
but in the long run,

00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:52.739
we're gonna have to budget $50,000 more to cover it.

00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:57.320
It was always in the budget for the 2025.

00:45:59.260 --> 00:46:01.440
We didn't break out that part of it,

00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:05.199
but I've got 20 items like that for every department.

00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:41.949
I understand that. Madam Clerk, did you want to add to that? Madam Clerk? I believe that was approved by Council, wasn't it? Yes. Yeah, the expansion of the area. That went through Council. So we're just supposed to know that it's going to be also an additional $50,000 added to... That was all presented at the time it was agreed upon. Darren?

00:46:41.949 --> 00:46:46.949
clarification just I mean just because it's in the budget doesn't mean it

00:46:46.949 --> 00:46:50.949
still won't come back in front of council this is not this is an approval

00:46:50.949 --> 00:46:54.349
of the budget not approval of the spending so the final spending will come

00:46:54.349 --> 00:46:59.070
back to council so if it's approved in the budget then in the fiscal year the

00:46:59.070 --> 00:47:03.789
police and or Kurt and or public works or whatever whatever department will will

00:47:03.789 --> 00:47:08.389
go out and get quotes and then that comes back in the form of a ordinance or

00:47:08.389 --> 00:47:11.909
resolution or whatever it may be to approve that spending and that's your

00:47:11.909 --> 00:47:22.909
How many times do we budget for something, and it's approved, and then we don't even get it, like the dump trucks?

00:47:41.909 --> 00:47:44.730
just to let you know the price is way harder.

00:47:44.730 --> 00:47:47.309
Right now we can't even get a double-crook

00:47:47.309 --> 00:47:48.429
unless we go through a state bid.

00:47:48.429 --> 00:47:51.869
So we've been locked out of getting trucks for two years.

00:47:51.869 --> 00:47:55.190
And the prices are significantly higher right now

00:47:55.190 --> 00:47:56.829
because of the shortage of demand.

00:47:56.829 --> 00:47:58.190
So if we ordered a truck right now,

00:47:58.190 --> 00:47:59.449
it'd be just like the fire truck.

00:47:59.449 --> 00:48:01.949
We probably wouldn't get it for three years.

00:48:03.550 --> 00:48:08.579
But now we don't even have the budget for it?

00:48:08.579 --> 00:48:12.480
Priorities change as all these budget items go.

00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:41.119
We asked that that money be put on the vape truck, the VAC truck, and I don't even recall that being brought back to us with how it was going to be done. It was just done.

00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:47.639
because I said I recall it's getting off topic but you asked for a down payment on

00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:51.380
the Vactor truck and council voted not to do that and to move ahead with the

00:48:51.380 --> 00:48:56.400
financing and that's what we're supposed to get money back from the bank about we

00:48:56.400 --> 00:49:07.510
did the the bank the the lending company paid for the Vactor truck all right okay

00:49:07.510 --> 00:49:10.250
Alderman Clem I think I saw your hand up did you have something you wanted to

00:49:10.250 --> 00:49:13.250
Anderson.

00:49:13.250 --> 00:49:15.570
Maybe a little bit here.

00:49:15.570 --> 00:49:18.809
We had a dissertation about how we're spending so much money.

00:49:18.809 --> 00:49:24.329
I'd just like to bring up a couple things where there's some part truce in that.

00:49:24.329 --> 00:49:30.570
The numbers of officers have increased over the years here without a doubt.

00:49:30.570 --> 00:49:37.610
And if I remember right, you were on the council and authorized a $20 million loan for retirement.

00:49:37.610 --> 00:49:43.010
in mind a million years ago and I went on to consult regular taxes paid for

00:49:43.010 --> 00:49:47.889
retirements. Now we pay four point something million dollars a year. I used

00:49:47.889 --> 00:49:53.970
to lay awake at nights and think about this how we're ever going to pay for it.

00:49:53.970 --> 00:49:54.000
How are we going to do this?

00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:55.000
How are we going to do that?

00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:56.000
Let me tell you something, friends.

00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:59.039
I hate to say it, but we can do nothing about it.

00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:03.320
It's all determined by the state of Illinois and by the retirements that have been set

00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:08.559
up and every year, every one of those retirements get a 3% raise.

00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:13.039
So that's something that we can talk about and say, oh, we didn't do this or didn't

00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:16.519
do that, but there's nothing we can do about those.

00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:22.679
We've gone into areas where we've tried a two-tier system of starting people off on

00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:27.480
different wages and different retirements, and that's gone so far, but there's been

00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:31.000
conversations in the state about taking that away.

00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:33.539
So we don't have control over this item.

00:50:33.539 --> 00:50:38.880
The last thing I was going to say is the shots fired thing was discussed, went through council,

00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:39.880
and doubled the price on it.

00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:40.880
It was pretty simple.

00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:46.440
You know, it was straightforward, brought to us, so thank you.

00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:54.880
To verify your numbers, Alderman Klemm, as far as officers, we have approval for 48 officers,

00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:59.760
which we will hopefully by the end of this month, we will reach that number 48.

00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:02.239
There are three currently in field training right now.

00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:05.980
There are four that are going to be graduating from the academy soon, and hopefully the other

00:51:05.980 --> 00:51:07.920
four will be swearing in yet this month.

00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:08.920
Correct?

00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:09.920
Correct.

00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:14.900
Which will bring us back up to the 49 that we had when I left the consul four years ago.

00:51:14.900 --> 00:51:18.820
and that's a total of 11 just in the last few months.

00:51:18.820 --> 00:51:29.969
So any other one for their first time yet?

00:51:29.969 --> 00:51:33.849
And if anyone would like their second time, Alderman Stacey, I know you've already had

00:51:33.849 --> 00:51:34.849
your second.

00:51:34.849 --> 00:51:42.349
I'd have to have approval in order for you to keep going.

00:51:42.349 --> 00:51:43.349
Alderman Sanders?

00:51:43.349 --> 00:51:46.579
I approve.

00:51:46.579 --> 00:51:47.579
Are you making a motion?

00:51:47.579 --> 00:51:48.579
No.

00:51:48.579 --> 00:51:49.579
I said, yeah.

00:51:49.579 --> 00:51:51.539
Well, yeah, I approve.

00:51:51.539 --> 00:51:57.300
So you're approving that Alderman Stacey can continue discussion past her two time.

00:51:57.300 --> 00:52:00.440
Is there a second to that?

00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.360
We have a first and a second.

00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:07.920
How do I?

00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:09.519
Yes, it's a unanimous vote.

00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:13.159
By ordinance, it's a unanimous vote.

00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.159
Madam Clerk, could you please take the role

00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.480
on allowing a third time for speaking?

00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:22.070
Shadle?

00:52:22.070 --> 00:52:22.949
Sanders?

00:52:22.949 --> 00:52:23.469
Yes.

00:52:23.469 --> 00:52:24.789
Sellers?

00:52:24.789 --> 00:52:25.590
Yes.

00:52:25.590 --> 00:52:26.190
Klemm?

00:52:26.190 --> 00:52:27.469
Yes.

00:52:27.469 --> 00:52:28.150
Monroe?

00:52:28.150 --> 00:52:28.989
Yes.

00:52:28.989 --> 00:52:30.349
Simmons?

00:52:30.349 --> 00:52:31.030
Parker?

00:52:31.030 --> 00:52:32.030
No.

00:52:32.030 --> 00:52:33.349
And Stacy?

00:52:33.349 --> 00:52:34.389
Yes.

00:52:34.389 --> 00:52:41.190
motion fails all right then if there's anyone else wishing to speak for the

00:52:41.190 --> 00:52:49.659
first or second time motion felt by one no the ordinance states a unanimous that's

00:52:49.659 --> 00:52:55.019
one of the topics I want to change in case you were wondering so anyway is

00:52:55.019 --> 00:53:02.230
there anything further madam clerk please take the role here here actually

00:53:02.230 --> 00:53:12.190
you've spoken twice already to who you I'm sorry mayor ready for the vote no

00:53:12.190 --> 00:53:19.670
I'm trying to recollect when I spoke twice already. Do you want to speak

00:53:19.670 --> 00:53:25.989
again? Well, I had a question in regards... Correct. Okay, I'll motion for you to go

00:53:25.989 --> 00:53:29.710
ahead and ask your question. This is about a budget. We should be able to ask

00:53:29.710 --> 00:53:35.789
the questions we need to ask. I'll make that motion. Okay. Is there a second? I'll

00:53:35.789 --> 00:53:36.789
O'Connor.

00:53:36.789 --> 00:53:37.789
Second.

00:53:37.789 --> 00:53:38.789
Okay.

00:53:38.789 --> 00:53:40.789
Did we go around the table again?

00:53:40.789 --> 00:53:42.829
To approve your third time.

00:53:42.829 --> 00:53:43.829
Madam Clerk.

00:53:43.829 --> 00:53:44.829
No, second time.

00:53:44.829 --> 00:53:47.230
I have not had a third time.

00:53:47.230 --> 00:53:48.590
I don't get it.

00:53:48.590 --> 00:53:50.469
Prove to me that I did that.

00:53:50.469 --> 00:53:51.469
Show me where.

00:53:51.469 --> 00:53:52.929
I just make tally marks.

00:53:52.929 --> 00:53:55.190
If I'm wrong, then I apologize.

00:53:55.190 --> 00:53:56.829
I've got you written down twice that you've spoken.

00:53:56.829 --> 00:54:00.510
Well, you shouldn't have because I was on the computer thing.

00:54:00.510 --> 00:54:01.510
Okay.

00:54:01.510 --> 00:54:04.070
Madam Clerk, could you please take the roll on allowing...

00:54:04.070 --> 00:54:07.349
I'm just trying to follow the ordinance, Alderman Sanders.

00:54:07.349 --> 00:54:11.389
An ordinance we haven't followed ever for a decade.

00:54:11.389 --> 00:54:12.789
Actually, you don't have the floor, so.

00:54:12.789 --> 00:54:13.710
Shadle.

00:54:13.710 --> 00:54:18.440
But it's the truth.

00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:19.360
Sanders.

00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:20.320
Aye.

00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:22.519
This is a vote on Sanders having the third time

00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:27.559
to speak on a topic.

00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:28.000
On what?

00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:28.960
Sellers.

00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:29.960
Oh, aye.

00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:30.960
I don't know what topic.

00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:31.480
Klemm.

00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:32.559
Aye.

00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:33.320
Monroe.

00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:33.920
Aye.

00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:34.760
Simmons.

00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:35.400
Aye.

00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:36.119
Parker.

00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:36.960
No.

00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:37.760
Stacy.

00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.519
Irreverent.

00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:41.480
Excuse me?

00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:43.119
It's already failed.

00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:44.279
That's what she said.

00:54:44.279 --> 00:54:45.320
It's irreverent.

00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:46.920
He said no, it failed.

00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:49.760
So you abstain?

00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:51.599
Aye.

00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:57.900
Motion fails, 7 to 1.

00:54:57.900 --> 00:55:02.500
Any further discussion?

00:55:02.500 --> 00:55:06.340
Well, you can't say nothing.

00:55:06.340 --> 00:55:08.820
Say further discussion?

00:55:08.820 --> 00:55:13.679
Further discussion by those that have not spoken already.

00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:17.720
If you can't ask any questions, just vote no.

00:55:17.720 --> 00:55:20.279
Madam Clerk, would you please take the roll?

00:55:20.279 --> 00:55:21.079
Shadle?

00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:21.960
Aye.

00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:23.079
Sanders?

00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:24.000
No.

00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:24.760
Sellers?

00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:25.519
Aye.

00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:26.079
Klemm?

00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:26.800
Aye.

00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:27.519
Monroe?

00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:28.199
No.

00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:28.800
Simmons?

00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:29.720
No.

00:55:29.720 --> 00:55:30.440
Parker?

00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:31.159
Aye.

00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:31.800
Stacy?

00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:32.960
No.

00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:35.480
We are tied 4 to 4.

00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:39.880
Attorney Zito, what do we need?

00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:42.599
What percentage do we need on this?

00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:49.279
just simple majority mayor what say you I the motion passes actually the ordinance

00:55:49.279 --> 00:55:56.880
passes five to four of course it does this is a joke well actually if you're

00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:59.720
going to say this is a joke then I'm going to interject with that that we've

00:55:59.720 --> 00:56:05.320
been talking about this since for three months and this is the second reading

00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:09.880
remember that one no that's not what item number ten is the second reading of

00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:17.960
Ordinance 2024-64. Could you please read this? Tax levy ordinance. Manager Boyer. Thank you,

00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:23.159
Your Honor. Annually, the City Council adopts a corporate levy to help finance city operations.

00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:29.960
We have received the estimated assessed value, EAV, from the county. The EAV for our tax district

00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:39.559
has increased by $15,102,367 or 5.61 percent over the last year. Based on this

00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:46.880
information the city's levy for 2024 at I'm sorry would be two million nine

00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:50.360
hundred seventy seven thousand four hundred dollars an increase of one

00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:55.880
hundred and forty four hundred dollars a house valued at a hundred dollars would

00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:59.920
see no increase in the city's portion of their property tax as long as their

00:56:59.920 --> 00:57:03.139
assessed value has not increased and during the last five years the City

00:57:03.139 --> 00:57:07.820
Council has kept tax rate the same or slightly lower city staff request City

00:57:07.820 --> 00:57:12.420
Council to move this ordinance or approve this ordinance. Madam Mayor. Thank you.

00:57:12.420 --> 00:57:16.699
Can we get the correct numbers right into the record please? Where was it wrong?

00:57:16.699 --> 00:57:21.260
Did I say something wrong? No, city manager did. The amounts are one hundred

00:57:21.260 --> 00:57:25.539
and forty thousand four hundred dollars and one hundred thousand dollars. Not a

00:57:25.539 --> 00:57:33.699
hundred and not a hundred and forty four. Have you got that? Are you okay with that

00:57:33.699 --> 00:57:46.460
Madam Clerk? I have it in the memo. Discussion on the on the tax levy ordinance. Madam Clerk,

00:57:46.460 --> 00:57:55.579
please take the roll. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? No. Simmons? No. Parker?

00:57:55.579 --> 00:58:05.779
Aye. Stacy? No. I have a vote of five to three. Is that sufficient, Attorney Zito? And that ordinance

00:58:05.779 --> 00:58:11.420
Passes. Item number 11 is the second reading of ordinance 2024-81. Could you

00:58:11.420 --> 00:58:16.619
please read this? Library tax levy ordinance. Manager Boyer? I think, Your Honor, very

00:58:16.619 --> 00:58:22.300
similar to city's levy. The City Council adopts separate levy for library

00:58:22.300 --> 00:58:26.300
operations each year. The Council also tries to maintain the same tax rate year

00:58:26.300 --> 00:58:31.460
after year. We have received the estimated 2024 equalized assessed value

00:58:31.460 --> 00:58:40.659
from the county. The AV has increased by $15,102,367 over the last year. Based on this information,

00:58:40.659 --> 00:58:49.220
the library's levy for 2024 paid in 2025 will be $1,062,000. The library will see an overall

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increase of $50,500 in their levy. The library reduced their request for Medicare liability,

00:58:55.460 --> 00:59:01.220
insurance, unemployment, Illinois municipal retirement fund last year in order to spend

00:59:01.220 --> 00:59:06.900
down prior reserves in this area. At this time, we informed council that these rates would need

00:59:06.900 --> 00:59:11.699
to increase when the funds were exhausted. This year, we need to increase those levels to cover

00:59:11.699 --> 00:59:17.460
the actual expenses for 2025 and a house value that $100,000 would see a slight increase in the

00:59:17.460 --> 00:59:23.619
library portion of the tax bill. I'm sorry, a slight decrease. I apologize. Thank you for staying

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Corrected, staff request, City Council, move this ordinance forward and approve

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this levy ordinance. Discussion, Council. Madam Clerk, please take the roll. Shadle.

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Aye. Sanders. Aye. Sellers. Aye. Klemm. Aye. Monroe. Aye. Simmons. Parker. Aye.

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Parker? Aye. And Stacy? Aye. The ordinance passes 8 to 0. And item number 12, Madam Clerk,

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could you please read all of those ordinances? We have a motion to abate all real estate tax levies

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for repayment of general obligation bonds as follows. Ordinance 2024-65 to abate the 2024

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real estate tax levy for the repayment of the general obligation bonds series 2013A. Ordinance

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and

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Mr.

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Boyer,

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Mr.

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Boyer,

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Mr.

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Boyer,

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Mr.

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Boyer,

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Mr.

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to pay for and city staff recommends moving forward with 2024-65 bond abatements.

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Discussion.

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Madam Clerk, please take the roll.

01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:06.820
Shadle.

01:02:06.820 --> 01:02:07.820
Aye.

01:02:07.820 --> 01:02:08.820
Sanders.

01:02:08.820 --> 01:02:09.820
Aye.

01:02:09.820 --> 01:02:10.820
Sellers.

01:02:10.820 --> 01:02:11.820
Aye.

01:02:11.820 --> 01:02:12.820
Klemm.

01:02:12.820 --> 01:02:13.820
Aye.

01:02:13.820 --> 01:02:14.820
Monroe.

01:02:14.820 --> 01:02:15.820
Aye.

01:02:15.820 --> 01:02:16.820
Simmons.

01:02:16.820 --> 01:02:17.820
Aye.

01:02:17.820 --> 01:02:18.820
Parker.

01:02:18.820 --> 01:02:19.820
Aye.

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And Stacy.

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Aye.

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Item number 13 is the second reading of Ordinance 2024-77. Could you please read this?

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Ordinance of the City of Freeport approving and authorizing a vehicle lease agreement with the Stevenson County Senior Center doing business as the Senior Resource Center.

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Director Duckman.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor. Do a little recap here from the first reading. Nothing has changed from the proposed ordinance here.

01:02:49.820 --> 01:02:54.500
What's going on here is that the Senior Resource Center is our operator for the

01:02:54.500 --> 01:02:59.900
Pretzel City Area Transit and they currently have a bus which is a 2016 E

01:02:59.900 --> 01:03:08.739
350 that's a 12 passenger van and they or the lease here basically takes it

01:03:08.739 --> 01:03:12.699
from another program that they have and moves it into our Pretzel City Area

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Transit so another way to put it simply it's adding another bus to our fleet

01:03:18.219 --> 01:03:19.219
and others.

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I'm going to start by talking about the

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grant that we have.

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The grant is a one-year grant.

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It is a one-year grant for the

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state, which would go from 16 to 17.

01:03:24.219 --> 01:03:29.860
And the lease, the term of the lease is annual and it also is for $1 per year.

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And it's in line with redoing our two grants, which is the Downstate Operating Assistance

01:03:35.300 --> 01:03:42.719
Program and the Federal 5311 Grant, which funds all of the maintenance and service.

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And staff recommends approval of this ordinance.

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Discussion? Madam Clerk, please take the roll. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? Aye. Simmons? Aye. Parker? Aye. And Stacy? Aye. The ordinance passes 8 to 0. Item number 14 is the second reading of ordinance 2024-78. Could you please read this? Ordinance approving special use permit application at 1161 West Lincoln Boulevard submitted by LGC

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C. Y. or legacy installation services to examine the special use of an R41 family residence

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zone property to allow for solar energy systems which utilize ground-mounted PV arrays per

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section 1250-01-B20.

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Thank you Madam Mayor.

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Take a little time here to kind of go through this.

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And I also have it up on the projector.

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So if I need to, yeah, we're going to dim the lights, but if there's any questions on

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the actual location of this solar array, I want to go over a couple things here.

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The reason we have a special use permit for this particular property is it's a residential

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property as you can see from the map, and any time you have a residential property,

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if you see the blue rectangle in the backyard, rear yard of the property, any time you're

01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:17.279
going to do ground mounted solar in a residential area, you have to have a special use permit,

01:05:17.279 --> 01:05:26.279
which essentially means it goes through our Zoning Board of Appeals, then our Planning Commission, and then our, ultimately for your vote.

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So, kind of do a little recap here of what was read in our first reading.

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We had a ZBA hearing on November 7th, and that was recommended for approval by a vote of five to zero with zero abstentions.

01:05:43.279 --> 01:05:48.800
I'm sorry it was five to zero and one abstention and then we also had a planning commission

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it was reviewed at the planning commission and it was not recommended for approval and that was the

01:05:54.559 --> 01:06:02.079
vote there was three yeas four nays and zero abstentions and so with that in mind one of the

01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:08.480
key factors that was discussed last at the last reading but also at the planning commission who

01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:09.480
Huffines.

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So that was the main contention in this, in presenting this special use permit.

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I also will say that at the hearing in the Zoning Board of Appeals, there were no complaints

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or negative statements from neighbors regarding this.

01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:51.279
So that's the facts that have been presented and now it's before you for decision.

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Discussion?

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Alderman Sanders?

01:07:01.250 --> 01:07:09.010
Director Duckman, the Planning Commission voted it down to be gently about it.

01:07:09.010 --> 01:07:10.730
Am I correct?

01:07:10.730 --> 01:07:13.090
Yes, they did not.

01:07:13.090 --> 01:07:13.690
They voted.

01:07:13.690 --> 01:07:16.529
I guess that's one way to put it, yes.

01:07:16.529 --> 01:07:24.250
What was the discretionary reason why they felt that it was not

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a good move because of the fact that it raised

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question within the neighborhood?

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I think the Planning Commission looks at the special uses

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in light of our comprehensive plan, which

01:07:37.889 --> 01:07:41.690
Ducks, about how does the city view development moving forward

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in the future.

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And one of the main ideas there was,

01:07:45.489 --> 01:07:47.250
it's a residential property.

01:07:47.250 --> 01:07:48.610
They know where it's located.

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And there was some strong conversation

01:07:51.849 --> 01:07:55.250
about property rights, essentially,

01:07:55.250 --> 01:07:58.250
versus how does this affect the overall development

01:07:58.250 --> 01:07:59.769
in our residential neighborhoods.

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And another way to look at it is,

01:08:00.970 --> 01:08:02.929
how does this affect my neighbor's property values,

01:08:02.929 --> 01:08:04.929
the enjoyment of their property, et cetera.

01:08:04.929 --> 01:08:06.429
So there was good conversation there.

01:08:06.429 --> 01:08:13.429
and that's ultimately, you know, that's how it was, I would say, there's other factors, but I would say that was a big dividing point on it.

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Does it also include interferences within the community area, structures and homes and residents and things of that nature? Does that create some kind of interference?

01:08:28.430 --> 01:08:35.430
I wouldn't say interference. I think it's more enjoyment by the immediate neighbors. I mean, if you look up there, you can see it's in the backyard,

01:08:35.430 --> 01:08:39.430
Rear yard so I wouldn't say interference but I think it's more of you know if

01:08:39.430 --> 01:08:42.430
you're a next-door neighbor here it's more of the enjoyment of your property

01:08:42.430 --> 01:08:46.069
and how does that really affect our development how do it how does the city

01:08:46.069 --> 01:08:53.069
want its development to look so the overall disagreement within the commit

01:08:53.069 --> 01:08:59.130
the Planning Commission was based on what specifically well put it simply one

01:08:59.130 --> 01:09:03.409
person says I think a neighbor has a right to put that in their yard that's

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Wright to reap the benefits of the sun, the solar energy.

01:09:37.690 --> 01:09:42.210
Now, that being said, is that a true statement?

01:09:42.210 --> 01:09:45.569
Is that an ordinance where a property owner can obstruct

01:09:45.569 --> 01:09:47.489
or cause interference or?

01:09:47.489 --> 01:09:48.000
and

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I'm going to get to the next item.

01:09:56.979 --> 01:09:58.979
I think that some of the things that are

01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:02.520
caused interference or inappropriate things that can be

01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:06.039
obtrusive to the neighbors and so on and so on are a nuisance, I

01:10:07.060 --> 01:10:09.060
would say, becoming a nuisance to the neighbors.

01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:12.359
I mean, you are the truth, Alderperson Sanders, here.

01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:15.560
You're the final word.

01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:19.000
Planned Commission had their opinion and now this is your decision.

01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:20.000
Right, true.

01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:21.000
True.

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Okay.

01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:23.000
Thank you.

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Alderman Sellers.

01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:25.000
Yes.

01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:26.000
I'd like to know.

01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:32.800
I know that when we had talked about the people putting the solars out there in the arcades

01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:37.439
back then and the people were saying, is there a possibility that there could be maybe like

01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:42.359
some fencing that's around it just in case?

01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:48.760
We could potentially propose that it would have to be a condition proposed on the floor

01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:50.680
and then voted upon by the council members.

01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:56.079
So it would be saying, you know, I propose a condition that we would put some sort of

01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:59.840
screening around other than it's existing.

01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:03.720
I mean, you can potentially propose that and have it voted on.

01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:05.359
That's allowed in the ordinance.

01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:06.359
Okay.

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Coleman, Klemm?

01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:09.039
Yeah.

01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:10.039
DeRionne.

01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:13.920
Director Duckman, didn't we talk about this, or you mentioned it, that this is 10 feet

01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:14.920
off the ground?

01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:17.399
Is this the one that's 10 feet off the ground?

01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:18.399
Yes.

01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:19.399
It says yes.

01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:23.439
When tilted, it has a maximum height of 10 feet from the ground, yes.

01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:24.439
Right.

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And this here, if you take a look at your neighbors and you walk out in your back porch,

01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:30.239
the first thing you're going to see is 10 foot of solar.

01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:31.239
You are correct, yes.

01:11:31.239 --> 01:11:32.239
Right.

01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:33.960
Per that map, yes, in the backyard, yep.

01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:34.960
Thank you.

01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:35.960
DeRionne?

01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:41.899
So I think we discussed this at the last meeting but I just want to provide a

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little clarity. If this was on the roof, if this was a roof mounted solar, this

01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:49.479
would never have come to council because our solar ordinances say that this can

01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:54.239
be provided on a roof. The reason this is here is this is a special use permit to

01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:58.840
ground mount because they want to review each situation to make sure if the lot's

01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:03.239
big enough, if the property is big enough, if it's obtrusive to the

01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:12.649
and people that surround this particular property, so.

01:12:12.649 --> 01:12:13.649
Alderman Monroe.

01:12:13.649 --> 01:12:15.289
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

01:12:15.289 --> 01:12:18.010
Just like to make a statement, you know, a few months back

01:12:18.010 --> 01:12:21.970
we had a big issue with two panels of 10-foot fence.

01:12:21.970 --> 01:12:26.970
Here we wanna put in 31 feet, almost 31 feet by 10 feet,

01:12:27.470 --> 01:12:32.470
almost 11 feet, just rounding, 324.6 square feet

01:12:32.609 --> 01:12:36.369
of maximum height of 10-foot solar array in a backyard.

01:12:36.369 --> 01:12:37.369
Miller.

01:12:37.369 --> 01:12:43.770
This, in my opinion, poses a significantly greater eyesore than two panels of a 10-foot

01:12:43.770 --> 01:12:46.130
fence or an 8-foot fence.

01:12:46.130 --> 01:12:49.489
It was even 8-foot that we had a problem with.

01:12:49.489 --> 01:12:54.869
And quite honestly, you couldn't put a fence that would block the eyesight of the homes

01:12:54.869 --> 01:12:57.170
behind and beside.

01:12:57.170 --> 01:13:03.930
So this question really boils down to, do we want solar panels on the ground of all

01:13:03.930 --> 01:13:06.210
or any of the lawns in our community.

01:13:06.210 --> 01:13:09.270
Because if we say yes to this, we move forward

01:13:09.270 --> 01:13:11.930
and say yes to all, essentially.

01:13:11.930 --> 01:13:14.649
Otherwise, we run into a problem.

01:13:14.649 --> 01:13:19.130
And quite honestly, when you talk about those eight foot

01:13:19.130 --> 01:13:24.529
panels on a fence, the answer becomes very clear

01:13:24.529 --> 01:13:28.149
if we've got a problem with that.

01:13:28.149 --> 01:13:30.229
Is there anyone that wants to speak for first time?

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Alderman Shadle, did you have?

01:13:31.789 --> 01:13:34.109
No?

01:13:34.109 --> 01:13:35.409
Alderman Sellers, you want to speak?

01:13:35.409 --> 01:13:36.409
Fowler.

01:13:36.409 --> 01:13:37.409
Thank you for your second time.

01:13:37.409 --> 01:13:38.409
Yes.

01:13:38.409 --> 01:13:42.970
I do think that it would be an eyesore to even have like in my backyard because I like

01:13:42.970 --> 01:13:45.090
my privacy.

01:13:45.090 --> 01:13:50.609
Is there a reason why they didn't want to put it on their roof?

01:13:50.609 --> 01:13:55.770
Was there a reason why that they picked the land instead of their roof?

01:13:55.770 --> 01:13:56.770
They didn't state it.

01:13:56.770 --> 01:13:58.289
They did not state the reason why.

01:13:58.289 --> 01:14:03.609
I know that some people do it for cost and I know there's also plenty of people will

01:14:03.609 --> 01:14:25.810
Thank you.

01:14:25.810 --> 01:14:29.810
and the surrounding neighbors don't have a problem with it.

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They, so when you do a special use permit, so on November 7th hearing, there was a sign in the front yard and letters went out to the neighbors and then there was a posting in the newspaper for a hearing.

01:14:40.810 --> 01:14:52.810
And at that time, one person had called, a neighbor had called, stayed anonymous and said, what is this about? And I explained it to them and they said, I don't want to, I have no issue with it, I'm not going to show up at the hearing.

01:14:52.810 --> 01:14:57.409
so there was no nobody showed up at the hearing on November 7th and said I am

01:14:57.409 --> 01:15:05.829
against this. So I don't understand what the big debate is if the neighbors aren't

01:15:05.829 --> 01:15:11.949
complaining what right do we have to complain about somebody putting

01:15:11.949 --> 01:15:28.310
something on their own property in their own backyard. Any further discussion? If I

01:15:28.310 --> 01:15:31.390
I see none. Then, Madam Clerk, would you please take the roll?

01:15:35.699 --> 01:15:36.699
Shadle?

01:15:36.699 --> 01:15:38.100
No.

01:15:38.100 --> 01:15:39.380
Sanders is absent.

01:15:39.380 --> 01:15:52.680
Sellers?

01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:55.279
I want to say no, because I wouldn't want it.

01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:57.600
And maybe right now, the neighbors,

01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:00.119
but if they was to try to sell their home,

01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:01.840
would it be a problem?

01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:02.880
That's my dilemma.

01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:05.600
I don't know.

01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:08.920
So I'd have to say no right now, because I

01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:10.159
need more information.

01:16:10.159 --> 01:16:30.350
Klemm? No. Monroe? No. Simmons? No. Parker? No. And Stacy? Yes. The motion does fail. One, two, six. Item number 15 is the second reading of Ordinance 2024-79. Could you please read this?

01:16:30.350 --> 01:16:37.710
Ordinance Approving Special Use Application at 1373 South Locust Avenue, submitted by

01:16:37.710 --> 01:16:44.989
Sindio Networks to examine the special use of an R41 family residence zoned property

01:16:44.989 --> 01:16:52.470
to allow for a telephone exchange and other similar public service uses per section 1250.01b8.

01:16:52.470 --> 01:16:55.890
Director Duckman?

01:16:55.890 --> 01:16:58.010
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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So to recap here, nothing has changed from the first reading.

01:17:01.649 --> 01:17:08.289
And essentially what this is is the Cyndio Networks is a fiber

01:17:08.289 --> 01:17:11.409
optic company, and they have already

01:17:11.409 --> 01:17:16.010
installed a pedestal cabinet, which you can see here

01:17:16.010 --> 01:17:20.289
in the picture, right at the red dot here.

01:17:20.289 --> 01:17:24.090
And then this is the graphic representation here.

01:17:24.090 --> 01:17:26.649
and then this would be Locust here,

01:17:26.649 --> 01:17:29.409
and the high school would be over here.

01:17:29.409 --> 01:17:30.970
So that kind of just gives an idea,

01:17:30.970 --> 01:17:35.770
a little visual of what is actually happening here.

01:17:35.770 --> 01:17:39.449
And there were discussions with CINDIO originally.

01:17:39.449 --> 01:17:41.770
This was going to be an actual, I

01:17:41.770 --> 01:17:44.090
would call it more like a garage structure when

01:17:44.090 --> 01:17:45.689
they came to the city.

01:17:45.689 --> 01:17:48.430
And there was a large amount of discussions

01:17:48.430 --> 01:17:52.489
on what the city would require for the special use permit.

01:17:52.489 --> 01:17:53.489
and so on.

01:17:53.489 --> 01:17:58.489
Ultimately, they walked away from that and then we found out, this would have been some

01:17:58.489 --> 01:18:04.529
point in October, that they went ahead and installed just a cabinet instead.

01:18:04.529 --> 01:18:09.729
So in installing a cabinet without getting our permission, we went to them and said,

01:18:09.729 --> 01:18:15.149
really, you actually, you're required to get a special use permit because you're utilizing

01:18:15.149 --> 01:18:21.529
this space for what would be a utility on a residential property.

01:18:21.529 --> 01:18:24.210
When you're putting utilities on a residential property,

01:18:24.210 --> 01:18:26.890
you have to go through the special use permit process

01:18:26.890 --> 01:18:29.289
as well as an actual building permit.

01:18:29.289 --> 01:18:32.309
So all that being said, they went through,

01:18:32.309 --> 01:18:35.289
submitted their application, and on November 7th,

01:18:35.289 --> 01:18:37.630
we had a Zoning Board of Appeals meeting,

01:18:37.630 --> 01:18:39.909
and it was recommended by a vote of six to zero

01:18:39.909 --> 01:18:41.229
with zero abstentions.

01:18:42.569 --> 01:18:46.670
Wanna state there, one of the conditions there

01:18:46.670 --> 01:18:48.369
that was stated, which was later approved

01:18:48.369 --> 01:18:50.569
by the Planning Commission, is that there's going

01:18:50.569 --> 01:18:53.729
We have a screening plan that will be approved by staff.

01:18:53.729 --> 01:18:59.430
You can see here this was the preliminary screening that was suggested, but that's one

01:18:59.430 --> 01:19:05.729
of the conditions that was proposed at the ZBA and approved.

01:19:05.729 --> 01:19:12.149
That went to the Planning Commission on November 14 and that was approved by a vote of 6, 1

01:19:12.149 --> 01:19:16.590
nay and 0 abstentions.

01:19:16.590 --> 01:19:21.510
With that being said, staff is recommending approval of this ordinance.

01:19:21.510 --> 01:19:22.510
Discussion?

01:19:22.510 --> 01:19:27.750
What is the screening?

01:19:27.750 --> 01:19:28.750
What is that?

01:19:28.750 --> 01:19:29.750
Those three dots?

01:19:29.750 --> 01:19:30.750
What are they?

01:19:30.750 --> 01:19:37.010
Those will end up being Arborvita's, I believe it's three, six foot, right, it's three,

01:19:37.010 --> 01:19:38.010
six foot tall Arborvita's.

01:19:38.010 --> 01:19:40.640
Still don't know what that is.

01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:44.220
I mean, are they long poles or are they?

01:19:44.220 --> 01:19:46.220
Oh, it's like a...

01:19:46.220 --> 01:19:51.000
Oh, it's like a, um, it's a tree. A tree? You know, like a small, they look kind of like Christmas. It's a type of a cedar.

01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:56.699
Okay. Oh, I like trees. Okay. That's cool. Thank you. Yep.

01:19:56.699 --> 01:20:13.060
Oh, Ms. Stacy? To my understanding, it was stated that they asked if they could do this, and they were told no, and they did it anyway.

01:20:13.060 --> 01:20:15.060
That's what I stated, yes.

01:20:15.060 --> 01:20:21.810
Just for a point of clarification, didn't they originally want a structure, though?

01:20:21.810 --> 01:20:28.810
Yes, that's what I stated. So they went to this place earlier and they had a roughly 300 square foot,

01:20:28.810 --> 01:20:32.810
actually I believe it was 500 square foot, it was an actual structure like a garage.

01:20:32.810 --> 01:20:34.810
So it looked like a small house, a garage.

01:20:34.810 --> 01:20:36.810
But you said they decided against that.

01:20:36.810 --> 01:20:40.810
No, I told them that, I gave them the requirements that we would need

01:20:40.810 --> 01:20:44.810
and they said, okay, we're not going to do it and then come to find out.

01:20:44.810 --> 01:20:45.810
Then they did it.

01:21:18.180 --> 01:21:33.220
comments for Alderman Simmons I would say that was a compromise yes no other

01:21:33.220 --> 01:21:38.340
first one I'll have move on to Alderman Sellers yes I just like to know when we

01:21:38.340 --> 01:21:44.539
have situations like this when people go against the ordinance are there fines

01:21:44.539 --> 01:21:50.140
that we can put on them that you know the you you knew you were supposed to

01:21:50.140 --> 01:21:51.140
Fowler.

01:21:51.140 --> 01:21:54.340
You follow the ordinance and you did it anyway so now you know you're trying to follow the

01:21:54.340 --> 01:21:56.300
proper protocol.

01:21:56.300 --> 01:22:01.119
Is there a way that we can start adding fines to things like this?

01:22:01.119 --> 01:22:03.819
When they get their building permit it'll be twice.

01:22:03.819 --> 01:22:08.260
So if it's a hundred dollar permit it's if you are doing it after the fact it's a double

01:22:08.260 --> 01:22:09.500
the permit fee.

01:22:09.500 --> 01:22:11.659
So it's a hundred it would be two hundred.

01:22:11.659 --> 01:22:12.659
Okay.

01:22:12.659 --> 01:22:13.659
Olderman Sanders.

01:22:13.659 --> 01:22:14.500
Sanders.

01:22:14.500 --> 01:22:19.140
As it stands now, what is the corrections

01:22:19.140 --> 01:22:21.340
that are being made?

01:22:21.340 --> 01:22:24.779
Well, as I presented, when any time somebody does something

01:22:24.779 --> 01:22:26.819
wrong in the property code, you always

01:22:26.819 --> 01:22:31.180
have to give them an opportunity to right their wrong.

01:22:31.180 --> 01:22:33.699
So this is their opportunity to right their wrong,

01:22:33.699 --> 01:22:37.500
is to go through the process and submit an application.

01:22:37.500 --> 01:22:40.220
And I stated it in the first reading, and I'll state it

01:22:40.220 --> 01:22:42.220
Rizzo, and armory and the city will do the job, we're going to do the job.

01:22:42.220 --> 01:22:48.600
Again, certainly, you know, council has the right to vote no to this and then staff, we

01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:54.159
would work with our attorney to come up with a court order for them to remove the, actually

01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:56.619
remove the pedestal and all equipment.

01:22:56.619 --> 01:23:02.420
So, I mean, that's what's before you today, is do we, you know, does the city accept their

01:23:02.420 --> 01:23:08.020
special use permit application or is it so egregious that this needs to be immediately

01:23:08.020 --> 01:23:19.369
We're given the next person permission to do the same. If they had not have been told no, it would be

01:23:19.369 --> 01:23:30.310
Absolutelyikes but because we're not going to have a legal process, we want them to get away with this.

01:23:30.310 --> 01:23:39.069
when they were told no we're giving the next person permission to do the same if

01:23:39.069 --> 01:23:51.159
they had not have been told no it would be different and I think this need to

01:23:51.159 --> 01:24:02.250
fail and I think this needs to pull it up or when it happened again we're gonna

01:24:02.250 --> 01:24:13.149
have to accept that oops as well when do we take a stand for our city somebody

01:24:13.149 --> 01:24:22.069
got to be the example they knew we had said no why did you do it anyway it's no

01:24:22.069 --> 01:24:28.409
way this should pass attorney Zito did you wanna well then Alderman Parker had

01:24:28.409 --> 01:24:33.670
his hand up for well my understanding is they did it without knowing what the

01:24:33.670 --> 01:24:37.470
Jordan, Seth. That was more of an ignorant thing on their part. It wasn't intentionally

01:24:37.470 --> 01:24:40.670
violating the ordinance.

01:24:40.670 --> 01:24:45.949
That's a good, I guess that's one way to look at it. We had lengthy conversations with them

01:24:45.949 --> 01:24:52.270
about a much more substantial development. And I think that they claim to not have known.

01:24:52.270 --> 01:24:55.710
I mean, in my opinion, they should have known. And when I reached out to them, I said, you

01:24:55.710 --> 01:25:02.510
have to go through the process to now be approved. So they claim to them that that's their claim.

01:25:02.510 --> 01:25:12.069
Alderman Monroe. Thank you Madam Mayor. Question I have is will this property

01:25:12.069 --> 01:25:17.390
still be able to be used as a residential homestead or is that dead in

01:25:17.390 --> 01:25:23.350
the water at this point with this on the property? My opinion is that it's dead in

01:25:23.350 --> 01:25:27.229
the water. That's my opinion as far as land use goes when you look at where

01:25:27.229 --> 01:25:31.590
it's at eventually they're gonna want to tie in to you know this is meant for

01:25:31.590 --> 01:25:33.029
Winslow, and

01:25:33.029 --> 01:25:33.890
Steve,

01:25:33.890 --> 01:25:35.029
and

01:25:35.029 --> 01:25:36.789
I'm going to ask you a question about the

01:25:36.789 --> 01:25:37.829
fiber company.

01:25:37.829 --> 01:25:39.829
I know that there's a lot of fiber companies

01:25:39.829 --> 01:25:41.829
that are going to have to go underground here

01:25:41.829 --> 01:25:43.829
with cables to get into this.

01:25:43.829 --> 01:25:45.829
They're going to tie into the network here.

01:25:45.829 --> 01:25:47.829
They're going to get into these poles.

01:25:47.829 --> 01:25:49.829
And you can see there's an actual vault

01:25:49.829 --> 01:25:51.829
hand hole here.

01:25:51.829 --> 01:25:53.829
So the answer to your short answer to your question

01:25:53.829 --> 01:25:55.829
is it's going to render this useless.

01:25:55.829 --> 01:25:57.829
Now what's interesting is

01:25:57.829 --> 01:25:59.829
usually a fiber company

01:25:59.829 --> 01:26:03.350
May, Rob, thank you madam mayor.

01:26:03.350 --> 01:26:06.550
You know kind of following this, I think it's it's it's

01:26:06.550 --> 01:26:10.529
it's also kind of a difficult time for us to not have a

01:26:10.529 --> 01:26:14.550
house built on it's own because unfortunately our land values

01:26:14.550 --> 01:26:19.109
are are low, the person that the company just said okay we'll

01:26:19.109 --> 01:26:23.229
buy this residential lot and they just bought it and they

01:26:23.229 --> 01:26:29.010
just started building on it. And so that's where we're at.

01:26:29.010 --> 01:26:32.130
And to answer your question is I do I do not see something

01:26:32.130 --> 01:26:38.210
We've got a lot of empty property in our city.

01:26:38.210 --> 01:26:42.130
This happens to be sitting along one of the major thoroughfares that's about to be completely

01:26:42.130 --> 01:26:49.189
redone, close to the school, has lots of value for a homeowner.

01:26:49.189 --> 01:26:55.630
I think just about anywhere else in the city, you could probably get away from this being

01:26:55.630 --> 01:27:02.109
a really bad decision, but sitting here across from the school in a great, a pretty good

01:27:02.109 --> 01:27:06.109
I think that's a pretty big mistake, so unfortunately.

01:27:06.109 --> 01:27:12.979
Anybody else?

01:27:12.979 --> 01:27:16.979
The only problem is Alderman Stacy, you've already spoke twice.

01:27:16.979 --> 01:27:30.909
Director Duckman, what kind of utility is this and will citizens lose some kind of service if it's removed?

01:27:30.909 --> 01:27:42.060
It's for a fiber optic expansion that they have. I'll actually ask Director Suttman who knows a little bit more about what they're proposing there.

01:27:42.060 --> 01:27:43.340
Mayor.

01:27:43.340 --> 01:27:47.260
This process started with Syndio Networks, Arrow,

01:27:47.260 --> 01:27:49.979
and they kind of talked to us about what

01:27:49.979 --> 01:27:52.539
this fiber optic expansion would look like in the city.

01:27:52.539 --> 01:27:54.500
So Director Simmons, do you want to just tell us

01:27:54.500 --> 01:27:57.380
a little bit about what this is for?

01:27:57.380 --> 01:27:59.539
I don't know exactly who this would serve,

01:27:59.539 --> 01:28:03.939
but it would potentially impact their government

01:28:03.939 --> 01:28:06.500
and commercial clients, and if they have any residential

01:28:06.500 --> 01:28:08.220
in that area, too.

01:28:08.220 --> 01:28:11.819
So it's internet, fiber.

01:28:11.819 --> 01:28:13.899
Deputy Chief.

01:28:13.899 --> 01:28:15.739
Maybe I'm not correct, but my understanding

01:28:15.739 --> 01:28:18.979
is that this is for the ETSB and the 911 system

01:28:18.979 --> 01:28:22.020
and that this would be a backup route if one

01:28:22.020 --> 01:28:28.899
of their other leads lines was, not leads, fiber lines was cut.

01:28:28.899 --> 01:28:29.739
That is correct.

01:28:29.739 --> 01:28:32.359
That's one of the things that they have been told to us.

01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:34.899
I've heard some, you are 100% correct and I agree with you,

01:28:34.899 --> 01:28:38.899
but I've heard some varying, could they

01:28:38.899 --> 01:28:40.359
have gone to a different location?

01:28:40.359 --> 01:28:40.859
Yes.

01:28:40.859 --> 01:28:43.420
So you know what, I mean, this is connected to the ETSB,

01:28:43.420 --> 01:28:48.619
but they obviously could have engineered something else.

01:28:48.619 --> 01:28:49.899
But you are correct.

01:28:49.899 --> 01:28:51.460
From there, what they're stating is

01:28:51.460 --> 01:28:55.699
that this is going to be a backup for the ETSB.

01:28:55.699 --> 01:28:56.899
Odomen Sanders.

01:28:56.899 --> 01:29:01.539
So this also come to the point where

01:29:01.539 --> 01:29:08.020
it's almost a necessity in case of an emergency situation,

01:29:08.020 --> 01:29:12.600
because fiber optics do encounter construction work

01:29:13.699 --> 01:29:17.159
in certain locations and can shut down hospitals,

01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:21.340
college campuses, can do a number of things of damage

01:29:21.340 --> 01:29:26.340
to any kinds of institution that's running fiber optic.

01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:29.779
And I don't know what the extent of it is,

01:29:29.779 --> 01:29:33.520
but according to what the deputy is talking about,

01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:35.680
I would totally agree with the fact

01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:40.680
that backup routing would be a necessity thing

01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:43.760
for us to look at.

01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:53.960
I would come to the conclusion that if we don't have the service in place, then we might bite

01:29:53.960 --> 01:29:57.359
the bullet in the case like that.

01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:00.510
Attorney Sito?

01:30:00.510 --> 01:30:06.090
So I just wanted to point out also that certainly it sounds like that this particular applicant

01:30:06.090 --> 01:30:08.050
did not follow the right process.

01:30:08.050 --> 01:30:11.350
They didn't jump through the hoops in the right order, okay?

01:30:11.350 --> 01:30:14.430
from that standpoint the City Council like you know you guys can vote to say

01:30:14.430 --> 01:30:18.270
hey you didn't follow the rules right you know or the process right so we're

01:30:18.270 --> 01:30:23.029
gonna make you rip it out okay so we let's say they we turn it down and we

01:30:23.029 --> 01:30:28.189
make them rip out the the box they can turn around again and say okay the box

01:30:28.189 --> 01:30:32.029
is out now I'm gonna apply for my special use permit and I'm gonna jump

01:30:32.029 --> 01:30:36.590
through the hoop again in the same order in the right order right and so now it's

01:30:36.590 --> 01:30:39.710
gonna come right go right back through ZBA go right back through planning and

01:30:39.710 --> 01:30:45.430
and the end all be all question is is this an appropriate use on this property you

01:30:45.430 --> 01:30:49.390
know if they never would have messed up the the the order let's say they did it

01:30:49.390 --> 01:30:52.550
right the first time and jump through the hoops right way would the council

01:30:52.550 --> 01:30:59.229
have approved this for this location to have this cabinet here you know so again

01:30:59.229 --> 01:31:02.350
I just kind of want to point that out because they could you kids can turn it

01:31:02.350 --> 01:31:05.829
down and they could rip it out and then they can turn around and reapply for it

01:31:05.829 --> 01:31:09.670
and at that point we would need to have a reason as to a zoning reason really as

01:31:09.670 --> 01:31:10.670
Miller.

01:31:10.670 --> 01:31:11.670
We have a lot of questions about why this is not appropriate here.

01:31:11.670 --> 01:31:15.670
And if there is one, there is one, but if there's not, there's not, you know, so.

01:31:15.670 --> 01:31:16.670
Okay.

01:31:16.670 --> 01:31:19.329
Alderman Klemm?

01:31:19.329 --> 01:31:23.090
Madam Mayor, just a thought.

01:31:23.090 --> 01:31:29.069
This is one of those things you kind of label as a bad deal.

01:31:29.069 --> 01:31:33.770
One other option would be to lay this over to another meeting and find out what their

01:31:33.770 --> 01:31:35.569
options are that they can do.

01:31:35.569 --> 01:31:36.569
Is that correct?

01:31:36.569 --> 01:31:39.039
Well, yes.

01:31:39.039 --> 01:31:49.039
Yes, I mean, you certainly could to delay it, but I guess the question I would have is they want to go here, right?

01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:58.039
I mean, they're basically saying, our most effective, our most efficient, they want to be here, that's why they bought the property, that's why they went ahead and built it.

01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:02.039
So they're going to come back, no matter, and say, we want to be here.

01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:32.039
Essentially, if the council wants to battle them, which, you know, has been presented to you, you know, battle them and make them rip it out and then go to Plan B, you know, or go back around, as Attorney Zito said and said, present it to us. I mean, certainly it can be, I'll have to defer to Attorney Zito to check. I know there's a timeframe on when you're, when council, I don't know if it's 60 days, that council has to take action from the date of ZBA. There is a requirement there. So

01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:33.039
Koehler.

01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:39.359
So, if we do delay it, it shouldn't be delayed long or stay within our ordinance, essentially

01:32:39.359 --> 01:32:40.359
that's...

01:32:40.359 --> 01:32:41.359
Possibly change in a delay.

01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:45.319
So, and I'll have Attorney Zito look it up, but essentially it's in our ordinance that

01:32:45.319 --> 01:32:51.359
says there's a timeframe from when it passes ZBA to where counsel has to take action on

01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:52.359
it.

01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:56.859
So, we are, the counsel is required to make some action on it, at least that's my recollection

01:32:56.859 --> 01:32:57.859
of a special use.

01:32:57.859 --> 01:33:01.390
Alderman Klemm.

01:33:01.390 --> 01:33:08.390
Klemm. Can I just do a follow-up is all I want to do. Given an example is the same

01:33:08.390 --> 01:33:16.470
thing, okay, on in front of what used to be Hartog and Reedy's property on

01:33:16.470 --> 01:33:22.510
Burchard as you go around the curve. I believe the telephone company or one of

01:33:22.510 --> 01:33:27.149
the companies in it put an above-ground thing in there and there was great

01:33:27.149 --> 01:33:28.149
Winslow.

01:33:28.149 --> 01:33:31.590
We have a great opposition from them to it, and they turned around and put the same thing

01:33:31.590 --> 01:33:32.590
in underground.

01:33:32.590 --> 01:33:33.590
Okay.

01:33:33.590 --> 01:33:41.149
Now, if that's an option, what I don't want to see is every, this is, Arrow is a former

01:33:41.149 --> 01:33:46.350
hometown company and has roots here and all that kind of stuff, but there's no sense to

01:33:46.350 --> 01:33:51.270
spend a whole bunch of money before we know all the answers is what I'm saying.

01:33:51.270 --> 01:33:53.130
You know, it's a bad deal.

01:33:53.130 --> 01:34:23.130
if you had a vote on it right now would I go along with most everybody else and say no but what have you gained you know if they need it there do they take and move it up so the property can then be used you know those kind of things well I will state one point I mean certainly our building inspector we have requirements at the building at the level of you know if you get a building permit and we miss an inspection you know you bury a pipe a service pipe you know our staff will say hey you have to dig that up for us to look at it before you know you

01:34:53.130 --> 01:35:23.130
We're going to take this along because you know that if they tear it out, they're eventually going to go through this process and argue us saying, hey, I'm going to just do the same thing anyways, or are you going to take the stance, you know, and say, no, the rules are here, we're going to take it out. So it's really a decision that, you know, has been put to counsel. It is a tough decision, but I could see, you know, I could see how you would go either way.

01:35:23.130 --> 01:35:28.350
Huffines. They can build this type of vault below ground. It's just significantly more

01:35:28.350 --> 01:35:32.529
expensive than above grade, and they prefer above grade because it's easier to service

01:35:32.529 --> 01:35:39.399
than it is below grade, but it can be put below grade.

01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:44.279
Shadle, Parker, and Simmons, if either one of you three have any more comments. Alderman

01:35:44.279 --> 01:35:45.279
Parker.

01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:50.880
I just want to state that if it's emergency backup for our 911 system, for ETSB, I think

01:35:50.880 --> 01:35:55.760
we'd be making a big mistake by rejecting it just because if they need it and it's not

01:35:55.760 --> 01:36:00.119
working because we shut it down we're gonna look pretty fully especially if

01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:04.359
it's an emergency and somebody gets hurt or killed so my opinion I think we need

01:36:04.359 --> 01:36:17.840
to prove it okay well then everyone else has had their second time we're ready

01:36:17.840 --> 01:36:26.159
to take a vote yeah he's still looking is it still floor still open for question

01:36:26.159 --> 01:36:32.520
you already had your two times so you'd have to have a unanimous okay well I did

01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:40.710
have a real important one but I guess that's gonna get overlooked because I

01:36:40.710 --> 01:36:44.270
think it needs to be in since we're waiting I'll make a motion to give miss

01:36:44.270 --> 01:36:50.579
another question okay so we have a motion on the floor made by Monroe

01:36:50.579 --> 01:36:55.579
seconded by Simmons to allow Alderman Sanders a third time of speaking madam

01:36:55.579 --> 01:36:57.579
Clerk, could you please take the roll?

01:36:57.579 --> 01:36:59.579
One second.

01:36:59.579 --> 01:37:05.609
Shadle?

01:37:05.609 --> 01:37:10.750
Sanders?

01:37:10.750 --> 01:37:12.750
Sellers?

01:37:12.750 --> 01:37:14.750
Klemm?

01:37:14.750 --> 01:37:16.750
Monroe?

01:37:16.750 --> 01:37:18.750
Simmons?

01:37:18.750 --> 01:37:20.750
Parker?

01:37:20.750 --> 01:37:22.750
And Stacy?

01:37:22.750 --> 01:37:24.750
Motion passes unanimously.

01:37:24.750 --> 01:37:26.750
I'm afraid to even ask the question

01:37:26.750 --> 01:37:28.750
after Parker got done speaking.

01:37:28.750 --> 01:37:30.750
But here's the one thing that I wanted to know.

01:37:30.750 --> 01:37:31.750
Miller.

01:37:31.750 --> 01:37:40.630
As opposed of whichever way we decide here on the council, there is no stipulation of

01:37:40.630 --> 01:37:49.430
just giving them the leave way or the pathway to do a thing or to let it go.

01:37:49.430 --> 01:37:55.550
I think it should have stipulations or repercussions, findings and things of this nature.

01:37:55.550 --> 01:38:00.229
With ordinances that have been violated, any time an ordinance has been violated, there

01:38:00.229 --> 01:38:02.350
and I think that there should be a repercussion

01:38:02.350 --> 01:38:04.470
for those kinds of things and that a fine

01:38:04.470 --> 01:38:09.470
should be added to any ordinance that has been violated.

01:38:09.550 --> 01:38:12.310
Now, if I'm incorrect about that,

01:38:12.310 --> 01:38:14.710
even with this particular situation,

01:38:16.390 --> 01:38:19.789
as opposed of just being passive with it

01:38:19.789 --> 01:38:22.470
and the council is looking forward to,

01:38:22.470 --> 01:38:27.470
because of the situation that it has with the fiber optics,

01:38:27.470 --> 01:38:35.350
I think they should incur some kind of fine or some kind of repercussion as opposed of

01:38:35.350 --> 01:38:43.190
just handing it over to them to let them know further on in the other violation that goes

01:38:43.190 --> 01:38:50.229
for any ordinances that you would be subject to paying a fine for that.

01:38:50.229 --> 01:38:54.729
Director Duckman already addressed that and he said the permit would go from $100 to $200

01:38:54.729 --> 01:38:56.210
so there's a $100 increase.

01:38:59.500 --> 01:39:00.500
Darren?

01:39:00.500 --> 01:39:05.500
Can the council make a motion to increase the penalty

01:39:05.899 --> 01:39:07.920
for non-compliance?

01:39:09.420 --> 01:39:11.539
Not a missed one. Is that not possible?

01:39:11.539 --> 01:39:12.800
If that's set by ordinance,

01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:15.600
then you would need an ordinance to change an ordinance.

01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:16.899
And you found the answer?

01:39:18.140 --> 01:39:23.140
It appears to be 60 days after publication of the notice.

01:39:26.579 --> 01:39:34.500
otherwise it's deemed to be approved so whatever 60 days is from the day that the notice was published

01:39:36.539 --> 01:39:41.420
or after publication of the notice the day that it ran in the newspaper yes so this if the zba

01:39:41.420 --> 01:39:43.420
Hearing was

01:39:43.420 --> 01:40:12.720
So this, if the ZBA hearing was November 7th, it would have been mid-October, so we're looking at, it's close, mid-December, mid-December, it's right there, I was right, it was 60 days, so 60 days from the posted notice, not the actual hearing date, but the posted notice, yep And that's posted notice of the hearing? Yeah So like when the sign went up on the property and all of that? We would go, yes, and that would also, yes, and we have evidence

01:40:12.720 --> 01:40:40.210
Shadle, Sanders, Sellers, Klemm, Monroe, Simmons, Parker, Stacy, I have five in the positive,

01:40:40.210 --> 01:40:42.689
three in the negative, is that sufficient?

01:40:42.689 --> 01:40:47.439
And the ordinance passes.

01:40:47.439 --> 01:40:52.000
Item Number 18 is the first reading of Ordinance 2024-83.

01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:53.920
Could you please read this?

01:40:53.920 --> 01:40:58.640
Fiscal Year 2024 Reappropriation Ordinance.

01:40:58.640 --> 01:40:59.640
Manager Boyer.

01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:00.840
Thank you, Your Honor.

01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:05.000
So at the end of each fiscal year, the City Council amends the appropriation ordinance

01:41:05.000 --> 01:41:11.659
to take into account necessary revenue and expenses adjustments attached to your memo

01:41:11.659 --> 01:41:14.600
or all the proposed changes.

01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:44.600
We had some additional revenue and right-of-way permits that we did not originally account for so we received a little more there. We also received some additional revenue through police reimbursements for some of our training that we did and also the airport grant we received a little bit extra about $40,000 in the airport grant. In addition to revenue we had various expenses. Just to hit on a few again there was a countervailing

01:41:44.600 --> 01:42:14.600
We also made an adjustment to the expense for the airport grant. We spent a little bit more on tree assistance this year than originally budgeted. We made an adjustment for that. And then in addition to that, we had some streets. Of course, we did quite a bit of street work this year, and we included revenue and expenses, and we're still paying some expenses on the street improvement fund. That was primarily due to the volume of construction and the number of variables involved in that.

01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:19.560
We did pretty well with Water Fund and the Sewer Fund this year. Both are in

01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:26.479
a fair condition. So staff is requesting council move this to the next council

01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:31.100
meeting on the 16th for approval. Is there a motion to move this forward? So

01:42:31.100 --> 01:42:37.600
moved. Second. A motion made by Alderman Klemm, seconded by Alderman Sellers.

01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:46.489
Discussion on the ordinance. We'll move on to item number 19, which is the first

01:42:46.489 --> 01:42:50.329
String of Ordinance 2024-84, could you please read this?

01:42:50.329 --> 01:42:53.529
Ordinance approving four airport farm leases

01:42:53.529 --> 01:42:58.170
with Melvin Abels, Mike Wickman, Jeff Hageman,

01:42:58.170 --> 01:43:00.050
and Pamela Mannes Trust.

01:43:01.090 --> 01:43:01.970
Manager Boyer.

01:43:01.970 --> 01:43:04.210
I think, Your Honor, staff has been working very hard

01:43:04.210 --> 01:43:08.609
to get these farm leases squared away around the airport.

01:43:08.609 --> 01:43:11.489
We have received signed leases

01:43:11.489 --> 01:43:14.310
from the aforementioned property

01:43:14.310 --> 01:43:19.310
or rental participants and staff recommends approval

01:43:20.270 --> 01:43:23.909
of the farmland or moving this forward to a second reading.

01:43:24.750 --> 01:43:26.949
Is there a motion to move forward?

01:43:26.949 --> 01:43:27.789
So moved.

01:43:27.789 --> 01:43:28.630
Second.

01:43:28.630 --> 01:43:31.069
We have a motion made by Alderman Sellers,

01:43:31.069 --> 01:43:32.789
seconded by Alderman Shadle.

01:43:32.789 --> 01:43:34.470
Discussion, Alderman Monroe.

01:43:34.470 --> 01:43:36.229
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

01:43:36.229 --> 01:43:38.109
A little bit of confusion on this one.

01:43:38.109 --> 01:43:41.310
I thought we had moved forward with the agreements

01:43:41.310 --> 01:43:43.710
with each of these different entities

01:43:43.710 --> 01:43:46.590
on a previous item.

01:43:46.590 --> 01:43:49.789
Was it just we were approving the dollar amounts

01:43:49.789 --> 01:43:53.869
or in the names or because there were four different pieces

01:43:53.869 --> 01:43:56.789
of property there that were listed on the map

01:43:56.789 --> 01:43:57.710
that was shown.

01:43:58.689 --> 01:44:01.189
Manager, where did you want that or Darren?

01:44:01.189 --> 01:44:02.390
Darren, you want to go?

01:44:02.390 --> 01:44:05.909
The last one that we approved were the Kempels,

01:44:05.909 --> 01:44:07.989
which they have a small section of property

01:44:07.989 --> 01:44:09.989
and then we also the Julius's,

01:44:09.989 --> 01:44:12.590
which they both had some small pieces north.

01:44:12.590 --> 01:44:13.430
I'm mixing, I'm sorry.

01:44:13.430 --> 01:44:14.430
and the rest of the pieces.

01:44:14.430 --> 01:44:17.909
So this accounts for all the property that's left.

01:44:17.909 --> 01:44:23.270
This will have, if you approve this tonight, every parcel will have a three-year agreement.

01:44:23.270 --> 01:44:30.550
We've also included a leaf disposal at our discretion on these properties.

01:44:30.550 --> 01:44:34.750
So we could actually spread leaves in the fall or in the spring on these properties

01:44:34.750 --> 01:44:37.430
to try to help offset some costs.

01:44:37.430 --> 01:44:44.670
So we put a lot of time and a lot of effort into getting it to this piece, but this should

01:44:44.670 --> 01:44:51.989
clean this up and every parcel should be paid with a three-year contract.

01:44:51.989 --> 01:44:52.989
Perfect.

01:44:52.989 --> 01:44:53.989
Thank you.

01:44:53.989 --> 01:44:54.989
You can answer my question.

01:44:54.989 --> 01:45:00.949
And if it suits council, suspension of the rules would be appreciated.

01:45:00.949 --> 01:45:02.949
Madam Mayor, I'd make that motion to suspend the rules.

01:45:02.949 --> 01:45:03.949
I'll second that.

01:45:03.949 --> 01:45:17.949
We have a motion on the floor made by Alderman Shadle, seconded by Alderman Rowe for suspension of the rules. Suspension of the rules is non-debatable and must pass by two-thirds. Madam Clerk, could you please take the roll on the suspension only?

01:45:17.949 --> 01:45:23.949
Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? Aye.

01:45:23.949 --> 01:45:28.949
Simmons is absent. Parker? Aye. And Stacy? Aye.

01:45:28.949 --> 01:45:36.949
So now before you council would be the for the final passage of this ordinance for the discussion. Madam Clerk, please take the roll.

01:45:37.949 --> 01:45:39.949
Shadle. Aye.

01:45:40.949 --> 01:45:42.949
Sanders. Aye.

01:45:42.949 --> 01:45:43.949
Sellers. Aye.

01:45:43.949 --> 01:45:44.949
Klemm. Aye.

01:45:44.949 --> 01:45:45.949
Monroe. Aye.

01:45:45.949 --> 01:45:48.949
Simmons is still absent. Parker. Aye.

01:45:48.949 --> 01:45:50.949
And Stacy. Aye.

01:45:51.949 --> 01:45:57.949
The ordinance passes seven to zero. Madam Mayor, I missed the original motion and second for the ordinance.

01:45:58.949 --> 01:46:05.909
That would have been Shadle and Monroe The original moving forward would have been Sellers

01:46:05.909 --> 01:46:06.909
and Shadle.

01:46:06.909 --> 01:46:09.350
The suspension was Shadle and Monroe.

01:46:09.350 --> 01:46:12.140
Thank you.

01:46:12.140 --> 01:46:13.140
Okay.

01:46:13.140 --> 01:46:18.460
So we'll move on to item number 20, which is the adoption of resolution 20-24-125.

01:46:18.460 --> 01:46:21.979
Could you please read this?

01:46:21.979 --> 01:46:26.859
Resolution approving agreement with Cinegro for disposal of biosolids.

01:46:26.859 --> 01:46:27.859
Manager Boyer.

01:46:27.859 --> 01:46:29.539
Thank you, Your Honor.

01:46:29.539 --> 01:46:35.100
The wastewater treatment plant generates solids in the form of what's called sludge. That's

01:46:35.100 --> 01:46:39.779
the last step in the treatment process. And we dispose of the sludge by doing land applied

01:46:39.779 --> 01:46:45.239
to fertilize farm fields. Cinegro is the company that does the land application, tracks all

01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:51.220
the locations where it is deposited, and manages that whole thing. So our contract needs to

01:46:51.220 --> 01:46:57.699
be renewed. The new current, the new price is $48.21 per cubic yard. And staff requests

01:46:57.699 --> 01:47:01.060
Council move forward with this resolution with Centro.

01:47:01.060 --> 01:47:02.819
Is there a motion to adopt?

01:47:02.819 --> 01:47:04.140
So moved.

01:47:04.140 --> 01:47:05.420
Second.

01:47:05.420 --> 01:47:09.020
We have a motion made by Alderman Seller, seconded

01:47:09.020 --> 01:47:11.140
by Alderman Parker.

01:47:11.140 --> 01:47:13.500
Discussion, Alderman Sanders?

01:47:13.500 --> 01:47:15.100
Yeah.

01:47:15.100 --> 01:47:20.220
Manager Boyer, looking at the situation

01:47:20.220 --> 01:47:26.060
when it comes to biosolids and things of that nature,

01:47:26.060 --> 01:47:34.340
who's all involved in making sure that the farmers are in compliance with EPAs and the

01:47:34.340 --> 01:47:40.859
other organizations to allow this kind of dumping on their farmland and is there any

01:47:40.859 --> 01:47:52.460
other entities involved in the process making sure that it's not hitting our waterways,

01:47:52.460 --> 01:47:57.199
making sure that everything is appropriate for these properties.

01:47:57.199 --> 01:48:05.800
I just wanted to hear the whole scope of everything, how we are maintaining ourself in compliance

01:48:05.800 --> 01:48:08.439
with the EPAs and these farmers.

01:48:08.439 --> 01:48:11.420
Sure, I'd be happy to answer that.

01:48:11.420 --> 01:48:17.619
So the reason we use companies like Syntagro is they have basically the administrative

01:48:17.619 --> 01:48:21.899
tracking system to keep track of what sludge was applied to what fields, they have the

01:48:21.899 --> 01:48:25.859
relationships with the farmers and they also are tracked and they are worked

01:48:25.859 --> 01:48:30.940
directly with the EPA on where those locations are and how much goes down so

01:48:30.940 --> 01:48:36.079
that is I guess a little bit outside of the city scope if you will but is well

01:48:36.079 --> 01:48:41.079
within regulators scope so once it leaves our facility and as land applied

01:48:41.079 --> 01:48:47.680
it then becomes Synegro and the EPA and the individual property owners process

01:48:47.680 --> 01:49:17.940
Any further discussion? Oldham and Stacy? Okay, so this is 48.21 per cubic yard. If we dump this into the Pecatonica River, would we be safe?

01:49:17.940 --> 01:49:38.779
No. That's why we put it in fields. No. So if we give it to the farmers and we flood it's still all coming back to the Pecatonic River. So how are we safe in giving it to the farmers?

01:49:38.779 --> 01:49:39.979
Landis, specifically.

01:49:39.979 --> 01:49:44.479
Land is specifically applied for to the EPA to spread our sludge on, so we can't just

01:49:44.479 --> 01:49:47.159
go put it willy-nilly wherever we want.

01:49:47.159 --> 01:49:49.739
It's not put on flood ground.

01:49:49.739 --> 01:49:55.180
This type of sludge waste is either knifed in or injected into the ground, so it's not

01:49:55.180 --> 01:49:58.140
like a product that's just sitting on the ground.

01:49:58.140 --> 01:50:01.380
If they loose spread it, then it's disted in.

01:50:01.380 --> 01:50:06.819
If they liquid spread it, which we don't do liquid spreading, they knife it in, so it's

01:50:06.819 --> 01:50:08.439
it's not something that's running around.

01:50:08.439 --> 01:50:11.600
This is no different than just regular cow manure

01:50:11.600 --> 01:50:14.039
or that type of fertilizer that's put on fields.

01:50:14.039 --> 01:50:18.560
It just happens to be human waste that's put out there.

01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:23.239
Cinegro, one piece that Rob did not state

01:50:23.239 --> 01:50:26.560
is Cinegro is required to do soil testing

01:50:26.560 --> 01:50:28.460
at each one of these sites annually.

01:50:28.460 --> 01:50:30.399
That's part of the permit process.

01:50:30.399 --> 01:50:33.960
So all of the process is carried all the way through

01:50:33.960 --> 01:50:36.960
It's all the way reported to EPA on the soil testings,

01:50:36.960 --> 01:50:39.479
how much is applied per acre.

01:50:39.479 --> 01:50:44.520
It's all driven by formulas based on our sludge characteristics

01:50:44.520 --> 01:50:47.439
or the DNA of our final waste.

01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:48.920
But do we know the results?

01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:51.479
Do we stick with it through the whole process?

01:50:51.479 --> 01:50:53.079
Yes, we get results of all that.

01:50:53.079 --> 01:50:54.199
And we've always passed.

01:50:54.199 --> 01:50:56.920
And Synecrow's always done a good job for the city

01:50:56.920 --> 01:50:59.800
of Freeport, spreading, hauling, doing the paperwork.

01:50:59.800 --> 01:51:04.609
We've not had any issues with this.

01:51:04.609 --> 01:51:06.810
and there's not a lot of companies

01:51:06.810 --> 01:51:13.189
that actually do this kind of biosolids waste any longer.

01:51:13.189 --> 01:51:15.789
Please take the roll on the adoption of the resolution.

01:51:15.789 --> 01:51:16.630
Shadle?

01:51:16.630 --> 01:51:17.449
Aye.

01:51:17.449 --> 01:51:18.289
Sanders?

01:51:18.289 --> 01:51:19.130
Sellers?

01:51:19.130 --> 01:51:19.949
Aye.

01:51:19.949 --> 01:51:20.789
Klemm?

01:51:20.789 --> 01:51:21.630
Aye.

01:51:21.630 --> 01:51:22.449
Monroe?

01:51:22.449 --> 01:51:25.689
No way.

01:51:25.689 --> 01:51:26.529
Simmons?

01:51:26.529 --> 01:51:27.350
Parker?

01:51:27.350 --> 01:51:28.189
Aye.

01:51:28.189 --> 01:51:29.010
And Stacy?

01:51:29.010 --> 01:51:29.850
No.

01:51:29.850 --> 01:51:35.279
Motion passes five to three.

01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:38.960
Item number 21 is the adoption of resolution 2024-127.

01:51:38.960 --> 01:51:41.020
Could you please read this?

01:51:41.020 --> 01:51:43.199
Resolution in support of application

01:51:43.199 --> 01:51:48.039
to the state of Illinois for a community development block grant for sanitary sewer lining.

01:51:48.039 --> 01:51:49.039
Manager Boyer?

01:51:49.039 --> 01:51:50.560
Thank you, Your Honor.

01:51:50.560 --> 01:51:55.840
The city of Freeport's got about 130 miles of sanitary sewer in the collection system.

01:51:55.840 --> 01:52:02.439
During annual project evaluation, cure and place lining locations are identified to rehabilitate

01:52:02.439 --> 01:52:09.439
sanitary sewer piping that might have cracks and defects and I&I that's in flow and infiltration

01:52:09.439 --> 01:52:12.159
issues potentially sags.

01:52:12.159 --> 01:52:20.159
Our Illinois EPA mandatory CMOM, which is the Sewer Capacity Management Plan, requires

01:52:20.159 --> 01:52:25.039
requirements specify that the city addresses annual sewer rehabilitation for our collection

01:52:25.039 --> 01:52:30.800
system with mainline cure-in-place liner piping for the environmental concerns.

01:52:30.800 --> 01:52:34.619
We've done quite a bit of that this year on our road program.

01:52:34.619 --> 01:52:39.840
Sewer lining is considered an industry accepted method in sewer main pipe rehabilitation and

01:52:39.840 --> 01:52:43.800
and it is more economical than open cut excavation methods.

01:52:43.800 --> 01:52:46.640
Sewer lining is over 10 times cheaper to install

01:52:46.640 --> 01:52:48.539
and the industry standard estimates

01:52:48.539 --> 01:52:50.640
that it lasts over 60 years

01:52:50.640 --> 01:52:54.119
and they have sustainable useful life after installation.

01:52:54.119 --> 01:52:56.659
City staff requests authorization from the city council

01:52:56.659 --> 01:52:58.659
to submit to the state of Illinois

01:52:58.659 --> 01:53:01.119
for a community development block grant

01:53:01.119 --> 01:53:03.159
for sanitary sewer line to be completed

01:53:03.159 --> 01:53:06.159
in Ward 3, 4, 5 and 7.

01:53:06.159 --> 01:53:12.279
these these words areas all have areas of concern and sanitary sewer lining would

01:53:12.279 --> 01:53:16.960
improve the infrastructure in these areas the current grant cycle request is

01:53:16.960 --> 01:53:21.920
for a maximum of a million dollars and has no match required the city engineer

01:53:21.920 --> 01:53:26.920
estimates the city would install between 20 and 25,000 linear feet of sewer main

01:53:26.920 --> 01:53:33.680
liner on this project if awarded so there is no funding for this opportunity

01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:37.920
no funding match and staff recommends city council approve the resolution so

01:53:37.920 --> 01:53:44.239
the grant can be submitted on December 4th. Is there a motion to adopt? So moved.

01:53:44.239 --> 01:53:49.159
The motion made by Alderman Klemm, seconded by Alderman Sellers. Discussion

01:53:49.159 --> 01:53:55.880
Alderman Sanders. Yeah for installations and I know this is referring back to

01:53:55.880 --> 01:54:19.380
Darin and Director Boyer. When installing these liners and looking at the finished product of those liners, how do you guys go about inspecting the final product? What's the process after the installation?

01:54:19.380 --> 01:54:24.380
and then not only that, when it becomes to a problem

01:54:26.380 --> 01:54:31.380
installing to residents, reconnecting to these liners

01:54:32.699 --> 01:54:36.220
and there's problems at the connections

01:54:36.220 --> 01:54:40.340
and things of that nature, do we have a solution?

01:54:40.340 --> 01:54:43.659
Are we prepared to make certain repairs

01:54:43.659 --> 01:54:46.220
to accommodate the residents

01:54:46.220 --> 01:54:49.140
and is that a cost to the resident

01:54:49.140 --> 01:54:53.420
if these things are causing problems.

01:54:53.420 --> 01:54:57.659
And not only that, is it possible someday

01:54:57.659 --> 01:55:01.460
that we can see clippings even if you bring them here

01:55:01.460 --> 01:55:06.460
to the council or we can go to wherever the tape machine is

01:55:08.420 --> 01:55:13.100
that we can actually see some of this stuff being installed

01:55:13.100 --> 01:55:18.100
so we can get a great visual of what is being done.

01:55:18.100 --> 01:55:25.859
and that will be something of educational and understanding to the council if we can set

01:55:25.859 --> 01:55:34.720
up some kind of visual just to look to see how we prepare that kind of operation.

01:55:34.720 --> 01:55:35.720
Is that possible?

01:55:35.720 --> 01:55:36.720
Sure.

01:55:36.720 --> 01:55:40.840
So first of all, we do full-time inspection for cured in place lining.

01:55:40.840 --> 01:55:45.899
So we have teammates out there all throughout the process.

01:55:45.899 --> 01:56:15.899
Bain, and about 30% of our lines are cleaned, televised, point repairs are identified if needed. You can line through quite a bit of stuff. Liners are put in like – they call it like a tube sock where you turn it inside out and it's steam blown through the system, it inflates inside the liner, and then it adheres to the inside of the pipe. I've done specifically myself probably close to 20 miles of lining in my career, which is a lot.

01:56:15.899 --> 01:56:21.619
We had a project a handful of years ago here in Freeport that we did almost nine miles.

01:56:21.619 --> 01:56:28.340
We haven't, in my tenure, had a reinstatement issue, but if we would, that lateral would

01:56:28.340 --> 01:56:30.420
have to be dug up.

01:56:30.420 --> 01:56:36.619
The tools and the equipment that does cured in place lining has come a long way in the

01:56:36.619 --> 01:56:38.380
last 20 years.

01:56:38.380 --> 01:56:40.439
It's all robotic.

01:56:40.439 --> 01:56:45.979
and the way we do final inspections is we require all the surfaces to be reinstated

01:56:45.979 --> 01:56:52.779
and then we do a physical closed-circuit TV camera robot that runs through the lines,

01:56:52.779 --> 01:56:55.279
looks in all the laterals, looks for wrinkles.

01:56:55.279 --> 01:56:57.800
There are repair methods if there's wrinkles.

01:56:57.800 --> 01:57:03.159
Again, lining technologies come a long ways and we haven't had near as many problems

01:57:03.159 --> 01:57:07.199
as we had 20 years ago with it or 10 years ago, excuse me, with it.

01:57:07.199 --> 01:57:37.199
economical again Rob statement of 10 cents on the dollars is very accurate it might even be more than that in today's market with the expense of excavations we did 400 almost $500,000 worth of lining this year and I've had no issues whatsoever and we actually have a lining project that's going on right now here at the end of the year it can be done in pretty much any temperatures that are not below zero thank you so and I can bring in a video if you want to see it or you can google

01:58:04.289 --> 01:58:07.649
The resolution is adopted 8-0.

01:58:07.649 --> 01:58:11.529
Time number 22 is the adoption of resolution 2024-128.

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Could you please read this?

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Resolution authorizing the write-off of uncollectible water and sewer balances aged seven years

01:58:18.809 --> 01:58:19.809
and older.

01:58:19.809 --> 01:58:20.809
Director Richter.

01:58:20.809 --> 01:58:23.529
Thank you, Your Honor.

01:58:23.529 --> 01:58:28.489
The write-off of utility balances is necessary when a resident's balance is considered to

01:58:28.489 --> 01:58:30.250
be uncollectible.

01:58:30.250 --> 01:58:34.170
If the balances are not written off, the city will carry an accounts receivable balance

01:58:34.170 --> 01:58:38.489
that overstates the amount of outstanding customer balances.

01:58:38.489 --> 01:58:40.329
By writing off these amounts yearly,

01:58:40.329 --> 01:58:45.170
we will more accurately reflect our financial position.

01:58:45.170 --> 01:58:47.850
Despite efforts to collect these outstanding balances,

01:58:47.850 --> 01:58:51.809
we propose to write off all balances prior to July 1st

01:58:51.809 --> 01:58:54.489
of 2017 at this time.

01:58:54.489 --> 01:58:57.690
This would leave seven years of balances on the books.

01:58:57.690 --> 01:59:04.090
The proposed total to be written off is $92,679.18.

01:59:04.090 --> 01:59:10.970
Please note that we are able to track prior balances that have been written off in the computer system.

01:59:10.970 --> 01:59:22.090
If future utility service is requested in the name of an account that was previously written off, we will collect prior to new service starting.

01:59:22.090 --> 01:59:28.890
The resident is also required to pay a higher deposit on the new account if an old account balance was not paid.

01:59:28.890 --> 01:59:38.010
Strategic plan alignment is responsive, efficient government and staff request approval of this Resolution 2024.

01:59:38.010 --> 01:59:41.840
this resolution 2024, 128 to write off $92,678.18 of water,

01:59:43.880 --> 01:59:46.800
sewer, storm and garbage balances.

01:59:46.800 --> 01:59:48.239
Is there a motion to adopt?

01:59:48.239 --> 01:59:49.199
So moved.

01:59:49.199 --> 01:59:50.039
Second.

01:59:50.039 --> 01:59:53.600
Motion made by Alderman Klemm, seconded by Alderman Shadle.

01:59:53.600 --> 01:59:56.880
Discussion on the resolution, Alderman Sanders.

01:59:56.880 --> 01:59:57.720
Go ahead.

02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:05.000
Just a question in regards to percentage wise to

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to residents who have not paid and want to reestablish their service.

02:00:15.239 --> 02:00:22.079
What percentage are we looking at for establishing their new service or reconnecting their service

02:00:22.079 --> 02:00:23.880
for installation?

02:00:23.880 --> 02:00:27.079
What kind of percentage are we looking at when we're talking about they will have to

02:00:27.079 --> 02:00:29.300
pay a higher cost?

02:00:29.300 --> 02:00:34.329
What are we looking at?

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Miller.

02:00:35.329 --> 02:00:52.130
We do run across it more frequently than not, but I would say maybe only one a month, you

02:00:52.130 --> 02:00:55.130
know, if that.

02:00:55.130 --> 02:00:57.289
But it does happen.

02:00:57.289 --> 02:00:59.250
They move back into the community.

02:00:59.250 --> 02:01:02.010
Alderman Monroe.

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Mayor, last year we had the same conversation and we were told that, you know, these would

02:01:08.170 --> 02:01:10.489
be collected if people tried to get them turned back on.

02:01:10.489 --> 02:01:18.090
There were names on that list that were written off that still have water service today.

02:01:18.090 --> 02:01:25.029
So my question really is starting to become, you know, what do we do to quit writing off

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so much money every year?

02:01:27.289 --> 02:01:35.289
I understand, you know, the deceased. I understand people going into nursing, long-term nursing care, end-of-life type situations.

02:01:35.289 --> 02:01:42.289
But, I mean, there's management groups. There are finance groups. There are real estate groups.

02:01:42.289 --> 02:01:56.289
And if you go down through this, it's almost perplexing that we can't at least attempt to, I mean, we spend close to half a million dollars a year on legal for the city.

02:01:56.289 --> 02:02:02.369
It's in the budget for next year and yet we can't go after the people and charge them additional fees

02:02:02.890 --> 02:02:07.329
For you know getting this money back because the citizens of Freeport

02:02:07.729 --> 02:02:10.569
You know who are footing the bill, you know, we write this off

02:02:10.569 --> 02:02:17.609
This is 93,000 almost dollars that comes out of funds that we could have used and you know

02:02:17.609 --> 02:02:19.609
My question really becomes

02:02:19.609 --> 02:02:26.689
How do we know number one that the people aren't reconnecting water because

02:02:27.729 --> 02:02:37.729
We've had instances where the water was connected and some of the names that were on the list last year are still on it this year.

02:02:37.729 --> 02:02:40.729
You know, how do we know that this isn't going on?

02:02:40.729 --> 02:02:44.729
And number two, what are we going to change?

02:02:44.729 --> 02:02:53.729
Because this is a fundamental change inside of our government to collect this money that's owed to the city and the citizens of Freeport.

02:02:53.729 --> 02:03:01.449
it's this is a community-owned water service and yet here we sit again writing

02:03:01.449 --> 02:03:05.369
off almost a hundred thousand dollars again actually last year it was even

02:03:05.369 --> 02:03:15.079
more what are what are we gonna do director Richter I do agree with you I

02:03:15.079 --> 02:03:23.720
totally agree with you Alderman Monroe there are some tools that have been

02:03:23.720 --> 02:03:28.920
taking out of our toolbox to get some of these funds over the past years.

02:03:29.180 --> 02:03:33.199
We don't lean property owners and, you know, for tenant bills.

02:03:34.199 --> 02:03:40.920
Um, we do have problems currently and, and I only know the best over the last five years.

02:03:40.979 --> 02:03:44.000
You know, I've really been involved with the water department the last five years.

02:03:44.479 --> 02:03:54.689
And, and like you said, some of the balances on here are because of maybe an elderly

02:03:54.689 --> 02:03:59.409
person you know kind of let the house go and then it just kept going and back

02:03:59.409 --> 02:04:06.409
during this time these amounts the CIP charges could accumulate for five years

02:04:06.409 --> 02:04:15.289
now they only accumulate for one year so you know there's there's different

02:04:15.289 --> 02:04:20.390
things that are going on during different years but I do agree I think

02:04:20.390 --> 02:04:25.390
I think, you know, we need to lean more.

02:04:26.229 --> 02:04:28.250
We do send a collection.

02:04:28.250 --> 02:04:30.750
Maybe we need to look for a different collection company

02:04:32.310 --> 02:04:34.729
that gives us better, you know, better service,

02:04:34.729 --> 02:04:39.729
but more pushes out to the customer that hasn't paid.

02:04:40.750 --> 02:04:43.729
We do send to Illinois Debt Recovery,

02:04:43.729 --> 02:04:48.270
and that takes from people's state refunds

02:04:48.270 --> 02:04:49.590
or state payments.

02:04:49.590 --> 02:04:51.329
We do do that.

02:04:51.329 --> 02:04:52.789
We do that regularly.

02:04:53.729 --> 02:04:56.729
We see the most payments back during tax season.

02:04:56.729 --> 02:04:59.770
But if someone does not pay into income tax

02:04:59.770 --> 02:05:02.189
or isn't employed by the state,

02:05:02.189 --> 02:05:04.289
they're not able to collect that way.

02:05:04.289 --> 02:05:06.010
If they move out of the state of Illinois,

02:05:06.010 --> 02:05:07.770
I'm not able to collect that way.

02:05:07.770 --> 02:05:10.590
The Illinois Debt Recovery only works in Illinois.

02:05:10.590 --> 02:05:14.409
So we are looking for more tools in the toolbox.

02:05:14.409 --> 02:05:18.170
And I would definitely be willing to, you know,

02:05:18.170 --> 02:05:24.569
get more options for us well then maybe that's the that's the key here when you find something

02:05:24.569 --> 02:05:32.489
that you want to bring to council for for better tools let us know definitely definitely darren

02:05:33.609 --> 02:05:39.930
from the public work standpoint the dynamic shift here changed when we when we you know

02:05:39.930 --> 02:05:44.890
don't have landlord water meters anymore and we have rental water meters that's part of the

02:05:44.890 --> 02:06:18.729
if there's no further discussion, Madam Clerk, please take the role. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? No.

02:06:18.729 --> 02:06:59.640
Are you voting? Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? No. Simmons? Aye. Parker? Aye. And Stacy? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. I have 5 to 2 for the resolution to be adopted. Item number 23 is the adoption of resolution 2024-129. Could you please read this? Resolution approving agreement to purchase

02:06:59.640 --> 02:07:03.640
Host Server for Police Department from CDWG.

02:07:03.640 --> 02:07:05.640
Director Suttman.

02:07:05.640 --> 02:07:09.640
Thank you. So this is for what we are calling a host server.

02:07:09.640 --> 02:07:14.640
It's one really big computer that through software will put many virtual servers on.

02:07:14.640 --> 02:07:20.640
The current host server at the police department is beyond its useful years.

02:07:20.640 --> 02:07:25.640
We've been able to patch it up and keep it going, but it's probably time to get a new one.

02:07:25.640 --> 02:07:51.640
The budget for this, it was budgeted for this fiscal year at 30,000. It's very close to that. It's at 29,700. It comes through the IT budget and this isn't just the hardware box, it's also the software and licensing to run these servers. I recommend approval and I'm happy to answer any questions.

02:07:51.640 --> 02:07:53.640
Is there a motion to adopt?

02:07:53.640 --> 02:07:54.640
Sarko.

02:07:54.640 --> 02:08:01.319
We have a motion made by Alderman Shadle, seconded by Alderman Klemm, Alderman Monroe, did you

02:08:01.319 --> 02:08:02.319
have something?

02:08:02.319 --> 02:08:03.920
I do, Madam Mayor.

02:08:03.920 --> 02:08:05.439
Thank you.

02:08:05.439 --> 02:08:10.399
Curt, when I look at this, I click on the link, it doesn't really show anything other

02:08:10.399 --> 02:08:14.640
than 128 gig of memory.

02:08:14.640 --> 02:08:20.720
Can you kind of describe what this server looks like as far as drives and arrays and

02:08:20.720 --> 02:08:21.720
so forth?

02:08:21.720 --> 02:08:27.960
Yeah, so by the time you put it in RAID, random access directories, it's come down to like

02:08:27.960 --> 02:08:31.479
12 terabytes, 11 or 12.

02:08:31.479 --> 02:08:36.340
But there's redundancies there, so if you have one drive fail, you can live put a new

02:08:36.340 --> 02:08:39.359
one in so you don't crash the whole system if one drive goes bad.

02:08:39.359 --> 02:08:44.079
It's also got RAM, it's probably increased the price because we have pretty good processors

02:08:44.079 --> 02:08:48.559
in it, because we do have a few applications that run on the server.

02:08:48.559 --> 02:08:51.680
So they'd be incredibly slow if it was just a storage box.

02:08:51.680 --> 02:08:52.680
Taylor.

02:08:52.680 --> 02:08:53.680
There's some processing power behind it too.

02:08:53.680 --> 02:08:58.920
And then you've got your server licensing and then you needed client access servers,

02:08:58.920 --> 02:09:02.199
which is super boring IT stuff, but you have to be able to have the computers have the

02:09:02.199 --> 02:09:05.840
right to connect and it raises the cost too.

02:09:05.840 --> 02:09:11.319
And as far as future proof, how long does this, because there's no information on here,

02:09:11.319 --> 02:09:16.760
I notice the support, it says five years, four hours support, 60 calls, I think that's

02:09:16.760 --> 02:09:18.039
supposed to say?

02:09:18.039 --> 02:09:19.440
I should have included it.

02:09:19.440 --> 02:09:21.239
They had just an Excel rundown.

02:09:21.239 --> 02:09:36.000
Okay. And what this comes with, four hour support 24 seven. So within four hours, they're supposed to be on site helping us. And that's for five years. So it comes with three.

02:09:36.000 --> 02:09:40.279
So it comes with three-year and then there's a two-year extended so that pretty much gets to the meat of its this new servers

02:09:40.579 --> 02:09:44.220
Useful life and then we kind of take it from them. Okay. Thank you

02:09:48.359 --> 02:09:50.359
Olman Sanders, yeah

02:09:50.520 --> 02:09:52.520
the pricing of this

02:09:52.560 --> 02:09:54.560
Who's all involved in?

02:09:56.319 --> 02:09:58.319
Given approval

02:09:58.800 --> 02:10:00.800
For

02:10:01.319 --> 02:10:03.199
For this particular

02:10:03.199 --> 02:10:08.560
Hardware. I should have mentioned that. It's a source well bid. So it's from based on the state contract

02:10:08.560 --> 02:10:14.399
just like when other departments buy a truck, a service truck, the state goes out for bid on servers.

02:10:14.960 --> 02:10:18.960
So that's why you're only seeing the one number instead of three bids or anything like that.

02:10:19.680 --> 02:10:24.239
And the specs were determined by me and Eric, the deputy director,

02:10:25.279 --> 02:10:29.920
and asked for them to provide us a source well quote for what we needed.

02:10:29.920 --> 02:10:56.170
No. What I'm looking for, the information from the developers who's developing this software where you're saying the state is involved. Is the state involved in this particular project? Do they have any say so in the matter, is what I'm getting at.

02:10:56.170 --> 02:11:09.170
The state's involved in determining the pricing of this. It's a main brand computer, a big computer, and the software is another big name brand.

02:11:09.170 --> 02:11:25.170
This particular type of software has not been put in the system for training. Is it up for training in all of these kinds of things?

02:11:25.170 --> 02:11:26.170
and Stacey.

02:11:26.170 --> 02:11:55.579
This is out of your control, but I wish this would have come to the council, I wish this

02:11:55.579 --> 02:12:03.739
This would have come to the council before this little ticket electronic gadget thing

02:12:03.739 --> 02:12:07.340
that's also costing the city money.

02:12:07.340 --> 02:12:11.260
I wish something of importance like this.

02:12:11.260 --> 02:12:17.899
Things have got to start being prioritized because you're saying they can't go without

02:12:17.899 --> 02:12:20.539
this.

02:12:20.539 --> 02:12:21.539
Correct.

02:12:21.539 --> 02:12:26.100
There would be security inefficiencies that would come from that.

02:12:26.100 --> 02:12:32.779
But that little electronic ticket gadget thing could have weighed it.

02:12:32.779 --> 02:12:34.680
That's out of your hands.

02:12:34.680 --> 02:12:36.819
That's more of an application and this is the infrastructure.

02:12:36.819 --> 02:12:37.819
I understand.

02:12:37.819 --> 02:12:43.649
But it's still more money.

02:12:43.649 --> 02:12:47.449
Anyone else for their first time speaking?

02:12:47.449 --> 02:12:48.449
Alderman Sanders?

02:12:48.449 --> 02:12:49.449
Yes.

02:12:49.449 --> 02:12:54.510
Again, Mr. Suttman.

02:12:54.510 --> 02:12:59.510
and the security apparatus for our networking system.

02:12:59.510 --> 02:13:08.510
Who's maintaining that officially other than outside servers or clouds or whatever the case may be,

02:13:08.510 --> 02:13:12.510
if that's the tool that we're using?

02:13:12.510 --> 02:13:20.510
Could you specify any other tools that are out there that protects our network security

02:13:20.510 --> 02:13:25.510
it comes to making sure all servers and police departments

02:13:26.109 --> 02:13:30.109
and all of these servers are efficiently used.

02:13:32.949 --> 02:13:34.470
Yeah, that's what I wanted to say.

02:13:34.470 --> 02:13:37.390
The security is handled by the IT department,

02:13:37.390 --> 02:13:41.569
plus we have other vendors that we have trust in.

02:13:42.630 --> 02:13:46.069
As far as specific items, I'd rather not really get

02:13:46.069 --> 02:13:49.189
into that because everybody can hear us,

02:14:21.220 --> 02:14:24.539
The resolution is adopted, 8 to 0.

02:14:24.539 --> 02:14:28.859
And item number 24, could you please read the approval of the bid?

02:14:28.859 --> 02:14:35.340
A bid opening was held on November 26, 2024 for 10 city-owned residential demolitions.

02:14:35.340 --> 02:14:37.340
Director Duckman.

02:14:37.340 --> 02:14:39.460
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

02:14:39.460 --> 02:14:45.960
The City of Freeport posted in the Journal Standard on November 17th for the demolition

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and asbestos abatement of 10 properties and it had a bid opening on November 26th at 9 in the morning.

02:14:53.000 --> 02:15:02.520
Staff received bids from four contractors and I provided an analysis of the bids that were submitted

02:15:02.520 --> 02:15:10.840
and based on that analysis, staff is recommending bids be awarded to Albert & Son, Northern Illinois

02:15:10.840 --> 02:15:17.079
Service, and Fisher Excavating, and its total amount of $105,430.

02:15:17.079 --> 02:15:23.279
And it breaks down where Alberin's son will be awarded $87,385

02:15:23.279 --> 02:15:25.279
for the demolition of 16 South Johana,

02:15:25.279 --> 02:15:29.399
17 South Johana, 16 East Winslow, 21 South Sherman,

02:15:29.399 --> 02:15:33.960
420 East Winnipeg, 615 South Float, 476 South Kenwood,

02:15:33.960 --> 02:15:35.920
and 824 South Liberty.

02:15:35.920 --> 02:15:41.079
Northern Illinois Services would receive $7,250

02:15:41.079 --> 02:15:44.000
for the demolition of 725 East Winnipeg.

02:15:44.000 --> 02:15:47.319
And Fisher Excavating would receive $10,795

02:15:47.319 --> 02:15:53.649
for the demolition of 121 North Wilbur.

02:15:53.649 --> 02:15:56.130
Is there a motion to approve the bids as stated?

02:15:56.130 --> 02:15:57.050
So moved.

02:15:57.050 --> 02:15:58.130
Second.

02:15:58.130 --> 02:16:02.050
A motion made by Alderman Klemm, seconded by Sellers.

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Discussion on the bids.

02:16:03.630 --> 02:16:04.489
Alderman Sanders.

02:16:04.489 --> 02:16:34.489
Because I'm looking at the highest bid, Albert and, who's that again now? Albert and? Son. In that contract, if we decide to let that bid go through by council, if they are selected, will they excavate to do

02:16:34.489 --> 02:16:35.489
Huffines.

02:16:35.489 --> 02:16:45.690
Do we do it on the property or do we do it at the main or the street itself?

02:16:45.690 --> 02:16:48.010
That's inspected and it's done at the property.

02:16:48.010 --> 02:16:54.450
Done at the property and so it's inspected and that way we know that it is something

02:16:54.450 --> 02:17:02.729
that has been capped off and that also makes sure that there's no, what I want to say,

02:17:02.729 --> 02:17:07.729
Deterioration with Water Services being disconnected

02:17:08.409 --> 02:17:10.209
from these properties.

02:17:10.209 --> 02:17:12.649
Yes, all proper, anytime there's a demolition,

02:17:12.649 --> 02:17:14.930
our public works team does inspections

02:17:14.930 --> 02:17:16.930
for water and sewer services.

02:17:16.930 --> 02:17:21.280
Okay, thank you.

02:17:21.280 --> 02:17:22.760
There's no further discussion.

02:17:22.760 --> 02:17:23.780
Alderman Stacey.

02:17:29.079 --> 02:17:34.819
Albert and Son, if I am not mistaken,

02:17:34.819 --> 02:17:43.280
I believe Mayor Miller, this is your family.

02:17:43.280 --> 02:17:53.280
it's a relative it's a relative okay are they equipped to move the asbestos how do you say it

02:17:53.280 --> 02:18:00.079
asbestos out of these buildings before are they just tearing everything down are they

02:18:00.639 --> 02:18:05.200
licensed and equipped it's all required it's all part of the requirement in the bid package

02:18:05.200 --> 02:18:11.520
that's all everything they do is reported to the IEPA it's all above board and none of the

02:18:11.520 --> 02:18:15.360
of the contractors on here, it's all subcontracted for the abatement of asbestos.

02:18:15.360 --> 02:18:18.399
It's all subcontracted?

02:18:18.399 --> 02:18:20.280
Subcontracted, correct.

02:18:20.280 --> 02:18:27.879
Some of these numbers were pretty far and few in between, like 4,000 and 7,000, and

02:18:27.879 --> 02:18:28.879
how is that?

02:18:28.879 --> 02:18:33.079
Well, I can explain that pretty easily.

02:18:33.079 --> 02:18:38.639
This is going to be 50 properties that the City of Freeport is going to demolish in 2024.

02:18:38.639 --> 02:18:39.639
Bates, and so on.

02:18:39.639 --> 02:18:41.719
So that's the most we've done in the three years since I've been here.

02:18:41.719 --> 02:18:46.459
And I can tell you that these companies are sharpening their pencils to try to win these

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bids.

02:18:48.040 --> 02:18:52.940
So what I notice is it kind of goes in waves.

02:18:52.940 --> 02:18:56.280
It probably means just working in the construction industry my whole life.

02:18:56.280 --> 02:18:59.659
I know that when a contractor is looking for work, they're going to sharpen their pencils

02:18:59.659 --> 02:19:02.040
and try to win some of these bids.

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That's pretty common in any industry, but I see it in the demolition industry as well.

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Albert and Son hasn't won very many in the last two I believe they've not won

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any. They've come in, they've bid and they just haven't been the low bidder and I

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know just when they when they come in in a lower bid like this they are

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trying to get they're trying to get the work. What number of a crew is it

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gonna take to tear down these houses? It's an excavator and somebody in a

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laborer usually. They don't I mean

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sponsors and our partners.

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We're not going to be able to do that.

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We're going to be using our paper, usually.

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They don't take much. You see what they look like.

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A lot of times they get knocked, you push them over, and they're

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done. They've been abandoned for a long time.

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I'd just like to make a request that any of the excavators that

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That's all my recommendation. Yes. Nice grass. Thank you. Will do. Thank you. Any other first-time?

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If not, Alderman Sanders? Yes.

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On top of that

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It's going to be a lot of empty property. Yes. In the event we're taking care of those, right?

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We're responsible for those properties and the seeding and the grass maintaining and all these other stuff to keep up the beautification.

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of those residential neighborhoods and whatever, wherever they're located that

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that is part of our requirement or is that just something part of our ordinance?

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That's one that is in our ordinance and it's the same eight-inch requirement.

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When it's eight inches, city staff goes around and mows it. Okay, okay, got you.

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Thank you. Madam Clerk, please take the roll. Shadle. Aye. Sanders. Aye. Sellers. Aye. Klemm.

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Monroe, Simmons, Parker, Stacey. The motion passes eight to zero. Reports of

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department heads, finance? Nothing, your honor. Thank you.

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Community development? Nothing tonight, Madam Mayor. Thank you. Public works? Nothing. Thank you. Fire? Yes, thank you, Madam Mayor. Over the

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Thanksgiving weekend holiday fire department was busy. Besides the several

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medical calls we responded to in a few car crashes, notable calls we had were

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two residential structure fires within a 24-hour time frame. Both of them at this

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time are believed to be cooking related. The first house had damage confined to one

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Wall, initiated with an outdoor cooking grill.

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The second house we had was a total loss.

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So my message to the public is please be careful cooking and make sure you have working smoke

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detectors in your dwelling.

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Police?

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Nothing from the police department.

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Thank you.

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IT?

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How can I help you tonight?

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City Manager. Just one thing, Your Honor. I just wanted to point out that the woodlot on Walnut

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Avenue is temporarily closed. We're working with the timber industries and I think we have a

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tentative understanding moving forward. So I don't, I can't give you a specific time, but I think

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we'll be able to move forward pretty soon here and have that reopened for everybody to access.

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I have nothing new to report. Alderman Shadle. I just would like to add on to Chief Miller's that

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if finances are tight we still install fire smoke alarms? Yes we do. Call Central

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Station and our staff will reach out to you and make an appointment to come in

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and install free working smoke detectors. Thank you. There's no reason not to.

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Alderman Sanders? Yeah, Director Boyer, I wanted to thank you for allowing me to understand

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what the process, what the finish line is going to look like on Adam Street. When it

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comes to the Watermain situation, I hope that it's all covered and taken care of. We have

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I don't know if we have a deadline for that or not, but if so, I would love for that to be shared with the council and the public as well when we have tentative expectations for that to happen.

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That's all I want to report is the fact that we're making head waves to get that finalized and that we will go through the finalizing of it.

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We're hoping to have it all paved by end of day Saturday of this week. We'll still have some dirt work that might spill over to the spring, but the rest of it should essentially be done.

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Thank you. Alderman Sellers.

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The only thing that I would like to, I would like us to add a fee to the ordinances that

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are not done correctly if we can work something out because if we're going to go after landlords

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for not doing what they're supposed to be doing and we need to make people follow the

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ordinances that we have on the books and if they're not following them, I think that we

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should put some kind of fine out there to let them know that you can't just do it and

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and then come back and then change it.

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So I would like to see something put on the books

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that there's a fine for that.

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We can work on like a penalty, you know,

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if you do things out of order, it's a classic thing

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where people will do something, sometimes unintentionally,

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and then they ask for forgiveness.

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So in those situations, most communities,

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as Wayne indicated, you know, they'll double the permit fee

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then if you have to do it out of order,

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something so we can look into bumping that up

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or something like that.

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I would like to see that.

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Okay, thank you.

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Coleman, Klemm, Nothing, Your Honor,

02:25:37.540 --> 02:25:39.540
Ollerman, Monroe, Nothing, Your Honor,

02:25:39.540 --> 02:25:41.540
Ollerman, Simmons,

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Ollerman, Park, Nothing, Your Honor,

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Ollerman, Stacy,

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$100 fine would be a slap on the hand.

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Maybe they need to consider putting up the little building that you suggested that they didn't want to do.

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And we'll move on to public comment.

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Anyone for public comment?

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Tommy.

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Jodi Miller, I'm going to the tournament on Saturday at Babu.

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Are you running?

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No, I'm making the basketball.

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Good for you, Tommy. We wish you the luck.

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Stacy, you did a good job.

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and John Dickman was about about that thing the Jersey mics. Jersey mics we're

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all excited about Jersey mics. It's coming hopefully. Is there any other

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public comments this evening? Thank you Madam Mayor and Council. First off thank

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you Alderman Sellers. I completely agree with the fines there that we need to do

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and

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Jodi.

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I'm going to give you a brief introduction to the

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process.

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By your votes tonight, you've sent a clear message to all of us

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here in Freeport that we are all, that we are free to act

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without asking for permission first and simply seek forgiveness

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later. Specifically, I'd like to address the case of Mr. and

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Huffines.

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According to current tax records, contributed $2,300 annually in property taxes.

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They followed the rules, asked for permission, and requested to install solar panels in their

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backyard.

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Yet, despite their compliance, their request was denied.

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However, shortly after, right after, you gave AVP Real Estate, based in St. Charles, Illinois,

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permission to ignore the same rules.

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This company purchased this land for $7,000 just 2 years ago, paying less than $300 annually

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in property taxes.

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What message does this send to our residents who follow the rules and contribute to the

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community?

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So I ask, if the Nelsons choose to go ahead and install those solar panels, are you going

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to show them the same grace and forgive them?

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Are there any other public comments?

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Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion for adjournment.

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So moved.

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Second.

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A motion made by Alderman Sellers, seconded by Alderman Shadle. All those in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Have a good evening.

02:28:37.899 --> 02:28:43.739
Thank you, sir.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.