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Good evening. In the absence of the mayor, I'd like to get us moving tonight. Who is here for invocation?

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Excuse me, we're calling the meeting to order.

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Linda Johnson?

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Are you doing the invocation tonight? Okay.

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As bow our heads, this is on 1st Peter 1, 3 through 5.

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Celebrate with praises the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who has shown us his extravagant mercy.

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For His formation of mercy has given us new life. We are reborn to experience a living energetic hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. We are reborn into a perfect inheritance that can never perish, never be defiled, and never diminish. It is promised and preserved forever in the heavenly realm for you. Through our faith, the mighty power of God constantly guards us until our full salvation is ready to be revealed in the last time. Thank you, Father, for your mercy.

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for your love over everyone here tonight and all in our city. May your peace abound as

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all things are discussed concerning the welfare of this city. Philippians 2.4, let all things

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be done without complaining or disputing. Philippians 2.3, let nothing be done through

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selfish ambition or conceit but in humility. Let each other esteem others better than himself.

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Let each one look not only to his own interests but also to the interests of others. In Jesus

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it is now 6.01 I will call this meeting to order for roll call as I mentioned

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Mayor Miller is absent Alderpersons, Klemm, Monroe, Simmons is absent

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Parker, Stacy, Shadle, Sanders, and Sellers. We do have a quorum so

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Alderperson, Shadle, would you say the Pledge of Allegiance please?

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Alderperson, Sellers has offered to chair the meeting tonight. Could I have a motion to that effect?

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So move. Second.

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Parker, and Shadle. I will call roll on that. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Does Sellers vote on herself?

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Yes. Yes, please. Oh, yes. Are you willing? Klemm? Aye. Monroe? Aye. And Parker? Aye. And Stacy? Aye.

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The motion passes 7-0. Alderperson Sellers, the chair position is yours.

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Miller.

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Good evening.

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Could I have a motion for the approval of the agenda, please?

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So moved.

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Second.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Aye.

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I missed the second, please.

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Who were you counting?

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Shadle on that?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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And then we had one, no.

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Okay.

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Is there approval?

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Could I have a motion for the approval of the minutes for the regular meeting of April

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7th, 2025?

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25. So moved. Second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Are there any public? We have one public comment on the agenda. It is Rhonda Scott. Good afternoon. I'm here to speak about the appointment of the Planning Commission people and the removal of one. I'm bringing this up because I served on the

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Miller.

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I feel it's a very important role in our community.

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And Joshua Atkinson also served on the Planning Commission.

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He was voted or recommended by Mayor Miller in April 2024, and you all voted for him.

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Then he ran for mayor because he thought, you know, boy, he could do a lot more if he

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could run for mayor.

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He didn't win, but, you know, 1,800 people from all of our wards had confidence in him.

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Then the mayor, after the election, she chose to appoint somebody else to the Planning Commission

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without telling Mr. Atkinson, without asking for his resignation.

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and then it came as a surprise when the council was recommending a new person and took a vote,

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come to find out, then she fires Mr. Atkinson at her leisure, you know, that's what can

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be done. But the problem is the person that she has chosen to be the replacement has a

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Kessler, and I think you all should be aware that somebody who's got not just a DUI, but

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he has, I don't know how to say it, it's embarrassing, he's got a violent record of, I can't think

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of what it's called, shoot, I'm sorry, it's slipping my mind and I had it all in my head.

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Anyway, he's got a public record and he hasn't it has not been resolved and I don't think this person should be

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Serving on the Planning Commission and I just think that he should be removed and

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I'm sorry. I couldn't remember what my thought was but

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That I can't I don't know the official charge but it was

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Choking a person

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So, you know when you're choking a person and you have a DUI

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You know, that's a serious offense. We shouldn't be having someone like that on our Planning Commission. We need somebody with a little bit higher character than that. Thank you.

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Okay, we'll move to the Consent Agenda.

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All items on the Consent Agenda are considered to be routine in nature and will be enacted in one motion unless a council member requests the item to be removed.

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Hearing none, the Consent Agenda. Yes, ma'am.

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I would make a motion that rearrange, rearrange the order of things. After item number 16, I would like to follow through with item 23.

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Joy.

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Oh, the attorney, I'm sorry.

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So we're on item number four now, which is the consent agenda.

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So that's like approval of the bills and... I apologize.

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That's a first. Stacy?

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So we've already done the approval of the agenda.

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Uh-huh. She voted no. And I voted no, but I did not realize that that was the time to voice...

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It's too late. So it's just, I'm just, SOL.

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Yep, SOL. I guess we have to follow the agenda with the consent agenda.

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The consent agenda consists of the approval to receive and place on file a Board and Commission

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of Minutes from Building Commission, May 15, and Whore Historic Preservation Commission,

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April 16, 2024, for both of those, Library Board, October 9, November 19, December 11,

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of 2024 and January 8th, February 19th and March 12th of 2020-2025. Fire pension board, October 30th,

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2024. Police pension board, October 30th, 2024. Foreign fire insurance board, February 13th, 2025.

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Liquor commission, March 13th, 2025. We have an Arbor Day proclamation dated April 25th, 2025,

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and police and fire department reports both dated March of 2025. Approval of finance bills payable in the amount of $2,479,364.37. Approval of payroll for pay period ending May 5th, 2025, totaling $675,619.51.

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Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda?

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Second. All in favor? Aye. Oh, roll call. I'm sorry. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? No. Parker? Aye. And Stacy? No. The consent agenda is approved five to two. Item number five is the second reading of the ordinance.

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Finance 2025-17 is amending the CTAF

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is amending the codified ordinance regarding residency requirements for

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certain positions. Is there a motion to? Thank you, Madam Chair. As we discussed

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at the 4-7 council meeting, it was discussed that certain positions should

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not be brought to the ordinance in terms of residency. The list is included in

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Packett. We've discussed that to some extent at this point. Many communities do

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no longer have a residency requirement that enables staff to fill vacant

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positions more easily and get higher qualified candidates and so staff is

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requesting counsel to move forward with this ordinance. Is there any discussion?

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Oh yeah, there's plenty of discussion. I just wanted to know who's gonna throw

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and John.

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I don't care what council member proceed to voice their opinion on this particular ordinance

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because I think it is pertinent to all council to chime in on this particular ordinance.

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I mean, it's an ordinance and I think with the fact that we're not doing justice with

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this ordinance, this ordinance seems like it has disappeared from the council because

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because there's no enthusiasm or encouragement about it or which direction the council wants

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to talk about or discuss about this particular matter. It is a matter. It's a problem, not

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just a matter, but it's a problem. And I think we went on this talk or discussion on last

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and I think this should not go through for a lot of various reasons and I think we should

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move we should move on since I'm looking at the council demeanor that it seems like we're

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just throwing a vote away for no purpose and no reason but I think what we should do is

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have another discussion on this particular ordinance so we can really get an understanding

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of what this ordinance represents and what has occurred since the last time we talked

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about this particular ordinance.

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And I think it would do the citizens of Freeport justice to hear from council members about

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and

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Michael.

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I want to talk about their expressions and opinions instead

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of being silent sitting here and not discussing a matter of why

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this ordinance is being asked of us to vote on.

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And so I just render my first one. I might have a second one

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coming up.

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you know this one is tougher than others but I will I will bring up the point again

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we have for many years now avoided following the rules of this city

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plain and simple we have a city manager who in my opinion has allowed this type of activity to go on

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he has done things that have violated other ordinances he doesn't believe in our ordinances

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Huffines.

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I know of a second one that will be filed shortly, and potentially a third one.

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This type of dereliction of duty at the highest levels of this city has said to the employers

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and employers of this city that they are not going to be able to do anything about it, and

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Fowler.

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I want to say that the highest levels of this city has said to the employees that the rules

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don't matter.

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We will play the rules based on who's our friends, who's not.

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And we don't want to be like the federal government, whoever's in power basically leverages the

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power against their competitor.

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Huffines.

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We have had plain and simple, we have had a couple of employees fired for less than this.

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And this city manager was on the delivering end of those dismissals.

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And now we're coming back to change the rules and we're doing it in the guise of saying,

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oh, this makes recruiting easier.

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And that's not always the case.

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We've thrown more money at it, we're changing the rules for it, we bend the rules, we don't

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follow the rules.

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And now we're saying, well, let's just change the rules so that way it's okay.

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And that's not the way that this should work.

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We have a curfew in the city, and if a 17-year-old or a 15-year-old kid is out past curfew, as

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has been the case in my neighborhood recently, with people going through cars and doing things

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Fowler.

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We want them held accountable.

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The same as we want our citizens that work for this city to be held accountable.

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It's not a hard thing to figure out.

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If you make it a place where people want to come to work and you make that work environment

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a matter in a manner that they enjoy coming to work, you don't need to change all these

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rules.

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and

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John, and they'll come to the council or they'll come to the

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department or they'll come to you and they'll ask for a waiver

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or something to say, let's let that happen. We do that all the

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time with building codes, with other things. But going about

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changing this rule just so we can cover up what's been

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happening for the last four to six years is insane. Because we

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We don't want to hold the people that work for the city to the same rules and standards

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that we ask our citizens to be held to.

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And I think that's the important piece of this on that part.

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But on the other part, we want the people who want to live here working in our community.

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It's no different than the Freeport School District.

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It's no different than Orangeville School District.

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If you want to live outside the city, then come up with something that says, look, we

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We are going to pay you less money if you live somewhere else.

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Give up something.

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I have to pay money for my son to go to Orangeville School District.

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I do it.

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And I have my reasons for doing it.

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But the rules are there to be followed.

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Not to be cast away by a city manager and a mayor who don't want to follow the rules.

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This is why we got drug problems in this city.

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Because we're not holding people accountable.

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Simple. I yield. Manager Boyer? Yeah I'd like to address that I don't know what

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you're talking about. I've hired two directors. Bryan has relocated to city

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limits and chief was hired by this council knowing he lived in Dakota and

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the reason why this residency doesn't work is because we cannot promote from

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within because people locate according to our resident our policies when they

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live outside of city limits but when they get up to a higher level we can't

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promote our good people because they've already established a life outside the

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city. This doesn't make any sense, Alderman Roe. I am sorry. I'm sorry. You do not

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understand this issue. Thank you.

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Alderman Sanders. Go ahead. Let him go. No, I get a person. Oh, I didn't see you. I'm sorry.

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I saw you. Okay, go ahead. When you say, Manager Boyer, that this was, Chief

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Shenberger was hired by this council and Mr. Monroe was a part of that vote, knowing that

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he did not live in the city and you voted for it.

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You're a very eloquent speaker, but there's no substance there.

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Okay, Sanders.

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Whatever occurred even during that voting process, I wasn't available.

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I can't recall myself voting for that.

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and nevertheless, the ordinance is the ordinance

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and people gotta be held accountable

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for making decisions on even the hiring practice

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of this particular ordinance.

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You cannot do hiring if the ordinance

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does not permit you to do so.

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If you have not the permission to do so,

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first of all, the ordinance stipulates exactly what it says.

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because you can't go above it and make your own rules and amend your own rules without

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and

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the

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law

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order.

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I have been talking about an ordinance.

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That first of all, does not work with the citizens of the city

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of Freeport

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because we have no data information for us as council

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Miller.

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Had anyone been seeking or to apply or was there a promotion put before the public for

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these particular positions?

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And we don't have that data.

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We're handed a bunch of information that's coming orally out of the mouths of individuals.

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Well, I like to see documentation myself.

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I like to see data.

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I like to see the fact that this process went through that particular motion, so without

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any of that, I just want to make sure that we understand that that ordinance, first of

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all, should never apply to hire anyone outside of the Residence of Freeport.

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that ordinance clearly states that you're not prohibited to hire outside of the city

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of Freeport but yet it was violated and I think there should be consequences for these

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types of actions, ordinances that are blatantly ignored, worked around, pushed through, disregarding

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and the citizens of Freeport that has to abide by these ordinances, and then we have a few

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who decide, well, we're going to ignore what the citizens of the city of Freeport really

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wants or what their opinions are or what their objections are or whatever the case is.

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So I think we're doing a disservice as council, directors, staff, and anyone else who doesn't

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and step up and speak up on these particular matters.

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You know, you're just as part of the decision making

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in the council, the people look forward to council

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to make the right decisions and making good decisions.

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This particular ordinance has a clear violation

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being imposed upon it.

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and I think this should not go forward.

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I don't even think we should be even sitting here

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discussing it.

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Resignations should be forthcoming

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and resignations should be delivered to council

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for the wrong purpose or the wrong procedure processing

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of out of state or out of city limits of residencies.

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Huffines.

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So I just think that that's what should happen and we should appeal to that.

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We should make sure that we voice our opinion because I tell you, we keep going down this

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road, other things are going to happen and the disapproval of the citizens of Freeport,

00:23:26.259 --> 00:23:29.220
we got to remember, we don't work for ourselves up here.

00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:34.619
We work for the citizens of Freeport and what our opinions and decision make matters to

00:23:34.619 --> 00:23:36.400
the people of Freeport.

00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:37.400
It really matters.

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and so your constituents look for you to be part of a organization or the city government

00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:53.000
that's making good decisions and we don't need all of this other backdoor stuff going

00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:54.000
on.

00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:55.000
So.

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Manager Boyer.

00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:01.880
Alderman Sanders, no one has been violating ordinances.

00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:06.960
We do our utmost to follow all the ordinance to the best of our ability.

00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:12.480
and it is not appreciated by you or anyone else to denigrate myself or the staff for

00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:16.599
not following the ordinances.

00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:17.599
So yeah.

00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:25.860
Well, I'll tell you, just from working for the city for 30 years and realizing you do

00:24:25.860 --> 00:24:30.880
want important positions like the chief, you do want the best person for it.

00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:34.799
He has done an excellent job and we've been in violation of that.

00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:36.480
This is going to fix that.

00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:41.880
is now going to fix the mistake or fix the issue and allow him to live where he is and

00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:44.319
still service as he's been doing.

00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:45.319
Thank you.

00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:46.319
Okay.

00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:49.360
I just, I would like to say something for a second.

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I know that when we hired chief, we were asked to do the, whatever, the gov, governor, government

00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:02.480
and so on.

00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:09.099
He's done everything and go on and look to pay $20,000 to go out and try to find somebody.

00:25:09.099 --> 00:25:16.360
And we had, we had him right here and we sat here and we voted yes.

00:25:16.360 --> 00:25:19.360
And he's done a dang good job on his job.

00:25:19.360 --> 00:25:23.480
He has put bridges back together that was broken down.

00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:30.759
And so he has done his job and he only lives in Dakota, which I can even go along with

00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:41.360
Stevenson County. But I just don't. Me, at this point, I would vote yes for this ordinance

00:25:41.360 --> 00:25:45.639
to go through. Okay. I mean, was it you? Okay.

00:25:45.639 --> 00:25:51.740
I just have a question for the attorney of clarification. If a staff member was hired

00:25:51.740 --> 00:25:56.139
with the knowledge that, you know, they weren't going to take the position unless people know

00:25:56.139 --> 00:26:02.339
Know that they are living outside of the city of Freeport, but yet they're approved then.

00:26:02.339 --> 00:26:05.420
That's an approval made by council, just like a variation, correct?

00:26:05.420 --> 00:26:17.730
In a particular situation, the council did approve the hire result.

00:26:17.730 --> 00:26:18.970
Thank you.

00:26:18.970 --> 00:26:24.490
So everybody's probably wondering at home, what are these definitions?

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What does this mean?

00:26:28.049 --> 00:26:38.049
So basically it goes through in the ordinances, I'll use the police for one instance, 240.31,

00:26:38.049 --> 00:26:40.569
residency requirement.

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There's a whole bunch of subsections, there's a lot of legal mumble-jumble, but here's the

00:26:46.170 --> 00:26:47.690
key.

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Residency is required each and every officer unless otherwise exempted by subsection C

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and his wife.

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And the chief of police is the deputy chief, the deputy chief

00:27:00.389 --> 00:27:02.389
of the police department, the deputy chief of the police

00:27:05.610 --> 00:27:07.610
department, the deputy chief below who is designated with the

00:27:08.930 --> 00:27:10.930
following rank and or title shall be a resident as that term

00:27:12.230 --> 00:27:14.230
is defined in subsection A thereof and shall maintain

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resident status during his or her period of employment.

00:27:18.730 --> 00:27:20.730
That's the deputy chief, that's the lieutenants of the police

00:27:21.750 --> 00:27:23.750
department, that's the sergeants of the police department,

00:27:23.970 --> 00:27:31.970
We follow the rules, and I've got a former chief of police going, well this will put us back in line so we're in line with the ordinance.

00:27:31.970 --> 00:27:36.970
They don't understand the hypocritical clown circus that that sounds like.

00:27:36.970 --> 00:27:44.970
And the problem is, is that all of us in this room are held accountable to the same set of rules.

00:27:44.970 --> 00:27:51.970
And this guy is the first one that will slap a foreclosure, or not a foreclosure, but a condemned,

00:27:51.970 --> 00:27:56.809
He'll have his guy put a condemn sign on your house the second it's out of you'll start getting fines

00:27:56.809 --> 00:27:59.970
you'll you you'll be coming in front of a committee in here and

00:28:00.889 --> 00:28:02.889
This is how he runs the city and

00:28:04.369 --> 00:28:09.089
He goes well guess what I've never broken the ordinances. I've appointed multiple people

00:28:09.569 --> 00:28:17.289
He's also fired somebody when he had somebody file a false report saying that that person violated a rule a safety rule

00:28:17.410 --> 00:28:19.410
within the Public Works Department and

00:28:19.410 --> 00:28:26.970
and now six months to a year later I found out that's not true. Also he could

00:28:26.970 --> 00:28:36.409
appoint his neighbor because he's following the ordinances and I am but

00:28:36.409 --> 00:28:43.610
I'm pointing out this man is a liar and he doesn't follow the ordinances.

00:28:43.610 --> 00:28:53.610
So, essentially, the rules are for all of us, but not for him, not for his buddies.

00:28:53.610 --> 00:28:59.610
And I agree that the Chief of Police, it was voted on. We as a council voted on him.

00:28:59.610 --> 00:29:05.610
All of these should come to the council. If you're going to go against this, who has the authority to hand out,

00:29:05.610 --> 00:29:11.049
and I have been appointed by the council to change this ordinance.

00:29:11.049 --> 00:29:19.049
We have now essentially an approval to go beyond this to get out of this rule and that's us, the council.

00:29:19.049 --> 00:29:26.049
And they've been appointing people to positions and expecting us to then come back and change this ordinance.

00:29:26.049 --> 00:29:31.049
And it doesn't even make sense.

00:29:31.049 --> 00:29:35.049
They had a six-month grace period, six months.

00:29:35.049 --> 00:29:37.049
and

00:29:38.289 --> 00:29:40.289
John.

00:29:41.730 --> 00:29:43.570
We are making it easier and easier and pushing people out of

00:29:43.570 --> 00:29:46.909
the city.

00:29:49.940 --> 00:29:51.940
And it is these types of things that do that.

00:29:53.179 --> 00:29:55.179
Plain and simple.

00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:58.400
Yeah.

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≫ If I may for a point of

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clarification, the

00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:07.490
There's a, there's a radius and they're all in compliance with that.

00:30:07.490 --> 00:30:08.569
Are there any other?

00:30:08.569 --> 00:30:10.690
Can you clarify that for us?

00:30:10.690 --> 00:30:14.089
What's the, I got to look up the section here, so.

00:30:14.089 --> 00:30:18.900
240.31.

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I don't lie.

00:30:30.740 --> 00:30:32.980
Attorney Zero, are you looking?

00:30:32.980 --> 00:30:39.329
Yeah.

00:30:39.329 --> 00:30:40.329
Okay.

00:30:40.329 --> 00:30:42.450
And there's a corresponding one for each of the departments.

00:30:42.450 --> 00:30:43.450
Right.

00:30:43.450 --> 00:30:44.450
So.

00:30:44.450 --> 00:30:45.450
Oops, sorry.

00:30:45.450 --> 00:31:18.259
so B1 says each and every officer unless exempted under subsection C shall live within shall have a residency and that's the deputy chief lieutenant sergeants but then the exemptions in C talk about C2 any officer holding a rank and or title listed in subsection B1 above which is the deputy chief lieutenants and sergeants prior to the effective date of this ordinance with established residency within 20 mile radius of the police station can maintain that residency

00:31:18.259 --> 00:32:02.730
Dicey, Dicey, Dicey, Dicey, Dicey, Dicey,

00:32:02.730 --> 00:32:20.000
knew, didn't know what all I was doing, but I was a willing vessel. However, it

00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:34.200
saddens my spirit to know that I cannot take the word of my leaders, that I cannot

00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:35.200
and John.

00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:40.160
We cannot trust that what they're doing is the right thing.

00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:43.920
Though none of us know all these ordinance.

00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:49.480
And if it's not explained that this time we're going to break the ordinance, that part isn't

00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:53.769
heard of.

00:32:53.769 --> 00:32:57.849
What's brought to the council is to vote Chief Shenberger in.

00:32:57.849 --> 00:33:00.490
And we did.

00:33:00.490 --> 00:33:06.420
Without knowing rules were being bent and broken.

00:33:06.420 --> 00:33:19.200
That just means we have more work to do from Friday after five till Monday because we cannot

00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:31.750
trust the leaders that's in charge to do the right thing.

00:33:31.750 --> 00:33:33.950
I don't know how else to say it.

00:33:33.950 --> 00:33:36.029
I did not know about this ordinance.

00:33:36.029 --> 00:33:41.700
I didn't know the stipulations.

00:33:41.700 --> 00:34:05.819
Settlers, and then maybe two years ago we would have been changing the rules instead

00:34:05.819 --> 00:34:08.420
of where we're at today.

00:34:08.420 --> 00:34:18.900
All depressive sellers, can I ask a clarification from the city attorney? What's the penalty

00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:22.220
for the violation of the ordinance?

00:34:22.220 --> 00:34:36.619
Let me take a quick look to see if it's even stated. E, violation pending, any officer

00:34:36.619 --> 00:34:41.139
violating the provision of this section is subject to the discipline of suspension without

00:34:41.139 --> 00:34:47.380
paying to the officers in compliance with the section or discharge slash termination.

00:34:47.380 --> 00:34:49.380
Are there any other discussion?

00:34:49.380 --> 00:34:54.380
Can you repeat that again?

00:34:54.380 --> 00:34:58.820
Penalty, any officer violating any provision of this section is subject to the discipline

00:34:58.820 --> 00:35:03.619
of suspension without pay until the officer is in compliance with this section or discharge

00:35:03.619 --> 00:35:04.619
slash termination.

00:35:04.619 --> 00:35:07.320
Alderman Shadle.

00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:08.320
Thank you.

00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:19.159
At the time that we were discussing hiring Chief Shenberger, the fact that he lived outside

00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:24.820
the city was discussed and it was discussed that there was an ordinance saying that he

00:35:24.820 --> 00:35:29.579
he had to live in and that he had said he would not move within the city.

00:35:29.579 --> 00:35:37.099
And we as a council, with the understanding that this would come up in the future to change

00:35:37.099 --> 00:35:44.119
this ordinance, we as a council voted to hire Chief Shenberger.

00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:52.840
You can hold the minutes if you want to, but it was discussed and it was understood by

00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:59.199
By myself at any rate and we hired the man and it was with the understanding that this

00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:07.800
ordinance would be changed and for whatever reason it hasn't come up till now but here

00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:11.840
it is.

00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:14.559
Are there any other ones that have not spoken?

00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:16.840
Do they want to speak?

00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:17.840
If not is there a motion?

00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:18.840
I do.

00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:20.480
Oh okay.

00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:30.360
I just want to understand you Alderman Shadle. So do I understand you to be saying it was

00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:43.079
clearly said that he would not be moving to town and that the ordinance was discussed

00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:52.079
and we still voted him in knowing that it was all in violation.

00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:59.220
Yes, go ahead.

00:36:59.220 --> 00:37:00.900
He wants to respond to me.

00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:02.900
Well, he did speak two times.

00:37:02.900 --> 00:37:04.340
I know, but he's...

00:37:04.340 --> 00:37:06.340
So we got to follow the rules.

00:37:06.340 --> 00:37:07.340
Yep.

00:37:07.340 --> 00:37:08.340
That's fine.

00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:09.340
Yeah.

00:37:09.340 --> 00:37:10.340
He spoke twice because...

00:37:10.340 --> 00:37:11.340
But then I have no answer.

00:37:11.340 --> 00:37:15.139
Right, but Alderman Sanders wanted to speak again, too, and we didn't let him, so...

00:37:15.139 --> 00:37:17.739
but it was not an answer to the question.

00:37:17.739 --> 00:37:22.639
He's trying to answer my question.

00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:26.420
I asked the question.

00:37:26.420 --> 00:37:29.579
Is there, how do we handle that?

00:37:29.579 --> 00:37:33.720
If, under our rules, if someone wants to speak a third time,

00:37:33.720 --> 00:37:35.320
the council has to unanimously vote

00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:36.940
to let them speak a third time.

00:37:36.940 --> 00:37:39.720
Okay, is there a motion that we let

00:37:39.720 --> 00:37:42.000
Alderman Shadle speak a third time?

00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:44.340
I make a motion.

00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:45.320
I'll second that.

00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:46.960
Okay.

00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:48.320
So will you call the roll?

00:37:48.720 --> 00:38:05.720
Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? Aye. Simmons? Parker? Aye. And Stacy? Aye. And it is unanimous. Okay, Shadle. Thank you.

00:38:05.720 --> 00:38:06.720
Miller.

00:38:06.720 --> 00:38:13.679
Yes, it was, as I stated, it was discussed and it was understood, I thought, by everybody

00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:25.279
present, but we were all there and the understanding, the way I recall, is that this ordinance would

00:38:25.279 --> 00:38:36.920
get changed and for whatever reason, it has not come up till now and here we are.

00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:46.170
okay and this is the second reading so we will take a motion I I would like to

00:38:46.170 --> 00:38:53.710
make a motion that we take a recess and have the the clerk retrieve those meeting

00:38:53.710 --> 00:38:59.029
minutes because I don't remember that I don't remember that we were just gonna

00:38:59.029 --> 00:39:00.029
and John.

00:39:00.029 --> 00:39:04.750
And then in the next couple of weeks, we're going to change this rule, and I quite honestly

00:39:04.750 --> 00:39:08.860
think that it's ludicrous.

00:39:08.860 --> 00:39:09.860
Second.

00:39:09.860 --> 00:39:14.679
Oh, Audamin Clam.

00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:21.119
Just so you know, to take a little pressure off of Chief Shenberger, this isn't the first

00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:22.119
time it's been done.

00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.960
It's been done for Todd Barclow.

00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:27.960
Todd Barclow was police chief two times ago.

00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.119
Todd Barkelo lived in Forreston.

00:39:31.179 --> 00:39:34.639
It came up to hire a chief of police

00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.480
and everybody was in agreement at that time

00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.199
to let him live in Forreston for that period of time.

00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:43.519
And to stay there, he had built a new house there,

00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:47.500
had no intention to build another house in Freeport.

00:39:47.500 --> 00:39:50.360
So this is not the first time it happened.

00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:54.239
So if you think you're not only the four people, it's-

00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:59.119
you're not only the four people that sat there and voted somebody in it's happened before it was

00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:07.519
chosen a week and it was a good choice to choose people within our within our department rather

00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:13.519
than to spend $20,000 and go out and try and find somebody else that was the decisions at the time.

00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.769
Clemson.

00:40:15.769 --> 00:40:16.769
Atty.

00:40:16.769 --> 00:40:17.769
Zero.

00:40:17.769 --> 00:40:24.289
So we have a motion and a second about a recess.

00:40:24.289 --> 00:40:29.090
So that's what's on the table right now is just to talk about whether or not the council

00:40:29.090 --> 00:40:34.650
should take a short recess per all the Monroe's requests to allow the clerk to go pull the

00:40:34.650 --> 00:40:38.650
minutes from that prior meeting, I guess.

00:40:38.650 --> 00:40:40.570
May I?

00:40:40.570 --> 00:40:41.570
Yes.

00:40:41.570 --> 00:40:46.690
Without a date, it will take quite a while to find open session minutes.

00:40:46.690 --> 00:40:55.570
I have not typed closed session minutes from around the time he was hired.

00:40:55.570 --> 00:41:00.530
Closed session minutes probably should not be disclosed in open session anyway.

00:41:00.530 --> 00:41:06.250
But don't we have a date when he was on the agenda for him to be hired?

00:41:06.250 --> 00:41:07.610
I don't know when that was.

00:41:07.610 --> 00:41:16.090
State, Chief Shenberger, and June? June of what year? 23. That wouldn't take too terribly

00:41:16.090 --> 00:41:23.969
long. So we're saying that we'd like to just turn this over to another council meeting?

00:41:23.969 --> 00:41:33.090
No. What? No. Alderman Monroe's motion is to take a short recess, so a pause in this

00:41:33.090 --> 00:41:34.090
Huffines.

00:41:34.090 --> 00:41:37.050
So, I think we need to have a recess meeting so that the clerk can go find that set of minutes

00:41:37.050 --> 00:41:40.369
that's been, that was a motion that was made to recess.

00:41:40.369 --> 00:41:41.369
It's been seconded.

00:41:41.369 --> 00:41:45.969
If there's no further discussion, then the council needs to vote on whether or not to

00:41:45.969 --> 00:41:51.260
take the recess.

00:41:51.260 --> 00:41:54.940
So is there, I mean, there was a first and a second, right?

00:41:54.940 --> 00:41:55.940
To have it.

00:41:55.940 --> 00:41:56.940
To vote?

00:41:56.940 --> 00:41:57.940
Okay.

00:41:57.940 --> 00:42:02.340
Has everybody had a chance to discuss that once too?

00:42:02.340 --> 00:42:03.340
Everybody.

00:42:03.340 --> 00:42:04.340
Yep.

00:42:04.340 --> 00:42:05.340
Yeah.

00:42:05.340 --> 00:42:07.340
and I.

00:42:09.340 --> 00:42:11.340
We have a motion to recess.

00:42:13.340 --> 00:42:15.340
Can I inject something while we are on this subject?

00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:19.340
No, no, we have to stay right here.

00:42:21.340 --> 00:42:23.340
I'm not leaving.

00:42:25.340 --> 00:42:27.340
I want to make sure if we are going to ask for the minutes in

00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:31.340
regards to Chief

00:42:31.340 --> 00:42:35.679
Bates, and John, and I think we have to have the same

00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:37.719
applications that hired.

00:42:37.739 --> 00:42:41.480
We need those minutes as well because they have to have the

00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:47.559
same scrutiny upon the hiring practices that we have done,

00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:53.000
whether we need to hear the minutes on the processing of how

00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:57.039
we went about this.

00:42:57.059 --> 00:43:01.239
While you're doing Shenberger's, we need the...

00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:07.380
That's what we're, that's what we're going, that's not the motion. We got to stay with what the motion is.

00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:21.050
Yes. Yeah. Okay. So, um, do you want to do a roll call on that? Shadle? No. Sanders? Yes. Sellers? No. Klemm? No. Monroe? Aye.

00:43:21.050 --> 00:43:36.119
Parker? No. And Stacy? Aye. Uh, the motion fails three to four. Okay, let's move on. Is it with the second reading, do we just wait for the adoption then?

00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:45.599
I make a motion that we move this to the make how then until we can get this

00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:55.079
information that we're asking for that felt right now that this be held up a

00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:58.840
couple more weeks and gonna make a difference since it's been held up for

00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:09.420
for five, six years so that we can get this information and that we could totally understand

00:44:09.420 --> 00:44:20.039
what have and has not been happening and what needs to happen for everybody to be successful.

00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.360
So I would like to move this to the May cow.

00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.980
Seconded.

00:44:25.980 --> 00:44:26.980
God bless.

00:44:26.980 --> 00:44:36.380
Thomas. It's been moved and second for the moving this to the to the May-Cow. Is there

00:44:36.380 --> 00:44:42.779
a motion? There was a motion. That was so. May I speak? Yes. I just wanted to note that

00:44:42.779 --> 00:44:46.739
this has already gone through to two committee of the whole meetings. Just just pointing

00:44:46.739 --> 00:44:56.000
that out. Yes, it has. I guess my question is, if it's went through two committee meeting

00:44:56.000 --> 00:45:03.320
Kowell meetings, and we've talked about this for, this is, yeah, but I'm saying, nobody,

00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.519
are you going to pull, are you going to pull it?

00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:07.000
Usually when we have a motion and a second.

00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.000
So there's a discussion, right, this is discussion on the motion.

00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.760
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, I'm doing discussion on the motion.

00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:19.199
If we went through the, a Kowell twice, and we've had this on the agenda, this is the

00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.599
second reading.

00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:28.800
I just want to know what more information or why aren't we calling in or going in and getting

00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:34.119
the information that we need so we don't have to keep going through the process so we can

00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:39.639
move on with the whole process and move on to the next thing.

00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:40.800
Yes.

00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:48.360
I don't know that it's been two cows because this just came up for first reading April

00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:49.360
the 7th.

00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:51.360
and

00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:55.360
John.

00:45:56.779 --> 00:45:58.779
And then we had the, excuse me?

00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.079
Yes, 310 and 414. Okay.

00:46:04.579 --> 00:46:06.480
But everything that's been revealed tonight, things that's

00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:13.260
been asked for tonight, what's not even revealed and asked for

00:46:13.260 --> 00:46:15.260
at 310 and 417.

00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.220
So we still, we still lay without, no, it has not been

00:46:22.220 --> 00:46:25.220
Huffines.

00:46:25.220 --> 00:46:29.860
I was talking, so when you're saying for something, I don't know.

00:46:29.860 --> 00:46:30.860
Okay.

00:46:30.860 --> 00:46:33.699
But I can hear you.

00:46:33.699 --> 00:46:35.860
And it's like you're talking over me.

00:46:35.860 --> 00:46:36.860
No, I'm not.

00:46:36.860 --> 00:46:37.860
I'm not.

00:46:37.860 --> 00:46:38.860
Because you can't.

00:46:38.860 --> 00:46:39.860
But...

00:46:39.860 --> 00:46:40.860
Because you can't?

00:46:40.860 --> 00:46:41.860
What did that mean?

00:46:41.860 --> 00:46:47.199
Come on with your process, what you got to talk about so we can move on to the next one.

00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.579
My process is that a motion have been made and seconded.

00:46:50.579 --> 00:46:51.579
Right.

00:46:51.579 --> 00:46:52.579
Miller.

00:46:52.579 --> 00:46:55.980
So we're waiting for who wants to take the role.

00:46:55.980 --> 00:47:00.619
So Monroe is, oh, you got more, yes.

00:47:00.619 --> 00:47:07.500
So basically we've asked for multiple times and, and I've asked the city manager for this.

00:47:07.500 --> 00:47:09.820
How many people does it affect?

00:47:09.820 --> 00:47:13.779
Which we've gotten half truths on that.

00:47:13.779 --> 00:47:15.960
We've got one person living outside the state.

00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:19.519
We know that I've done some digging on my own.

00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:26.139
We've got several people that are outside the limits as is in the ordinance.

00:47:26.139 --> 00:47:30.760
So the question is, we don't know how many people it affects.

00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:36.159
Quite honestly, those people could have been suspended for not from the six month point

00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:39.500
after accepting the position to now.

00:47:39.500 --> 00:47:41.380
And none of that was done.

00:47:41.380 --> 00:47:43.300
We don't know any of this information.

00:47:43.300 --> 00:47:44.820
This could affect nobody.

00:47:44.820 --> 00:47:46.779
We don't know.

00:47:46.779 --> 00:47:51.220
We can affect just the chief, for all I know, and quite honestly, I think all of us would

00:47:51.220 --> 00:47:52.420
have been okay.

00:47:52.420 --> 00:47:55.619
But the problem is, is we keep asking the same questions over and over again, trying

00:47:55.619 --> 00:47:57.820
to get answers, and those aren't happening.

00:47:57.820 --> 00:48:03.779
And your statement that we should call in and ask, I'm still waiting on three things

00:48:03.779 --> 00:48:08.960
that I've asked for, for over two, almost three weeks now, and one I asked for last

00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:14.300
week has been delayed, because it's much more cumbersome to pull the data.

00:48:14.300 --> 00:48:15.300
Fowler.

00:48:15.300 --> 00:48:23.980
But plain and simple, it's not unfair to ask for this type of information to put it forward

00:48:23.980 --> 00:48:28.420
and to find out, you know, really, is there anything to this?

00:48:28.420 --> 00:48:34.220
Nobody knows because we keep getting kind of stonewalled, if you will.

00:48:34.220 --> 00:48:49.970
Yeah, I just don't want it to have the perception of council allowing things to be passive.

00:48:49.970 --> 00:49:01.789
The way that I hear people's opinions and their comments and their remarks lead us to

00:49:01.789 --> 00:49:07.110
to believe that we'd rather be passive about an ordinance that's in effect, that can be

00:49:07.110 --> 00:49:11.389
affecting everyone here in this city.

00:49:11.389 --> 00:49:18.789
And to my listening ear, that's exactly what I feel that is what's happening and that shouldn't

00:49:18.789 --> 00:49:25.869
be something I'm having this thing where we're doing injustice to the citizens of Freeport

00:49:25.869 --> 00:49:32.949
by being passive of ordinances without any consequences for violating ordinances.

00:49:32.949 --> 00:49:36.750
And we need to get right down to the bottom of it.

00:49:36.750 --> 00:49:46.889
What's the process, what's the next move that needs to be made for those that are causing

00:49:46.889 --> 00:49:51.750
consequences of ordinances and violations of ordinances?

00:49:51.750 --> 00:49:52.250
We need-

00:49:52.250 --> 00:49:53.440
We need that to be spelled out.

00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:56.760
That's the reason why we're requesting data information

00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:59.480
and not verbal information.

00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:03.239
Everything that we're talking about should be documented,

00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:08.239
should have printouts where we can go along,

00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:11.639
follow the narratives of everything

00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:15.199
that is being talked about even on today or before.

00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:20.199
We had come in to talk about this during our agenda time.

00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:25.400
So my thing is, it's poor service to the council

00:50:25.500 --> 00:50:28.760
when we're not sitting here with data information

00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.840
and then everyone is assuming we're guessing

00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:36.739
about what happened this particular day and that day.

00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.000
HR could have spilled all of that out for us

00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:42.239
for time dates and all of these kinds of things.

00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:46.880
and I made those requests that I have these applications

00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:49.440
of people that are getting hired,

00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:51.559
I wanted them in my files,

00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.159
I wanted to be able to read them

00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:58.880
to see when the time date of hiring practice took place

00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.800
for non-residencies of Freeport.

00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:04.599
And I still have not received those documents

00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:06.719
nor the recording procedures.

00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.519
And so that is another problem.

00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:16.519
we're not we're not being responsible for getting the additional request

00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:22.980
information to council and we have to stay on topic with the well with the cow

00:51:22.980 --> 00:51:30.739
being all this going to the cow so is there you want to read the motion we

00:51:30.739 --> 00:51:35.519
have a motion to move to the may cow ready for a roll call

00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:47.159
Shadle? No. Sanders? Yes. Sellers? No. Klemm? No. Monroe? Yes. Parker? No. Stacy? Yes. The

00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:58.409
motion fails four to three. So now you're at the second reading on the

00:51:58.409 --> 00:52:03.809
underlying motion. And is this a two-thirds vote? No. Just a majority vote.

00:52:03.809 --> 00:52:12.500
So now we're we're back at the second reading of the ordinance. Correct.

00:52:12.500 --> 00:52:42.500
Are you ready for the roll call then? Go ahead. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? No. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? No. Parker? Aye. And Stacey? No. The motion passes for the ordinance passes four to three. Oh, motion fails. I have four yeas and three nays.

00:52:42.500 --> 00:52:44.500
and

00:52:45.699 --> 00:52:47.699
John.

00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.119
You are right. I'm so sorry. I forgot that one.

00:52:54.619 --> 00:52:56.619
Okay. So now we move that to

00:52:57.739 --> 00:52:59.739
. It will go back to

00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:02.840
. That's it. You move on to the next agenda item.

00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:07.960
Item number 6, second reading of ordinance 2025-

00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:08.960
Huffines.

00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:09.960
Thank you.

00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:11.400
The next item is the ordinance amending various parts of City of Freeport Code of Ordinances

00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:17.480
regarding the regulation of wells and septic systems.

00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:20.480
That will be presented by Darren Steckel.

00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:22.360
Yes.

00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:26.900
Thank you.

00:53:26.900 --> 00:53:31.219
This is the fourth meeting that this item has come to.

00:53:31.219 --> 00:53:36.460
It's amending the ordinance for wells and septics within the City of Freeport.

00:53:36.460 --> 00:53:44.619
At the last meeting, Mr. Sanders asked for more data, so we put four attachments in here.

00:53:44.619 --> 00:53:50.739
One was the memo and three attachments, an EPA advertisement asking for ordinances relating

00:53:50.739 --> 00:53:55.300
to well and septic protection within the city.

00:53:55.300 --> 00:54:00.780
And since it's the fourth meeting, I will take any questions on this, but we've reviewed

00:54:00.780 --> 00:54:01.780
it.

00:54:01.780 --> 00:54:09.619
WWA supports it, IEPA supports it, the Illinois Department of Public Health supports it, and

00:54:09.619 --> 00:54:10.940
so should the City of Freeport.

00:54:10.940 --> 00:54:17.420
This is for the protection of our water and well water that we drink every day.

00:54:17.420 --> 00:54:19.739
Is there a motion to accept?

00:54:19.739 --> 00:54:20.739
Nope.

00:54:20.739 --> 00:54:21.739
No, he just wants to comment.

00:54:21.739 --> 00:54:24.739
This is the second reading, so it's just discussion.

00:54:24.739 --> 00:54:27.739
Sanders, go ahead.

00:54:27.739 --> 00:54:36.809
question well not a question but well I guess it will roll into a question

00:54:36.809 --> 00:54:45.130
eventually this there's various there's variations of things that have been

00:54:45.130 --> 00:54:53.250
brought to my attention in regards to the project of implementing a well and

00:54:53.250 --> 00:55:06.690
Ceptic Evaluation Survey or whatever that you have done to come to the decision or the

00:55:06.690 --> 00:55:12.610
reason for us introducing the new well and all of these things.

00:55:12.610 --> 00:55:20.130
I understand that we have not seeked out the area for contamination.

00:55:20.130 --> 00:55:27.050
We have not done any of surveys for the proper installment of the well to determine whether

00:55:27.050 --> 00:55:39.170
or not there have been any research for the installation of a well and the septics that

00:55:39.170 --> 00:55:46.550
may be possibly around it to determine if there's any contamination with even the installation

00:55:46.550 --> 00:55:48.289
of those wells.

00:55:48.289 --> 00:55:56.889
and then I also wanted to learn something about where's this money coming from to do the implementations

00:55:56.889 --> 00:56:05.409
of these wells and septics and the whole project. I like to know where's the money, where's

00:56:05.409 --> 00:56:18.210
the money's at, who's funding this project, whether there's grants, whether there's

00:56:18.210 --> 00:56:48.210
anything that is in our budget that cause I saw in here where something talked about 20 million dollars to do this operation that is that if I stand corrected if I'm not if I if I read this wrong then you know I will read it again but the thing about it is I'd like to know where this money coming from how did we get to to

00:56:48.210 --> 00:56:49.210
and so on.

00:56:49.210 --> 00:56:55.090
So I'm wondering how this place and how do we discuss this matter, where the money come

00:56:55.090 --> 00:57:01.690
from and how we come up with this budget to put in a new well, a new project.

00:57:01.690 --> 00:57:04.809
I'll try to answer you.

00:57:04.809 --> 00:57:10.449
So there is no contamination, so I'm not sure what you're speaking of.

00:57:10.449 --> 00:57:16.369
The well systems, the water systems in this community are safe.

00:57:16.369 --> 00:57:24.369
is an ordinance only to establish a protection zone in the city limits for our drinking water.

00:57:24.369 --> 00:57:29.449
The number referenced in the memo is the amount of money that we have been spending on our

00:57:29.449 --> 00:57:30.909
well systems.

00:57:30.909 --> 00:57:38.050
We designed and built well 11 and we're in the process of bidding well 12 right now.

00:57:38.050 --> 00:57:39.929
We've discussed that at the last meetings.

00:57:39.929 --> 00:57:44.929
There's $13 million worth of funding towards that project and the rest of it will be paid

00:57:44.929 --> 00:57:50.529
Boyer by the residents of Freeport for Well 12. Again, the discussion and the memo referenced

00:57:51.250 --> 00:57:59.250
protecting our established drinking water within the city for 23,600 residents.

00:57:59.250 --> 00:58:05.570
There is no contamination that we're avoiding. There's no funding for this project. This is

00:58:05.570 --> 00:58:11.090
just an ordinance and it would go into place. We already have ordinance on the book in separate

00:58:11.090 --> 00:58:13.090
We have to get this to work.

00:58:13.090 --> 00:58:15.090
We have to get this to work.

00:58:15.090 --> 00:58:17.090
We have to get this to work.

00:58:17.090 --> 00:58:19.090
We need to get this to work.

00:58:19.090 --> 00:58:21.090
We need to get this to work.

00:58:21.090 --> 00:58:26.090
So we need to go to different locations within the City of Freeport that we don't allow wells and we don't allow septics.

00:58:26.090 --> 00:58:33.090
This is bringing it full circle so it's easy for anybody to find in the community.

00:58:33.090 --> 00:58:35.090
Illinois EPA is requesting that we do this.

00:58:35.090 --> 00:58:37.090
Illinois Department of Public Health is asking that we do this.

00:58:37.090 --> 00:58:38.090
Fowler.

00:58:38.090 --> 00:58:40.670
I provided all that with the memo.

00:58:40.670 --> 00:58:45.809
So all of the documentation there, all this is saying is nobody can drill a well or put

00:58:45.809 --> 00:58:51.750
a septic in that already doesn't have one in the city unless the city of Freeport authorizes

00:58:51.750 --> 00:58:56.409
that, which we would not if water is available to them or sewer is available to them.

00:58:56.409 --> 00:58:57.970
That is all that this does.

00:58:57.970 --> 00:59:02.050
Okay, I'd like to- Just a second.

00:59:02.050 --> 00:59:07.050
Yeah, I'd like to- But wait, we gotta let Alderman Stacey-

00:59:07.050 --> 00:59:19.000
Are you saying that we are in violation?

00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:25.279
We are not in violation, but the source water protection plan that is required by Title

00:59:25.279 --> 00:59:31.960
35 requests that all communities, and it went, it's a tiered system based on how many people

00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:37.440
we have in our community, and it's in 2025, we're supposed to establish a well and septic

00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:49.960
Well, that is all we are doing here. We already have this on the books. It's clarifying it for everybody.

00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:53.960
It's clarifying it for everybody so it's a living document that we can send to all the

00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:58.000
state agencies saying we are already doing this, here's our document.

00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.280
So source water protection is so great.

01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:05.639
Anybody that listens to the news, there's water issues all over the country.

01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:10.599
There's billions and trillions of dollars being spent on clean source water.

01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:15.079
We have had source water issues in Freeport, so we're trying to protect our investments

01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:18.440
So we don't end up right where we started from at the beginning of this.

01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:23.360
So again, this this doesn't really hurt anyone at Freeport.

01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:28.360
We Cecelia, you called me today and you asked me about a particular street.

01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:33.760
If water is available on that street and a gentleman or lady has a well,

01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:36.559
they will not get a permit to renew that well.

01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:38.639
They will be asked to connect to city water.

01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:42.800
And my example is if there's already water on those streets,

01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:46.800
We're going to use city water to protect their house or the neighbors houses.

01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:51.800
If they don't pay into the system and contribute to the system, they're still going to get fire protection.

01:00:51.800 --> 01:01:02.800
We also already backed this up with ready to serve fees for people that as we place new water in areas that people have that time free to connect or they have to pay charges in the future.

01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:08.800
We've already done lots of ordinances that are going to be paid to the neighbors houses.

01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:10.719
or they have to pay charges in the future.

01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:13.079
We've already done lots of ordinances

01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:15.559
that we're building to the source water protection.

01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:19.840
You can ask Attorney Zito, I'm sure this is very familiar

01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:21.940
in every community we're dealing with.

01:01:21.940 --> 01:01:24.480
This is just the next step in the process.

01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:28.119
I provided all the backups from AWWA,

01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:31.659
the EPA memo requesting that every community

01:01:31.659 --> 01:01:33.380
provide setback protection.

01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:37.780
I also provided the Title 35 documents,

01:01:37.780 --> 01:01:40.539
which is, that's the living guideline for water systems.

01:01:40.539 --> 01:01:42.760
You have to meet those conditions

01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.699
in order to serve public water to residents.

01:01:45.699 --> 01:01:50.599
That is the Bible that all water systems in Illinois run by.

01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:51.980
And it depends on your size.

01:01:51.980 --> 01:01:54.539
There's different rules for different size communities

01:01:54.539 --> 01:01:57.539
based on how many people you're serving, right?

01:01:57.539 --> 01:02:01.500
So as long as their well is working.

01:02:01.500 --> 01:02:02.460
Their grandfathered in.

01:02:02.460 --> 01:02:03.900
Their grandfathered in.

01:02:03.900 --> 01:02:06.460
But if that well was to stop

01:02:06.460 --> 01:02:14.500
and they had access to city water we would not permit they would not have a

01:02:14.500 --> 01:02:22.460
choice but to connect to connect yes and that being said people should know that

01:02:22.460 --> 01:02:26.500
there are not that many wells that exist within the city of Freeport any longer

01:02:26.500 --> 01:02:31.099
as we've built out the water main systems people have connected there's

01:02:31.099 --> 01:02:32.940
We're still a few out there.

01:02:32.940 --> 01:02:37.539
It's also illegal to have well water and city water at the same time.

01:02:37.539 --> 01:02:39.300
That's called a cross connection.

01:02:39.300 --> 01:02:44.099
And EPA does not allow that because if somebody had contaminants in the well, it could be

01:02:44.099 --> 01:02:46.219
sucked back into the potter water system.

01:02:46.219 --> 01:02:53.579
So you should just know that as we have done Bradmar in town, we've made all those connections

01:02:53.579 --> 01:02:55.019
to available to people.

01:02:55.019 --> 01:02:57.659
That was an area that it wasn't fully serviced before.

01:02:57.659 --> 01:03:00.699
That is our mission here is to fully serve our community.

01:03:00.699 --> 01:03:05.579
Right now we have, I'm going to call it two donut holes that we would have trouble servicing

01:03:05.579 --> 01:03:11.679
with water and one is the westward open Bible expansion that direction.

01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:15.619
We would have trouble serving that without an extension and the other one is the woodside

01:03:15.619 --> 01:03:18.139
drive area because of all the trees and networks.

01:03:18.139 --> 01:03:22.760
We don't have a water system or a sewer system that extends all the way through the woods.

01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:24.760
The city's never invested in that.

01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:26.239
So there's two areas.

01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:28.860
Everywhere else in town I believe we can service.

01:03:28.860 --> 01:03:37.380
okay is the old water system on Brick Street still in operation correct it is

01:03:37.380 --> 01:03:43.860
but it is not it is functional but we do not what you mean what you mean by so it

01:03:43.860 --> 01:03:48.019
is right now we have wells I think I don't remember the numbers but Brick

01:03:48.019 --> 01:03:53.500
Street we have in a reserve capacity so for instance if we had a major fire or a

01:03:53.500 --> 01:03:57.699
major water break it's ready to serve the residents but because of the

01:03:57.699 --> 01:04:02.980
We do not use it daily and I don't believe we've used it.

01:04:02.980 --> 01:04:05.420
Is there a reason why we're not using it?

01:04:05.420 --> 01:04:11.800
Because it has performative compounds and it trace amounts which are being regulated

01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:12.800
by MCL.

01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:17.739
We can serve it to residents we're choosing not to because performative compounds have

01:04:17.739 --> 01:04:19.679
been proven to have issues.

01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:24.300
So that well system at Brick Street is totally in reserve.

01:04:24.300 --> 01:04:29.380
if we had a major emergency it would get pumped to the system and residents would be notified

01:04:29.380 --> 01:04:33.220
about it, but we do not use it and have not used it ever since well 11 came up.

01:04:33.220 --> 01:04:40.380
Now that well, that well that you were referring to, you're trying to say it never had any

01:04:40.380 --> 01:04:46.860
problems and the reason why we have to change our strategy on how we use that well, are

01:04:46.860 --> 01:04:51.779
you saying that there's no problems with that well in our system?

01:04:51.779 --> 01:04:57.559
I'm trying to find out what prompt this whole thing about the well that needs to

01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:06.300
a new well that needs to be installed that the old well is used for emergency

01:05:06.300 --> 01:05:11.480
needs and why is that are you are you know I'm saying that we're getting off

01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:18.940
topic on we're just supposed to vote on these ordinances right here okay and

01:05:18.940 --> 01:05:24.720
that's what I'm okay so is there a we don't have to do a motion we just do a

01:05:24.720 --> 01:05:33.340
vote correct to accept these or these regulations right correct okay Shadle

01:05:33.340 --> 01:05:55.199
aye Sanders no Sellers aye Clem Monroe no Parker aye Stacy the ordinance passes

01:05:55.199 --> 01:06:05.539
We move on to second reading of ordinance 2025-23.

01:06:05.539 --> 01:06:10.380
Ordinance Establishing a Special Service Area, Gladewood Subdivision.

01:06:10.380 --> 01:06:12.340
Manager Boyer.

01:06:12.340 --> 01:06:14.980
Thank you, Madam Chairperson.

01:06:14.980 --> 01:06:20.539
As we've been discussing for a few meetings, the Gladewood residents, there's a confusion

01:06:20.539 --> 01:06:25.099
over who maintained the street of Gladewood.

01:06:25.099 --> 01:06:29.820
it came to light that on the plat that there was a document or there was a

01:06:29.820 --> 01:06:33.500
verbiage on the plat that said essentially until these improvements

01:06:33.500 --> 01:06:36.980
were made at the time the subdivision was built that the city would not receive

01:06:36.980 --> 01:06:40.300
that road until those improvements were made those improvements haven't made but

01:06:40.300 --> 01:06:44.840
over a number of years it's been very confusing and I think the residents

01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:50.380
assumed that it was a city street since they were in the city and once we found

01:06:50.380 --> 01:07:20.380
we discussed it with the residents of Gladewood at this time to move forward and we've talked to that we've received enough petitions to move forward with a special assessment area that would allow the residents to contribute to the improvements of that road in the future but in the meantime there are several emergent issues one is the entryway about 200 feet and the exit at 200 feet very bad full potholes but it's necessary for us to move forward with a special service area so that we

01:07:20.380 --> 01:07:25.779
We can then have them contribute to these repairs and the future repairs.

01:07:25.779 --> 01:07:33.559
So before you is to adopt the special service area, a public hearing must be held to allow

01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:38.220
for objections and the ordinance before council tonight simply sets that hearing.

01:07:38.220 --> 01:07:45.239
So we are simply setting a hearing date for the discussion of having the special service

01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:46.239
area.

01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:47.239
Nothing more.

01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:50.340
It's going to be an open public session for that.

01:07:50.340 --> 01:07:56.340
So, anyway, that is the reason for moving forward with this ordinance, this second reading.

01:07:56.340 --> 01:07:59.099
Yes?

01:07:59.099 --> 01:08:00.099
No, yeah.

01:08:00.099 --> 01:08:04.539
Alderman, I think Alderman Stacy had her hand up before you did.

01:08:04.539 --> 01:08:21.449
City Manager Boyer, you just stated that they were asked to make improvements and that those

01:08:21.449 --> 01:08:22.449
and I.

01:08:22.449 --> 01:08:37.809
I'm sorry if you misheard me or I misspoke, but the improvements on the plat required certain

01:08:37.809 --> 01:08:40.489
improvements that were never made.

01:08:40.489 --> 01:08:41.809
That were never made?

01:08:41.809 --> 01:08:42.809
Correct.

01:08:42.809 --> 01:08:43.809
Okay.

01:08:43.809 --> 01:08:48.460
You said that were made.

01:08:48.460 --> 01:09:04.940
and so this hearing would be a hearing to see if the city takes on Gladewood and they become

01:09:04.940 --> 01:09:07.420
part of our city.

01:09:07.420 --> 01:09:11.979
The hearing is required by state statute for a special service area.

01:09:11.979 --> 01:09:18.279
So what this would be is it would be a public setting where people can discuss the merits

01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:25.600
of Becoming a Special Service Area. Therefore, they would participate in the cost share of

01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:28.239
future improvements and things to the road.

01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:38.079
Okay, so what about the things that were supposed to happen, like the streets and the curbs

01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:41.800
and all that, that did not happen?

01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:47.920
Well at that at some time in the future when that road is reconstructed not to

01:09:47.920 --> 01:10:16.000
We will have to review the potential of doing a rural cross-section to that area to provide drainage and so forth for that road, but at the current time what we're looking for and what we're looking at doing is just some emergent repairs to the entry and exit of gladewood to remediate the vast majority of the pavement quality issues

01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:18.000
and

01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:21.119
John.

01:10:23.220 --> 01:10:25.220
I'm going to ask you a question.

01:10:27.140 --> 01:10:29.319
If those repairs have already happened, haven't they already

01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:31.319
went out and blacktopped the holes in the roads?

01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:34.920
≫ No, that's not it.

01:10:36.020 --> 01:10:38.020
We're talking about a reconstruction and repair of

01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:41.119
the base and repaving of the first 200 feet on both ends of

01:10:42.460 --> 01:10:44.460
Gladewood. ≫ Before our city streets?

01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:47.000
Huffines.

01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:52.000
We are simply making repairs to the entry and exit sufficient to get rid of the potholes

01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:53.920
and the degraded pavement in those areas.

01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:58.520
It's the worst areas in that neighborhood.

01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:05.000
I just want to say at this time we're just trying to do a notice of hearing for the special

01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:06.000
service.

01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.039
So it's not where anything is going to get done.

01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:13.960
We're having a hearing to see what people have to say about the, is that what you're

01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:14.960
saying to us?

01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:15.960
That's correct.

01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:25.079
Let me get Monroe. Alderman Monroe. Thank you, Alderman Sellers. So quick

01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:29.399
question for the city manager or the public works or whoever has the answer to

01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:35.880
this. Have all of the citizens living in that neighborhood been paying taxes up

01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:44.680
to this point? The normal taxes? I can't answer that. I don't know. I assume so.

01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:52.800
so yeah so the reason I asked that question here we're moving forward to

01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:56.760
potentially take over the road which we've been taking care of as well as the

01:11:56.760 --> 01:12:02.560
rest of the streets in Freeport to officially take over doing the roadways

01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:08.520
and now we're potentially adding additional fees under the residents that

01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:13.239
live there that potentially could be of could have been paying taxes the entire

01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:14.239
Fowler.

01:12:14.239 --> 01:12:23.079
So, the road was potentially, I don't even know how to say this at this point, we've

01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:27.119
been plowing it, we've been taking care of it, we've been salting it, we've been patching

01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:33.920
holes here and there, but yet now we've been doing that for X amount of years and now we're

01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:37.119
saying, well, it really wasn't our road.

01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:42.800
So it tells me we don't know which roads are ours and which ones aren't.

01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:50.000
We may tack on an extra fee to them $400 per year. Is it $400 a year?

01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:55.359
Yes, sir. So we may do that so that we could fix a road that they've already been paying for out of their

01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:58.399
property taxes. If they're paying property taxes.

01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:05.239
So that it will try to I'm not understanding I guess I'm really confused

01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:09.840
because if somebody's already paying the full taxes and

01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:17.920
and some some legal nothing different than what we're doing with the Public

01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:23.680
Works, Fire, Police, everybody else that is supposed to be following the ordinances.

01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:29.399
Well, why are we why are we tacking on a $400 to each household and and then

01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:34.199
doing I guess explain to me I'm missing something. Well, in in a city report

01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:39.279
there are a number of private streets. This was one of them that we were not

01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:44.840
aware of until recent title work was performed related to the Claywood bridge.

01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:52.640
Once we discovered that we then held off on any pavement operations until we were

01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:56.920
able to come to a resolution with the residents. So we do have a tentative

01:13:56.920 --> 01:14:00.279
resolution with them but we need to go through the process and the first step

01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:05.600
of the process is a session a you know public hearing. So what we're asking for

01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:08.600
tonight is just to move forward with the public hearing.

01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:19.479
All right, Darren, let me, yeah, isn't there a state regulation that private property or

01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:29.079
plots, as you might refer to them, has a duty of being annexed into the city, because they're

01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:31.159
not annexed into the city.

01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:32.960
No, they're not.

01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:49.140
Fowler, and I'm asking the question, I asked that last week. It doesn't matter. That doesn't

01:14:49.140 --> 01:15:01.180
tell me nothing. No, that does not validate anything. But my point is, from the director,

01:15:01.180 --> 01:15:07.420
is there an annex of that private area into the City of Freeport before we start doing

01:15:07.420 --> 01:15:18.140
maintenance, any kind of special services, tax levying, any kind of monies that is generated

01:15:18.140 --> 01:15:27.659
from this process, are they annexed into this so they would be eligible for any future maintenance

01:15:27.659 --> 01:15:28.659
and I.

01:15:28.659 --> 01:15:34.220
We have a lot of these services, and we can't put the cart before the horse, so which one

01:15:34.220 --> 01:15:35.220
is it?

01:15:35.220 --> 01:15:40.380
Are we annexed into, annexed, is this place annexed, yeah?

01:15:40.380 --> 01:15:41.380
Yes.

01:15:41.380 --> 01:15:42.380
If I could just answer that.

01:15:42.380 --> 01:15:43.380
Yes.

01:15:43.380 --> 01:15:44.380
That sure.

01:15:44.380 --> 01:15:45.380
Yes.

01:15:45.380 --> 01:15:48.699
The residents of Gladewood were annexed into the city, so they are part of the city.

01:15:48.699 --> 01:15:52.359
But there are, like I mentioned earlier, there's a number of private roads in the city, even

01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:55.619
though they exist in the city, they are not city streets.

01:15:55.619 --> 01:16:02.579
So all we're doing here is asking to move forward with a public hearing to discuss the opportunity

01:16:02.579 --> 01:16:11.739
to bring in Gladewood as, receive Gladewood as a city street.

01:16:11.739 --> 01:16:12.739
Director?

01:16:12.739 --> 01:16:13.739
Yeah.

01:16:13.739 --> 01:16:20.979
I just want to give you a little bit more background here to support Manager Boyer's

01:16:20.979 --> 01:16:22.920
information.

01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:31.199
So in the PLAT, which PLATs are the governing guidelines behind the subdivision, it specifically

01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:39.239
had a special note on this PLAT that is a little unusual to PLATs, and it said basically

01:16:39.239 --> 01:16:46.239
that the subdivision developer would establish curb, drainage, et cetera, within the community

01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:48.720
for the city to accept the streets.

01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:54.659
So, in the research of the documents, when Gladewood became an issue, this has been going

01:16:54.659 --> 01:17:01.960
on I believe for a better part of two years, the negotiations, we dug up the documents.

01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:07.279
Everybody in Freeport that comes to the city says, every problem within the cities, the

01:17:07.279 --> 01:17:09.920
city's problem, whether it is or not.

01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:15.279
And so Manager Boyer has challenged all the directors to dig into these problems to make

01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:16.279
Schultz.

01:17:16.279 --> 01:17:20.159
We want to make sure before we're spending money that they are truly city problems.

01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:23.720
So we're spending taxpayers' monies effectively.

01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:29.359
In our research, this note was discovered, which is unusual on Platts, and so therefore

01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:35.199
we got the attorneys involved and the attorneys agreed that since they didn't make the improvements,

01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:40.319
whether the subdivision was the next in or not, the city never accepted the roadway because

01:17:40.319 --> 01:18:03.079
Boyer has been working with Attorney Cox on a resolution that would benefit everyone without

01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:06.439
going to court over this situation.

01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:12.680
and again, everybody's been bringing minds and ideas together to fix the situation.

01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:16.520
The city has installed water and sewer to this subdivision.

01:18:16.520 --> 01:18:24.119
I believe the original plaque goes back to the 60s, if I'm not mistaken, 50s, 60s, 63.

01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:31.520
So, so again, it's a long term what Darren Stekel terms as a ghost problem in Freeport

01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:37.279
that started under many, many, many mayors ago that we're trying to get to a final resolution

01:18:37.279 --> 01:18:42.159
that everybody can agree on so we don't ever have to talk about it again.

01:18:42.159 --> 01:18:47.539
And I can't tell you how many of these have happened in my last three years of helping

01:18:47.539 --> 01:18:53.640
this council move on from issues that have been coming from other leaders of the community

01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:57.559
that are now saddled and burdened to this administration.

01:18:57.559 --> 01:19:01.079
But instead of us just kicking the can down the road and going out there and throwing

01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:05.399
and some patch down and say we're done, we're trying to be wise stewards of taxpayers money

01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:06.880
and go by the rules.

01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:12.760
And so everybody's upset about us just trying to do the right thing at the right time and

01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:14.359
not push it down the road.

01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:19.640
So instead of everybody being upset, I think maybe look at the other side of the coin that

01:19:19.640 --> 01:19:24.319
we're trying to be responsible and do the right thing for everyone involved here.

01:19:24.319 --> 01:19:32.100
There is no bound agreement that they ever fulfilled for the city to accept the street,

01:19:32.100 --> 01:19:33.100
right?

01:19:33.100 --> 01:19:39.420
And yes, other city managers, other mayors directed staff to maintain it.

01:19:39.420 --> 01:19:44.039
But just because we did something wrong in the past doesn't make it right now.

01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:46.000
And so we're trying to fix those issues.

01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:49.199
and so we're trying to fix those issues and be fair to everybody so it can be resolved

01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:54.560
with a positive benefit to the residents who want roads fixed and the city who doesn't

01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:59.279
want to accept the full burden of something that happened from the 60s.

01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:02.939
That's all I have to say.

01:20:02.939 --> 01:20:03.939
Alderman Monroe.

01:20:03.939 --> 01:20:05.220
Thank you, Alderman Sellers.

01:20:05.220 --> 01:20:07.859
I don't think we're, you know, up in arms.

01:20:07.859 --> 01:20:12.340
We're just trying to understand the problem and, you know, typically in Illinois when

01:20:12.340 --> 01:20:30.779
and a lot of the documents, I can't even get documents from Director Richter before 2017.

01:20:30.779 --> 01:20:36.399
So we don't know if the city accepted or didn't accept, in some instances.

01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:46.560
I can verify that there is no document that we have found anywhere and we have dig big deep diving even Dovie has that says that we have ever accepted the roadway.

01:20:47.479 --> 01:20:50.239
So otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.

01:20:52.000 --> 01:21:03.479
You see why we're we're asking the questions. It's not to be it's not to be hard, but it's it's just trying to understand the issue and you're about to tack on $400 a year for 15 years.

01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:04.479
and others.

01:21:04.479 --> 01:21:31.520
I think we're just trying to understand so that, you know, we protect those citizens.

01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:36.560
We're responsible for everybody, even if it's not in our ward, to make sure that we do the

01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:38.159
right thing.

01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:45.420
So I think just trying to understand the issue and where it's coming from is really where

01:21:45.420 --> 01:21:46.840
we're at on this.

01:21:46.840 --> 01:21:57.350
To be fair, we have done a lot of preliminary research on the area and some street evaluations

01:21:57.350 --> 01:21:59.989
and cost estimates for replacing all of it.

01:21:59.989 --> 01:22:04.989
So there's probably close to a mile worth of roadway

01:22:05.069 --> 01:22:08.989
if you counted every stitch or road throughout that segment.

01:22:08.989 --> 01:22:12.670
So city manager has had us do a lot of legwork

01:22:12.670 --> 01:22:15.710
on this property to try to be fair to all parties.

01:22:15.710 --> 01:22:17.350
And that's all we're trying to do.

01:22:20.109 --> 01:22:24.470
So I know that there's, I believe 17 families,

01:22:24.470 --> 01:22:29.470
17 houses or 17 residents

01:22:29.989 --> 01:22:43.130
Did you or did you not say they were paying city taxes?

01:22:43.130 --> 01:22:45.289
Taxes are handled by the Stevenson County.

01:22:45.289 --> 01:22:47.289
That wouldn't be records we'd hold.

01:22:47.289 --> 01:22:52.649
Is that fair?

01:22:52.649 --> 01:22:54.449
So no one knows?

01:22:54.449 --> 01:22:59.409
Well, the Stevenson County clerk would be the one who, or treasurer, would have that

01:22:59.409 --> 01:23:00.409
information.

01:23:00.409 --> 01:23:01.409
Okay.

01:23:01.409 --> 01:23:07.909
I'll just that's just a little odd to me that we're here now and that simple

01:23:07.909 --> 01:23:16.090
question can't be answered so is there a motion to move this this is this is we

01:23:16.090 --> 01:23:19.329
have the motion this is second reading so you know okay all right so if there's

01:23:19.329 --> 01:23:24.390
not discussion then you can then it'd be there any other discussion we have two

01:23:24.390 --> 01:23:29.770
from Stacy two from Monroe is there anyone else that has anything to say I

01:23:29.770 --> 01:23:43.270
I need to understand something. So we have this hearing, and we find out that they are

01:23:43.270 --> 01:23:52.430
not paying city taxes. After this hearing, we're adopting them in anyway. Is this what

01:23:52.430 --> 01:23:54.930
...

01:23:54.930 --> 01:23:55.930
Manager Boyer.

01:23:55.930 --> 01:24:00.289
I think we could ask Attorney Cox, who's standing right here, if he wants to talk about the

01:24:00.289 --> 01:24:01.289
process.

01:24:01.289 --> 01:24:08.239
Can we ask him questions?

01:24:08.239 --> 01:24:16.840
Well, just in response to the question about paying the taxes, they are absolutely within the City of Freeport's taxing district.

01:24:17.239 --> 01:24:28.239
So I think what you're hearing is Clerk Anderson saying, well, I can't confirm specifically that they are paying the taxes because somebody might not be, but they're being assessed taxes for the City of Freeport.

01:24:28.239 --> 01:24:29.539
They're within the City of Freeport.

01:24:29.539 --> 01:24:31.340
They were annexed in the 1960s.

01:24:31.579 --> 01:24:36.640
So since then, there have been City of Freeport property taxes levied against that property.

01:24:38.239 --> 01:24:45.439
and then as to the as to the process here what what happens with the hearing

01:24:45.439 --> 01:24:50.079
um the hearing is really a preliminary step what you have is actually a petition

01:24:50.079 --> 01:24:54.159
from a majority of the landowners in Gladewood subdivision so they're actually asking the city

01:24:54.800 --> 01:24:59.920
to set this for hearing because that's the first step in the establishment of a special service area

01:24:59.920 --> 01:25:11.199
So, as Darren pointed out, as Director Steekle pointed out, City Manager Boyer and I have

01:25:11.199 --> 01:25:17.640
engaged in significant discussions with the landowners in terms of, well, this might be

01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:28.600
something that would be palatable in the form of a recommendation to Council, and on the

01:25:28.600 --> 01:25:32.640
and the other hand, also palatable to the property owners.

01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:35.119
In other words, a compromise resolution here

01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:38.039
to a situation that's existed since the 60s,

01:25:38.039 --> 01:25:38.920
sort of in limbo.

01:25:38.920 --> 01:25:42.439
So trying to just bring this to a conclusion

01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:44.560
so we all know where we stand.

01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:47.140
So what would happen with the hearing

01:25:47.140 --> 01:25:50.840
is that's a preliminary step where the plan

01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:55.119
is laid out in the ordinance, would be introduced.

01:25:55.119 --> 01:25:57.720
Anybody would have an opportunity to ask questions

01:25:57.720 --> 01:25:59.560
and that's anybody within the community,

01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:02.279
and not necessarily just within the Gladewood Subdivision.

01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:04.819
And then any objectors within the Gladewood Subdivision,

01:26:04.819 --> 01:26:06.500
if they're gonna be subject to this tax

01:26:06.500 --> 01:26:07.939
and they don't wanna pay it,

01:26:07.939 --> 01:26:10.100
they would have an opportunity to object.

01:26:10.100 --> 01:26:14.000
And that's really where there's a 60 day waiting period

01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:17.340
after the hearing,

01:26:17.340 --> 01:26:21.220
where if you're a resident of the Gladewood Subdivision,

01:26:21.220 --> 01:26:22.399
you can object.

01:26:22.399 --> 01:26:24.840
And if a majority of the owners object,

01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:27.500
then it never even comes back to council, it just fails.

01:26:27.500 --> 01:26:30.140
and we wouldn't have the authority to pass that.

01:26:30.140 --> 01:26:34.539
So the residents of Gladewood really do have some direction

01:26:34.539 --> 01:26:37.819
over their own destiny here.

01:26:37.819 --> 01:26:41.020
Assuming because we have the petition of a majority,

01:26:41.020 --> 01:26:45.060
unless one or more flips their position,

01:26:45.060 --> 01:26:49.260
we have an assumption that this will come back to council

01:26:49.260 --> 01:26:50.739
eventually after that 30 days

01:26:50.739 --> 01:26:53.239
if we don't have a majority of objections.

01:26:53.239 --> 01:26:56.859
And then this council will really be considering

01:26:56.859 --> 01:27:00.579
for the first time whether this is a good idea or not.

01:27:00.579 --> 01:27:02.859
That's when the merits really get considered.

01:27:03.859 --> 01:27:07.500
So you could have a situation where this doesn't come back

01:27:07.500 --> 01:27:10.340
because it fails because of an objection.

01:27:10.340 --> 01:27:14.460
You receive more information because of the public hearing

01:27:14.460 --> 01:27:16.619
process, you would have the opportunity to attend that

01:27:16.619 --> 01:27:18.699
and ask any questions at that point.

01:27:18.699 --> 01:27:22.380
So this is a very, very preliminary step

01:27:22.380 --> 01:27:24.380
and in no way binds the council.

01:27:24.380 --> 01:27:29.619
it's just a matter of taking the first step in this process to even evaluate if it's a

01:27:29.619 --> 01:27:30.619
good idea.

01:27:30.619 --> 01:27:34.579
Okay, I have a question for you.

01:27:34.579 --> 01:27:43.380
At the 4-7 meeting, there was some Claywood people in the audience and there was a gentleman

01:27:43.380 --> 01:27:53.779
back there and when the statement was made that they represent, he was like, they don't

01:27:53.779 --> 01:28:03.619
and I represent me, I, I, you know, all that, and so if this is to their advantage, why

01:28:03.619 --> 01:28:06.920
would he respond like that?

01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:12.819
Well, I saw the same reaction, I was here and I noted that.

01:28:12.819 --> 01:28:18.380
What we have is a majority at this point, and when you have a majority, that's not necessarily

01:28:18.380 --> 01:28:22.500
a unanimous position, so you could have some dissenters.

01:28:22.500 --> 01:28:27.619
The way the statute reads is if a majority want this matter to come forward to council,

01:28:27.619 --> 01:28:28.619
it will.

01:28:28.619 --> 01:28:31.260
If a majority don't want it to come forward to council, it just fails.

01:28:31.260 --> 01:28:36.619
I mean, we don't even have the ability to establish a special service area at that point.

01:28:36.619 --> 01:28:41.539
So I would guess that the gentleman who was expressing some dissatisfaction was probably

01:28:41.539 --> 01:28:44.140
on the side of the dissenters.

01:28:44.140 --> 01:28:48.579
And that's pertaining to the $400 tax?

01:28:48.579 --> 01:28:50.940
That I don't presume to know that.

01:28:50.940 --> 01:28:56.140
because it could be the scope of the work agreed to, it could be any number of things.

01:28:56.140 --> 01:29:03.340
There's a lot in that ordinance, but I presume, if I were forced to guess, I would say it's

01:29:03.340 --> 01:29:07.270
to the payment of the taxes.

01:29:07.270 --> 01:29:13.829
Have taxes been levied for the subdivision over there?

01:29:13.829 --> 01:29:18.710
As you say, they have been paying taxes is what has been said.

01:29:18.710 --> 01:29:25.829
So we just looked it up while Attorney Cox was talking, sorry, I talked to you too much.

01:29:25.829 --> 01:29:31.270
And they, I looked right on my laptop, they pay city taxes just like everybody else.

01:29:31.270 --> 01:29:38.949
Okay, so that's the benefit for that subdivision when the city steps in to do any kind of special

01:29:38.949 --> 01:29:43.750
service work in that area, is that correct?

01:29:43.750 --> 01:29:43.989
there.

01:29:43.989 --> 01:29:48.640
is that correct? And they are paying their full extent of their property taxes or taxes

01:29:49.920 --> 01:29:57.359
to the city of Freeport and the investment that the city makes within that subdivision is a benefit

01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:07.439
to them and everything should be okay for far as moving forward to allow them to receive the special

01:30:07.439 --> 01:30:09.439
and the rest of the city.

01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:12.439
I think there's a lot of service in that area.

01:30:12.439 --> 01:30:14.439
Is that what we're saying?

01:30:14.439 --> 01:30:16.439
Well, in terms of everything, okay.

01:30:16.439 --> 01:30:20.439
I think that's kind of up to them and then up to this council.

01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:26.439
Well, the thing is why is it left up to the council if they want to petition for

01:30:26.439 --> 01:30:32.439
and who's hosting this hearing, who's the people that are hosting it?

01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:33.439
and I.

01:30:33.439 --> 01:30:40.939
Are we, what is this, just something that the city puts on, that we operate within that

01:30:40.939 --> 01:30:47.119
structure of a meeting with that subdivision?

01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:48.119
It would be hosted.

01:30:48.119 --> 01:30:55.319
Or the city taxpayers or the citizens of the city of Freeport that can be part of this

01:30:55.319 --> 01:30:56.319
whole scenario.

01:30:56.319 --> 01:31:01.119
Well, certainly anybody who wants to attend would be entitled to.

01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:06.279
The meeting is deemed a public hearing, it's more in the nature of a town hall where anybody

01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:12.279
can show up and ask questions about the plan and again the idea is that anybody who is

01:31:12.279 --> 01:31:17.720
interested in the outcome of the special service area has the opportunity to attend and ask

01:31:17.720 --> 01:31:22.600
questions and then again the residents of Gladewood would then have the opportunity

01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:23.600
to object.

01:31:23.600 --> 01:31:24.600
and others.

01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:25.600
Who's hosting?

01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:34.640
It would be somebody from the council hosting or the city manager or someone that is making

01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:40.560
sure that everything is flowing accordingly.

01:31:40.560 --> 01:31:47.920
Someone has to be there to make this establishment happen and the taxpayers should not have to

01:31:47.920 --> 01:31:55.520
Make an investment to put on a town hall meeting if they have to pay an individual to host

01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:56.520
this thing.

01:31:56.520 --> 01:32:00.000
I don't know how it's governed at this particular time.

01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:03.520
I would anticipate that that would be staff, probably salaried staff.

01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:05.140
That's going to be Manager Boyer.

01:32:05.140 --> 01:32:10.560
That's going to be Director Duckman, probably Director Steagall.

01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:19.260
so that's a again it would be I think hosted is a strong word moderated moderator

01:32:19.260 --> 01:32:23.300
I should say moderator yeah typically we do those here I mean City Hall is just

01:32:23.300 --> 01:32:27.060
set up well for it we can do it in council chambers and it's just on an

01:32:27.060 --> 01:32:31.739
off-night when council chambers aren't otherwise being used so we would set

01:32:31.739 --> 01:32:36.699
that up and then invite anybody who wants to attend the to be here and the

01:32:36.699 --> 01:32:41.699
Majority determines whether or not this moves forward.

01:32:42.539 --> 01:32:47.539
The majority of the, let me clarify the question,

01:32:47.539 --> 01:32:49.779
a majority of this council or the majority

01:32:49.779 --> 01:32:50.899
of the landowners?

01:32:50.899 --> 01:32:53.899
Of the town hall.

01:32:53.899 --> 01:32:56.460
So there's not a vote taken at the town hall.

01:32:56.460 --> 01:32:59.180
Town hall is just informational, okay?

01:32:59.180 --> 01:33:01.779
So that's an opportunity again to ask questions

01:33:01.779 --> 01:33:03.579
and learn more about the project.

01:33:03.579 --> 01:33:10.460
The residents of Gladewood, those 17 residents, are the only people that really have a vote.

01:33:10.460 --> 01:33:15.180
Yeah. They would have, more specifically, they have an opportunity to object. So it's not really

01:33:15.180 --> 01:33:20.300
a vote-taking process. They would have to file an objection within that 60-day objection period.

01:33:20.300 --> 01:33:26.460
So if I live in Gladewood and I don't like it, I have to file. What would be a purpose of objecting?

01:33:26.460 --> 01:33:37.220
Why would that particular subdivision object to anything when they're getting free services

01:33:37.220 --> 01:33:43.699
or I'm not going to say free services, taxpayer services to maintain their roles and the conditions

01:33:43.699 --> 01:33:46.180
of their property and things of this nature?

01:33:46.180 --> 01:33:49.100
Why would anyone be in that area objecting?

01:33:49.100 --> 01:33:56.380
Is it fearful that they may have an increase in their tax property when that happens?

01:33:56.380 --> 01:34:06.380
Well, again, Alderman Sanders, I wouldn't presume the answer for anybody that lives there, but typically when we see an objection, it's, well, I'm being taxed too much.

01:34:06.380 --> 01:34:09.380
Yeah, that's what I was leading to.

01:34:09.380 --> 01:34:20.380
But again, anyone could object for any reason, you know, maybe they don't like the road surface it's being included, or whatever, or just for no reason whatsoever.

01:34:20.380 --> 01:34:25.380
I mean, if I'm a resident out there, I could just file something saying, well, I object, period.

01:34:25.380 --> 01:34:32.579
and that's good enough and that's what determines whether this council ever

01:34:32.579 --> 01:34:40.779
gets this back. Mike? With the public hearing process the city would run that

01:34:40.779 --> 01:34:46.220
it's more of a discovery process rather than it's called a hearing but people

01:34:46.220 --> 01:34:49.779
can come in and give their input that inputs recorded and then that'll be

01:34:49.779 --> 01:34:53.140
brought back to the council so then if the members of Gladewood or the

01:34:53.140 --> 01:34:57.260
and the community of Gladewood decides they want to move forward, then we would bring

01:34:57.260 --> 01:35:01.220
you that with the discovery with, hey, people were in favor of this or people were not in

01:35:01.220 --> 01:35:02.220
favor of it.

01:35:02.220 --> 01:35:06.180
And then it's up to the council to make the decision whether that moves forward or not.

01:35:06.180 --> 01:35:12.340
Do I understand that there was a fundraising of a certain amount of dollars that they had

01:35:12.340 --> 01:35:20.060
accumulated for what purpose the dollars was raised for?

01:35:20.060 --> 01:35:21.060
Miller.

01:35:21.060 --> 01:35:24.819
What was the whole purpose of raising something like $90,000 or something like that, if I

01:35:24.819 --> 01:35:28.539
believe that was the right, correct figure?

01:35:28.539 --> 01:35:30.380
What would be the reason for them doing that?

01:35:30.380 --> 01:35:32.619
I can't speak intelligently to that.

01:35:32.619 --> 01:35:34.739
I'm not aware that they fundraised anything.

01:35:34.739 --> 01:35:43.300
Yeah, I only received that information because it showed up here on my agenda, and I'm just

01:35:43.300 --> 01:35:44.819
asking questions to the reason.

01:35:44.819 --> 01:35:48.420
I think he's referring to the special assessment, I believe.

01:35:48.420 --> 01:35:57.020
Boyer. So the idea here is if we get the special assessment set up, it would basically equate

01:35:57.020 --> 01:36:02.899
over 15 years to $90,000. That's where the $90,000 came from. And it's basically a cost

01:36:02.899 --> 01:36:11.199
offset to the work we do out there, right? So it's saying, hey, this is a, it's unclear

01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:16.699
as to, well, it's clear on the plat, but it's unclear how this would make it through court.

01:36:16.699 --> 01:36:23.420
and this is just a way for us to say, hey, we're going to ask for this much in return

01:36:23.420 --> 01:36:27.939
for your cooperation moving forward and it certainly would keep us out of a much more

01:36:27.939 --> 01:36:32.560
expensive litigation moving forward if for whatever reason there's a legal argument that

01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:37.060
says no city, you have to take this. This would save us a lot of time and energy through

01:36:37.060 --> 01:36:41.460
the legal process in determining that. So that's kind of the reason why we're moving

01:36:41.460 --> 01:36:47.140
and his direction is to create the SSA so that we can kind of stay away from legal battles

01:36:47.140 --> 01:36:53.979
back and forth where nobody ends up doing well. So we're just saying, hey, do what you

01:36:53.979 --> 01:36:58.060
can for us and then we'll do what we can for you kind of situation.

01:36:58.060 --> 01:37:04.939
Yeah, because what I don't want to see happening is that the appearance of impropriety taking

01:37:04.939 --> 01:37:11.100
place with the fundings that are being raised and if there's something of we're making

01:37:11.100 --> 01:37:19.260
and a payoff or bribery or some form of activity with the raising of the funds, I'd like to

01:37:19.260 --> 01:37:25.840
know what the $90,000, I would like to know where it ends up at.

01:37:25.840 --> 01:37:30.640
It will end up back in the road, but we'll get it $400 a year per property at a time,

01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:35.439
so it'll be 15 years before it comes through all the way, but that'll go back into the

01:37:35.439 --> 01:37:39.300
road repair to offset whatever cost we deal with.

01:37:39.300 --> 01:37:40.300
Okay.

01:37:40.300 --> 01:37:44.960
and I think that this this public hearing a lot of the questions that you you want

01:37:44.960 --> 01:37:51.039
to ask I guess the the the people that live there on Gladewood would be at this

01:37:51.039 --> 01:37:56.720
meeting so you probably would get a better understanding of what's going on

01:37:56.720 --> 01:38:01.199
and how they feel and and you know instead of you know asking some

01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:07.479
questions here that you know I you know I resent that observation that you

01:38:07.479 --> 01:38:36.779
and Stacey. What time of day would this hearing be? Typically, there are late afternoon or

01:38:36.779 --> 01:38:37.779
Huffines.

01:38:37.779 --> 01:38:41.380
I think that's what we're trying to set now, a time and a date.

01:38:41.380 --> 01:38:48.220
No, I understand we're trying to set it, but they have their way and their time of doing

01:38:48.220 --> 01:38:49.220
these.

01:38:49.220 --> 01:38:50.940
So I'm just asking a question.

01:38:50.940 --> 01:38:56.659
What time of day are we looking at for something of this nature?

01:38:56.659 --> 01:38:58.940
I think certainly council could set that.

01:38:58.940 --> 01:39:00.420
You could specify what time.

01:39:00.420 --> 01:39:04.260
Is that what you're trying to set, a time and a date?

01:39:04.260 --> 01:39:05.260
May I?

01:39:05.260 --> 01:39:06.260
This might be a good time.

01:39:06.260 --> 01:39:12.460
We did have a motion and a second to set this 20 to 40 days from the April 7th meeting.

01:39:12.460 --> 01:39:15.340
Is that sufficient to fill in that blank in the ordinance?

01:39:15.340 --> 01:39:16.340
It is.

01:39:16.340 --> 01:39:17.340
Okay.

01:39:17.340 --> 01:39:18.340
Okay.

01:39:18.340 --> 01:39:21.380
And I think if a specific time wants to be...

01:39:21.380 --> 01:39:25.579
Yeah, I'm not talking about time as far as this date to this date.

01:39:25.579 --> 01:39:31.380
I'm talking about is this going to happen at 3 o'clock in the evening or is this something

01:39:31.380 --> 01:39:35.420
that's going to happen at 1 o'clock in the afternoon?

01:39:35.420 --> 01:39:41.989
That's what I want to know.

01:39:41.989 --> 01:39:55.000
City Manager Boyer. Thank you Madam Chair. If you have a real strong thought on that, I'm sure we could accommodate it. So if you have a specific time you'd like to see, I'm sure we could work on that.

01:39:55.000 --> 01:40:07.000
I just want you to be considered a people working. I don't want 10 of these residents show up and the other seven are working and can't make it.

01:40:07.000 --> 01:40:13.079
Alderman Stacey, I think right here it says something about 5 o'clock p.m. in

01:40:13.079 --> 01:40:17.560
the City Council chambers. Okay well he did not say that just now. No I'm just

01:40:17.560 --> 01:40:22.800
saying I just read it right here. That's probably that's a that's a plug

01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:28.319
number that's okay okay I didn't know okay the standard protocol is you know

01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:32.000
typically in the evening so that you know you said something at 1 o'clock in

01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:35.000
the afternoon it's hard to get attendance at that sort of thing so try

01:40:35.000 --> 01:41:07.939
to stay away from you know working hours and holidays. Thank you. Is there any more discussion? If not, call the roll. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? Aye. Parker? Aye. And Stacy? Aye. The ordinance passes seven to zero. We move on to agenda number eight and is the second reading of ordinance 2025-25.

01:41:07.939 --> 01:41:13.220
O'Farr. Ordinance, amending the codified ordinances, Chapter 806, Alcoholic Liquor

01:41:13.220 --> 01:41:17.460
Sales, and deleting Chapter 844, Mechanical and Electronic Games and

01:41:17.460 --> 01:41:24.060
Devices. And that will be presented by Attorney Steve Cox. I didn't have to go

01:41:24.060 --> 01:41:31.699
very far. So I think we talked about this last time, this is an increase in the

01:41:31.699 --> 01:41:37.420
fees payable by operators and mechanical game or video gaming terminals

01:41:37.420 --> 01:41:45.699
and the City, and an elimination of the mechanical games section of the ordinance, which is frankly

01:41:45.699 --> 01:41:50.020
underutilized or completely unutilized currently.

01:41:50.020 --> 01:41:55.979
So that's just a matter of convenience and fitting regulation to practice.

01:41:55.979 --> 01:41:57.180
So I'm happy to answer any questions.

01:41:57.180 --> 01:42:01.460
I can go back over whatever the council would like to hear, but I think we pretty much hashed

01:42:01.460 --> 01:42:04.060
through that last time.

01:42:04.060 --> 01:42:11.500
Are there any questions on this agenda item? If not, do we do a vote?

01:42:11.500 --> 01:42:13.500
Just a vote. Shadle?

01:42:13.500 --> 01:42:15.500
Aye.

01:42:17.500 --> 01:42:19.500
What?

01:42:19.500 --> 01:42:22.500
I don't usually wait. What do you want me to do?

01:42:22.500 --> 01:42:25.500
Go ahead. Call the roll. Go ahead. Shadle?

01:42:25.500 --> 01:42:27.500
Shadle? Aye.

01:42:27.500 --> 01:42:29.500
Sellers? Aye.

01:42:29.500 --> 01:42:30.500
Klemm? Aye.

01:42:30.500 --> 01:42:32.500
Monroe? Aye.

01:42:32.500 --> 01:42:34.500
Parker? Aye.

01:42:34.500 --> 01:43:02.520
and Stacy. No. The ordinance passes five to one. We'll move to agenda item number nine. It's the first reading of ordinance 2025-25.

01:43:02.520 --> 01:43:18.960
Ordinance approving special use permit application at 1601 to 1645 Southwest Avenue, submitted by Family Dollar to examine the special use of a B3 commercial and wholesale business district zone property to allow restaurants, taverns, packaged liquor stores and

01:43:18.960 --> 01:43:29.359
Any other establishment selling alcoholic beverages for consumption on or off the premises, according to Chapter 1252.01B11.

01:43:29.359 --> 01:43:32.159
Presented by Director Duckman.

01:43:32.159 --> 01:43:42.760
Thank you all the person sellers. Staff received a special use permit application from Family Dollar, located at 1601 Southwest Avenue.

01:43:42.760 --> 01:43:47.640
and essentially what's going on here is they want to sell packaged liquor which

01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:53.460
requires a special use permit prior to their organization applying for a liquor

01:43:53.460 --> 01:44:01.159
license. So this subject property went before our Zoning Board of Appeals on

01:44:01.159 --> 01:44:06.619
April 3rd and it was recommended for approval by a vote of 7 to 0 with zero

01:44:06.619 --> 01:44:11.840
abstentions on April 10th. Our Planning Commission recommended approval, excuse

01:44:11.840 --> 01:44:30.640
is there a motion to move it forward? Second. Is there any discussion? If not, call the roll.

01:44:30.640 --> 01:44:35.840
Nope, it's just first read, so all we need is a motion and a second. Okay, so now we'll

01:44:35.840 --> 01:44:43.920
move on to number 10, is the first reading of ordinance 2025-26 presented by Manager

01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:49.119
Boyer. I'm going to read it in first if I can butt in. Ordinance authorizing the

01:44:49.119 --> 01:44:53.560
Illinois Environmental Protection Agency public water supply loan program and

01:44:53.560 --> 01:44:59.970
loan agreement for lead service line replacement phase four. Thank you madam

01:44:59.970 --> 01:45:04.010
chair. So the city of Freeport recently had a bid opening for phase four of the

01:45:04.010 --> 01:45:10.529
lead service replacement program. The EPA water loan program requires a current

01:45:10.529 --> 01:45:15.609
City of Freeport authorized debt ordinance for the project. This is part

01:45:15.609 --> 01:45:19.729
of every IEP funding project regardless of whether the community receives a

01:45:19.729 --> 01:45:25.930
hundred percent forgiveness or not. The IEP project management is required a new

01:45:25.930 --> 01:45:31.970
lead service remediation debt ordinance to be passed for the phase four project

01:45:31.970 --> 01:45:37.210
since the city has to pay the awarded contractor and wait for IEP reimbursement

01:45:37.210 --> 01:45:41.449
is required to have this in place to receive the final EPA loan agreement.

01:45:41.449 --> 01:45:45.729
Staff is also asking for the suspension of the rules on this item so we can

01:45:45.729 --> 01:45:50.489
expedite the program and this project is funded through an Illinois

01:45:50.489 --> 01:45:55.050
Environmental Protection Agency state revolving loan fund. The project is fully

01:45:55.050 --> 01:45:59.770
funded with a hundred percent loan forgiveness of three million twenty

01:45:59.770 --> 01:46:04.729
seven thousand dollars and staff recommends council suspend the rules and

01:46:04.729 --> 01:46:09.050
move forward with the debt ordinance. Is there a motion to suspend the rules? No,

01:46:09.050 --> 01:46:16.250
we need a motion. We need a motion to move it forward first. We need a motion to move

01:46:16.250 --> 01:46:22.850
it forward first. There it is. Oh, I'm sorry. Klemm, we need the motion first. Klemm and...

01:46:22.850 --> 01:46:29.810
And I think, was it you, Monroe? Sure. Okay, thank you. But I have questions.

01:46:29.810 --> 01:46:31.810
Bates, and the rest of the board.

01:46:31.810 --> 01:46:33.810
So, I think we should be able to

01:46:33.810 --> 01:46:35.810
get the item out of the way before we

01:46:35.810 --> 01:46:37.810
suspend.

01:46:37.810 --> 01:46:39.810
Right.

01:46:39.810 --> 01:46:41.810
So now would be discussion.

01:46:41.810 --> 01:46:43.810
Okay.

01:46:43.810 --> 01:46:45.810
So if I can just interject, it's

01:46:45.810 --> 01:46:47.810
very important that this suspension

01:46:47.810 --> 01:46:49.810
of the rules happen tonight for this

01:46:49.810 --> 01:46:51.810
item because it reserves our

01:46:51.810 --> 01:46:53.810
$3 million, $27,000

01:46:53.810 --> 01:46:55.810
for this project.

01:46:55.810 --> 01:46:57.810
If we don't get it reserved,

01:46:57.810 --> 01:47:02.930
to we'll answer any questions you have but it's very important that the suspension happens tonight

01:47:03.729 --> 01:47:06.930
so we can reserve this money before the end of the EPA fiscal year.

01:47:09.649 --> 01:47:14.850
Thank you. So I've got multiple questions here. How much of this money is going to Fehr Graham?

01:47:16.210 --> 01:47:21.890
About 400,000 with the design and with the inspection. This requires full-time

01:47:22.850 --> 01:47:24.930
inspection for all the service line replacements.

01:47:24.930 --> 01:47:27.399
Huffines.

01:47:27.399 --> 01:47:28.399
So $400,000.

01:47:28.399 --> 01:47:29.399
Yep.

01:47:29.399 --> 01:47:32.680
And the rest goes to the contractor that's putting it in?

01:47:32.680 --> 01:47:33.680
Yes.

01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:34.680
Okay.

01:47:34.680 --> 01:47:37.239
It's a unit.

01:47:37.239 --> 01:47:39.640
This bid is a unit price bid.

01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:44.380
So they get exactly paid for what units they install.

01:47:44.380 --> 01:47:46.600
So if it's 100 feet, they get paid for 100 feet.

01:47:46.600 --> 01:47:49.319
If it's 200 feet, they get paid for 200 feet.

01:47:49.319 --> 01:47:53.739
It's a unit price bid on every item that's used within the service material.

01:47:53.739 --> 01:47:59.800
and again, we already had a debt ordinance for $12 million, but this program's been going

01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:05.920
so long that we had to re-up this to get the final $3 million because I think we're over

01:48:05.920 --> 01:48:06.920
year five here.

01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:07.920
Alderman Klemm, did you?

01:48:07.920 --> 01:48:08.920
Motion to suspend.

01:48:08.920 --> 01:48:09.920
Oh, okay.

01:48:09.920 --> 01:48:10.920
Well then, just one second.

01:48:10.920 --> 01:48:11.920
Second.

01:48:11.920 --> 01:48:12.920
We're still in discussion.

01:48:12.920 --> 01:48:13.920
Yeah, because Stacey had her.

01:48:13.920 --> 01:48:14.920
That's right.

01:48:14.920 --> 01:48:15.920
Alderman Stacey had her.

01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:16.920
Okay.

01:48:16.920 --> 01:48:17.920
Go ahead.

01:48:17.920 --> 01:48:27.640
Alderman, Stacey Hetter. Okay go ahead. You know why is this just coming to the

01:48:27.640 --> 01:48:34.119
council tonight? Because we just approved the bids at the last meeting. You can't

01:48:34.119 --> 01:48:37.720
you can't do the debt ordinance without having the bid and we just approved the

01:48:37.720 --> 01:48:42.399
bid at the last full meeting so it would be natural that it would come to this

01:48:42.399 --> 01:48:49.539
Speedy. Okay, is there a motion to suspend the

01:48:49.539 --> 01:48:58.440
roll? So moved. Check them. Okay, may I give the rhetoric, Chair? Suspension of the

01:48:58.440 --> 01:49:06.579
rules requires a two-thirds majority vote and it is non-debatable. Okay, call the roll.

01:49:06.579 --> 01:49:22.739
Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? No. Parker? Aye. And Stacy?

01:49:59.199 --> 01:50:23.489
Stacy, the suspension passes six to one. So now before them, if there's no further discussion, would be the final vote on the ordinance.

01:50:23.489 --> 01:50:31.489
Okay. Do you have a motion for the final vote for the ordinance? No, you don't need a motion. Oh, okay. Just the vote? Okay.

01:50:31.489 --> 01:50:42.489
If they're ready to vote, then they can vote. Call the roll. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? No.

01:50:42.489 --> 01:50:51.130
Parker? Aye. And Stacy? Aye. The ordinance passes six to one. Okay we'll move on to

01:50:51.130 --> 01:51:00.329
first reading of item number 11. Reading of ordinance 20, 25, 27. Ordinance

01:51:00.329 --> 01:51:07.569
approving hangar leases C5, Jeff Matica, K9, Mike and Kim Robinson. Manager Boyer?

01:51:07.569 --> 01:51:13.289
thank you madam chair as we've been doing with all airport leases we brought

01:51:13.289 --> 01:51:20.689
these two before you for approval it is as the clerk had stated it was c5 with

01:51:20.689 --> 01:51:26.229
Jeff Monica and canine with Mike and Kim Robinson so staff recommends moving

01:51:26.229 --> 01:51:34.930
forward with the suspension of the rules motion to move forward second it's been

01:51:34.930 --> 01:51:42.489
moved in second is any other all in favor nope just discussion or discussion and

01:51:42.489 --> 01:51:47.090
then if no discussion then a motion for suspension of the rules okay so there's

01:51:47.090 --> 01:51:54.939
such a so move second second suspension of the rules requires a two-thirds vote

01:51:54.939 --> 01:52:00.300
and is non debatable are you ready for the vote chair go ahead Shadel hi

01:52:00.300 --> 01:52:10.699
Sanders, Sellers, Klemm, Monroe, Parker, and Stacy. Suspension is approved 7 to 0.

01:52:10.699 --> 01:52:15.899
Is there, now we go ahead and make the motion to... No motion, just if they're

01:52:15.899 --> 01:52:30.220
ready to vote, just the final vote. Shadle, Sanders, Sellers, Klemm, Monroe, Parker, and Stacy.

01:52:30.220 --> 01:52:37.260
Aye. The ordinance is approved seven to zero. Okay we move on to the adoption of resolution

01:52:38.939 --> 01:52:48.300
R-2025-44. Resolution accepting a safety grant from the Illinois Public Risk Fund

01:52:48.300 --> 01:52:53.739
grant and authorizing the use of the grant funds to purchase automated external defibrillators or

01:52:53.739 --> 01:52:57.939
or AEDs from Zoll Medical Corporation for Use by the City.

01:53:00.260 --> 01:53:01.579
Director Richter.

01:53:01.579 --> 01:53:02.420
Thank you.

01:53:03.220 --> 01:53:07.619
The City of Freeport's Workman's Compensation Carrier

01:53:07.619 --> 01:53:12.460
is the Illinois Public Risk Fund or IPRF.

01:53:12.460 --> 01:53:14.699
They offer an annual safety grant

01:53:14.699 --> 01:53:16.420
to members that are in good standing.

01:53:16.420 --> 01:53:20.300
There's not an application process to receive these funds.

01:53:20.300 --> 01:53:23.239
However, the funds must be used on an item

01:53:23.239 --> 01:53:27.359
or items from a designated listing of safety items

01:53:27.359 --> 01:53:29.359
provided by IPRF.

01:53:30.680 --> 01:53:35.439
The city of Freeport's award amount for this program

01:53:35.439 --> 01:53:40.319
for 2025 is $14,419.

01:53:40.319 --> 01:53:42.359
And the city would like to utilize these funds

01:53:42.359 --> 01:53:45.960
to purchase seven automated external defibrillators

01:53:45.960 --> 01:53:47.939
for various city buildings.

01:53:49.119 --> 01:53:51.880
AEDs are used to help those experiencing

01:53:51.880 --> 01:53:53.819
A sudden cardiac arrest.

01:53:53.819 --> 01:53:59.520
It is a sophisticated yet easy to use medical device that can analyze the heart's rhythm

01:53:59.520 --> 01:54:06.140
and if necessary deliver an electric shock or defibrillation to help the heart reestablish

01:54:06.140 --> 01:54:07.939
an effective rhythm.

01:54:07.939 --> 01:54:12.439
The device is designed to be user-friendly with clear instructions on how to use it in

01:54:12.439 --> 01:54:14.380
case of emergency.

01:54:14.380 --> 01:54:21.420
It's important for our staff to be aware of what an AED is and how to use it as it can

01:54:21.420 --> 01:54:24.340
make a difference in saving someone's life.

01:54:24.340 --> 01:54:27.779
We've attached a quote from Zoll Medical Corporation

01:54:27.779 --> 01:54:30.300
to purchase these seven units, and it

01:54:30.300 --> 01:54:33.140
is the request of the finance committee

01:54:33.140 --> 01:54:36.539
for the city council to approve the purchase.

01:54:36.539 --> 01:54:40.100
And just a little PS, we do have one of these devices.

01:54:40.100 --> 01:54:42.239
It's over here in this white cabinet,

01:54:42.239 --> 01:54:45.619
so you can see about how big it is.

01:54:45.619 --> 01:54:47.899
A few years ago, all the staff had training

01:54:47.899 --> 01:54:49.819
on how to use that device.

01:54:49.819 --> 01:54:56.460
So once these ones are purchased, we've talked to the fire department about doing that again.

01:54:56.460 --> 01:55:01.079
Even though they're easy to use, I think a training would be warranted.

01:55:01.079 --> 01:55:04.300
So that is the request.

01:55:04.300 --> 01:55:05.300
Okay.

01:55:05.300 --> 01:55:07.819
Do you have?

01:55:07.819 --> 01:55:09.300
We need a motion and a second first.

01:55:09.300 --> 01:55:10.300
Oh, we need a motion.

01:55:10.300 --> 01:55:11.300
So move.

01:55:11.300 --> 01:55:12.300
Second.

01:55:12.300 --> 01:55:13.300
Okay.

01:55:13.300 --> 01:55:14.300
Parker and Shadle.

01:55:14.300 --> 01:55:15.300
Parker and Shadle?

01:55:15.300 --> 01:55:16.300
Are there any questions?

01:55:16.300 --> 01:55:17.300
Yes.

01:55:17.300 --> 01:55:18.300
Discussion?

01:55:18.300 --> 01:55:25.979
yes uh is there any uh how many units did you say um that we're requesting to buy

01:55:25.979 --> 01:55:30.539
seven of them by seven for the fourteen thousand dollars so so there's

01:55:30.539 --> 01:55:35.899
designated areas for these seven devices yes already could you tell us where

01:55:35.899 --> 01:55:42.060
they're located well the proposed areas were on island avenue and the office

01:55:42.060 --> 01:55:47.100
um construction shed wastewater treatment plant control room uh birchard

01:55:47.100 --> 01:55:52.439
Howard Water Plant and the Wastewater Treatment Plant Maintenance Area.

01:55:52.439 --> 01:56:04.310
We've also had requests from the police department for the individual cars for the police officers.

01:56:04.310 --> 01:56:11.909
We've also had requests from the fire department for additional units in the offices in the

01:56:11.909 --> 01:56:14.050
buildings themselves.

01:56:14.050 --> 01:56:16.989
So that's way more than seven.

01:56:16.989 --> 01:56:21.869
so we're going to have to prioritize and you know since you know maybe because

01:56:21.869 --> 01:56:26.430
some places have one closer you know we'll have to prioritize where we put

01:56:26.430 --> 01:56:34.670
them. So this is standard equipment for the city, the city overall

01:56:34.670 --> 01:56:40.750
administration, location areas, departments I should say. Well we haven't

01:56:40.750 --> 01:56:46.470
had this many units before but we also haven't had a grant to pay for them.

01:56:46.470 --> 01:56:47.470
Miller.

01:56:47.470 --> 01:56:52.789
And this grant, it happened to be in their newsletter this month as well, a whole page

01:56:52.789 --> 01:57:00.470
on how important AEDs are and the ease of use, so we thought it was a good use of those

01:57:00.470 --> 01:57:01.470
funds.

01:57:01.470 --> 01:57:02.470
Okay.

01:57:02.470 --> 01:57:03.470
Okay.

01:57:03.470 --> 01:57:04.470
Thank you.

01:57:04.470 --> 01:57:05.630
I just have a question.

01:57:05.630 --> 01:57:06.949
How many do we have right now?

01:57:06.949 --> 01:57:10.510
Do we have that one, and where else do we have any?

01:57:10.510 --> 01:57:16.029
I believe Ashley has two at the library, and there's one at the police department.

01:57:16.029 --> 01:57:36.029
Shadle, Aye. Sanders, Aye. Sellers, Aye. Klemm, Aye. Monroe, Aye. Parker, Aye. Stacy, Aye. The resolution is adopted 7-0.

01:57:37.819 --> 01:57:53.180
Adoption of Resolution R-2025-45 Resolution approving a proposal from Tomcat Consultants

01:57:53.180 --> 01:57:59.220
for rental of temporary portable hydro-pneumatic tanks during Burchard Water Tower painting

01:57:59.220 --> 01:58:00.659
project.

01:58:00.659 --> 01:58:07.979
Thank you Madam Chair. So we have a annual maintenance contract where we

01:58:07.979 --> 01:58:12.380
basically pay a company several or certain amount of money every year and

01:58:12.380 --> 01:58:16.539
then at various maintenance intervals they come in and they will perform that

01:58:16.539 --> 01:58:21.579
maintenance. So it's time to get the Burchard water tower painted. It's kind

01:58:21.579 --> 01:58:26.579
of an extensive process and because we have to take the water out of the tower

01:58:26.579 --> 01:58:31.539
Miller. We need to put in a hydropneumatic, a temporary hydropneumatic tank that would

01:58:31.539 --> 01:58:39.500
allow us to paint the interior and paint the exterior. So, staff has put forward a resolution

01:58:39.500 --> 01:58:45.220
for you to move forward with the funding of the pressure vessel. And we did, this was

01:58:45.220 --> 01:58:48.729
budgeted in the utility budget, so.

01:58:48.729 --> 01:58:49.729
Do we do a motion?

01:58:49.729 --> 01:58:50.729
Yes.

01:58:50.729 --> 01:58:52.729
Okay. Is there a motion to approve?

01:58:52.729 --> 01:58:53.729
Motion to approve.

01:58:53.729 --> 01:58:54.729
Second.

01:58:54.729 --> 01:58:55.729
Thank you.

01:58:55.729 --> 01:58:56.729
Can I?

01:58:56.729 --> 01:59:26.729
Can I ask, this will be roll call? Oh, it'll be roll call. Discussion? Yeah. Okay. Can I ask you, is this an annual schedule? How often do we do this? Is this scheduled for this type of project on a yearly, annually, or? About every 10 years. Every 10 years? Yeah. So how long has that tower been in place? I don't know, 25

01:59:26.729 --> 01:59:33.770
but I think it uh, go ahead Dan. It's 12 years. Okay. 12. So it's scheduled. It should be scheduled.

01:59:33.770 --> 01:59:37.850
It's scheduled for this July. It was actually scheduled for last July and we...

01:59:37.850 --> 01:59:45.000
We actually scheduled for last July and we pushed it because we were just getting the the water plant finished and we didn't want to interfere with that construction and finishing that project.

01:59:45.000 --> 01:59:53.000
And so we actually pushed it to this. It was scheduled to start the first week of July and take four weeks.

01:59:53.000 --> 01:59:56.000
Okay. Four to six weeks. Okay. All right. Thanks.

01:59:56.000 --> 02:00:06.439
Thanks. Yeah, that was my question as far as how often is this painted? Because I thought it came to the council last year, but you're saying it did not happen.

02:00:07.119 --> 02:00:24.479
Yeah, so the the item that you're discussing was the logo changes for that tower as part of the painting projects. And again, we pay the maintenance contract. So it was the city of Freeport's choice to push last year, because I couldn't get these tanks under rental as well as we were

02:00:24.479 --> 02:00:27.600
Finishing, Butchard Restorations and all that stuff.

02:00:27.600 --> 02:00:32.760
So there's very few companies that do this type of water tank,

02:00:32.840 --> 02:00:34.000
hydro-pneumatic tanks.

02:00:34.279 --> 02:00:38.560
And so as people get booked up, it's very hard to get them placed.

02:00:38.560 --> 02:00:43.960
So again, the last time we painted this, I believe was 12 years ago.

02:00:44.359 --> 02:00:46.119
It should have been scheduled for last year.

02:00:46.119 --> 02:00:48.319
We pushed it to this year, which is no problem.

02:00:48.359 --> 02:00:49.960
It's under the maintenance contract.

02:00:50.399 --> 02:00:53.840
You do the exterior about every 10 years and you do a full tank painting

02:00:53.840 --> 02:00:56.079
about every 20 years.

02:00:56.079 --> 02:00:57.279
And it's very expensive.

02:00:57.279 --> 02:01:03.000
I mean, a full tank painting is close to probably $400,000

02:01:03.000 --> 02:01:04.439
for this type of tank.

02:01:04.439 --> 02:01:08.600
So when we budgeted for it last year,

02:01:08.600 --> 02:01:10.760
what did we do with that money?

02:01:10.760 --> 02:01:13.119
It stayed in the surplus, and we re-budgeted it

02:01:13.119 --> 02:01:14.000
for it this year.

02:01:14.000 --> 02:01:15.319
And this is to put that.

02:01:15.319 --> 02:01:16.840
Yeah, and this is cheaper than what we

02:01:16.840 --> 02:01:19.680
budgeted for the total rental.

02:01:19.680 --> 02:01:21.680
This is to put that leaf.

02:01:21.680 --> 02:01:23.239
No, we did not approve that.

02:01:23.239 --> 02:01:26.119
and it's gonna stay looking just like it is now.

02:01:26.119 --> 02:01:29.020
It's just a re over scarifying

02:01:29.020 --> 02:01:33.069
and recoding of the entire tank.

02:01:33.069 --> 02:01:36.670
And the painting is part of our annual contract.

02:01:36.670 --> 02:01:39.630
So we pay a fee annually that's in the budget

02:01:39.630 --> 02:01:41.149
for that tower that's the only one

02:01:41.149 --> 02:01:45.939
that has a maintenance contract.

02:01:45.939 --> 02:01:47.960
And this funding is coming from what?

02:01:49.739 --> 02:01:52.180
The utility budget we budgeted from.

02:01:52.180 --> 02:01:54.319
It's budgeted in operations.

02:01:54.319 --> 02:01:56.939
Yeah, I believe we budgeted 60,000 for it.

02:01:57.180 --> 02:02:28.649
Is there any other discussion? If not is there a roll call? Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? Aye. Parker? Aye. And Stacey? Aye. The resolution is adopted 7-0 Move on to item number 14 approval of bid. Bid opening on April 15th 2025 for Fuel Island concrete pavement.

02:02:28.649 --> 02:02:39.039
Manager Boyer. Thank you, Madam Chair. The City of Freeport is currently working on an upgrade to the fuel system that is required by upcoming

02:02:40.560 --> 02:02:56.920
environmental requirements. So we'll bring it up to specification. On April 15 2025, the city had a public bid opening for the concrete portion of the job. It was a 12 inches full depth concrete installation

02:02:56.920 --> 02:03:01.119
for the fuel station. Once the fuel equipment work is done the project has

02:03:01.119 --> 02:03:06.720
three bidder, three bidders have pulled the plans and all three bids. The lower

02:03:06.720 --> 02:03:13.600
bidder was the DPI construction in the amount of $77,933.87. This bid

02:03:13.600 --> 02:03:17.560
was under the engineers estimate and staff requests City Council approval of

02:03:17.560 --> 02:03:36.949
is there any discussion? Madam Chair I would like to say on this item we give a

02:03:36.949 --> 02:03:42.270
lot of credit to the Public Works Department I believe we budgeted $170,000

02:03:42.270 --> 02:03:46.510
for this item this year and with the spring weather we've been having the

02:03:46.510 --> 02:03:49.989
Public Works team do all the removals and all the aggregate placement to save

02:03:49.989 --> 02:04:09.590
We budgeted $170,000. I imagine by the time we're all done with this with electrical and things, we'll probably be around right around $100,000. So we should have about $70,000 savings.

02:04:09.590 --> 02:04:46.119
Good deal, thank you. Is there a motion? So move. We've got Shadle and Klemm. Okay. Call the roll. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye. Monroe? Abstain. Parker? Aye. And Stacy? Aye. The motion passes six to zero with one absentia. We'll move on to item number 15.

02:04:46.119 --> 02:04:54.920
The approval of bid opening on April 16, 2025 for 2025 city-wide tree removal.

02:04:54.920 --> 02:04:55.880
Manager Boyer.

02:04:55.880 --> 02:04:59.960
Thank you, Madam Chair. Each year we've been systematically going through town,

02:04:59.960 --> 02:05:04.359
marking the most large and dangerous trees that are outside of the size that we can safely manage

02:05:04.359 --> 02:05:14.520
with our forestry department. This year we had two bidders. One was, let's see here, it was

02:05:14.520 --> 02:05:22.000
Pardon me for a second as I recall, it was a Homer Tree Service and oh gosh our local

02:05:22.000 --> 02:05:32.899
one there, Ingram. Yeah, Area Tree. Anyway, the Homer's bid was lowest at $73,167.50 and

02:05:32.899 --> 02:05:37.260
we budgeted for that in the 2025 budget and staff recommends moving forward with the Homer

02:05:37.260 --> 02:05:39.260
Tree Service bid.

02:05:39.260 --> 02:05:49.699
Is there a motion? Oh, I'll second it. Okay, so is Klemm and Monroe, thank you. Question. Is there any

02:05:49.699 --> 02:05:55.460
discussion? Okay. See, manager, did we have Homer Tree Service do the removals

02:05:55.460 --> 02:06:00.659
last year as well? I believe we did. And how did that go? Very fast, very complete,

02:06:00.659 --> 02:06:06.380
yeah. Okay. They did a good job. Yeah, they removed about 30 trees last year and

02:06:06.380 --> 02:06:15.619
and I would like to also mention just this contract is a significant savings for the

02:06:15.619 --> 02:06:20.859
city of Freeport when we don't have to take down emergency trees we would probably get

02:06:20.859 --> 02:06:27.340
about 10 to 12 trees done instead we're going to get 31 done for the same for the same price

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emergency trees cost a lot more money so this program has been very effective in saving

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Long-term money to the the city so if we were doing them as emergencies like

02:06:41.380 --> 02:06:45.819
we've done in the past we would only get about 12 trees probably done for this

02:06:45.819 --> 02:06:52.890
amount or we're in this contract we'll get 31 done instead

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Ottoman Sanders didn't you have yeah I have one but I'm gonna pass go ahead so

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Huffines.

02:07:00.449 --> 02:07:01.449
Is there a motion to...

02:07:01.449 --> 02:07:02.449
We've got Klemm.

02:07:02.449 --> 02:07:03.449
Okay, so now it's...

02:07:03.449 --> 02:07:04.449
More discussion.

02:07:04.449 --> 02:07:05.449
Oh, I'm sorry.

02:07:05.449 --> 02:07:06.449
I didn't see Ann.

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Come on.

02:07:07.449 --> 02:07:19.640
The two companies that did it, there was a $50 difference.

02:07:19.640 --> 02:07:29.439
Would the other company had been willing to give us the 30, whatever you said?

02:07:29.439 --> 02:07:36.880
So by bid rules, it would be illegal for us to ask them to match prices.

02:07:36.880 --> 02:07:39.119
That's why we do an open bid process.

02:07:39.119 --> 02:07:46.319
In our city of Freeport, procurement standards that we govern with don't allow us to negotiate

02:07:46.319 --> 02:07:48.539
with the second bidder.

02:07:48.539 --> 02:07:53.039
We have a process here and we have to go with the low bidder if they're responsible to do

02:07:53.039 --> 02:07:54.039
the work.

02:07:54.039 --> 02:07:57.880
Homer performed the work last year without any issues.

02:07:57.880 --> 02:08:04.520
So we are bound by our bidding rules to accept that low bidder and if we don't it could possibly

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open us up to litigation.

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Okay, I wasn't asking to have the other company underbid to match this company.

02:08:17.680 --> 02:08:20.600
I'm saying it was just $50 difference.

02:08:20.600 --> 02:08:21.600
Correct.

02:08:21.600 --> 02:08:23.920
It was the tightest bid I've ever seen.

02:08:23.920 --> 02:08:30.239
Okay, so what I'm asking is, would they have given us, what did you say, 32 trees?

02:08:30.239 --> 02:08:32.440
Yeah, they have both been the same, 31 trees.

02:08:32.440 --> 02:08:33.440
31 trees.

02:08:33.440 --> 02:08:38.680
Yep, we actually went out and a map was given, exact locations of these trees, and they were

02:08:38.680 --> 02:08:42.520
invited to go out and look at them and measure them themselves.

02:08:42.520 --> 02:08:47.479
We go out, there's a long story, it's a tree process, we actually go out and we have to

02:08:47.479 --> 02:08:51.600
measure the inches of the tree at four foot high, it's an IDOT rule, and that's what they

02:08:51.600 --> 02:08:52.600
Huffines.

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That's the basis of BID, so it's a total of so many inches for 31 trees.

02:08:57.520 --> 02:09:02.680
The largest tree on this is 56 inches around, so it's a very large tree.

02:09:02.680 --> 02:09:04.720
Have we ever used the other company?

02:09:04.720 --> 02:09:07.680
Yes, we use Area Tree Service all the time.

02:09:07.680 --> 02:09:14.079
I'm just a little surprised that we would go to Lockport where we had someone right

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here.

02:09:16.079 --> 02:09:22.760
So the city staff had that discussion and we have to live by our procurement standards.

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That's why we don't have a choice.

02:09:23.760 --> 02:09:27.440
You always choose the one with the less.

02:09:27.440 --> 02:09:33.079
That is our procurement standard is just to select the lowest responsive bidder unless

02:09:33.079 --> 02:09:36.000
West, the city has some justification for not.

02:09:36.000 --> 02:09:41.510
some justification for not choosing them say if they hadn't done a good job before or we had litigation with them or we

02:09:41.510 --> 02:09:43.510
had some track record of

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they weren't going to perform well on the job and we don't have that in this case to be able to eliminate them.

02:09:54.430 --> 02:09:56.430
Any other question?

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Call the roll. Shadle? Aye. Sanders? Aye. Sellers? Aye. Klemm? Aye.

02:10:01.569 --> 02:10:11.689
Monroe, Parker, and Stacy. The motion passes 7 to 0. Now we're at number 16

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explanation of removal of Josh Atkins for Planning Commission presented by

02:10:17.770 --> 02:10:28.060
Alderman Stacy and Monroe. You know I just like to say how convenient for the

02:10:28.060 --> 02:10:32.520
and Mayor not to be here tonight.

02:10:32.520 --> 02:10:50.600
You know, April 7th, that first meeting, Council was asked to accept someone to the Planning

02:10:50.600 --> 02:10:53.039
Committee.

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And I asked the question, like I always ask, why this person?

02:10:59.319 --> 02:11:10.659
that there was an open position on that committee well that was the furthest

02:11:10.659 --> 02:11:21.279
thing from the truth because that happened on Monday and Tuesday Joshua

02:11:21.279 --> 02:11:27.960
but Atkinson was fired from his position.

02:11:27.960 --> 02:11:31.939
And that's not how it works.

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Again, another ordinance and rules are not followed.

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I don't know who all knew that there was not an opening.

02:11:46.739 --> 02:11:54.060
The way it was brought to the council was that of an opening

02:11:54.060 --> 02:11:59.159
but now we can't even trust that.

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And it states that any member of the Planning Commission

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may be removed by the mayor subject

02:12:05.399 --> 02:12:10.399
to confirmation of such removal by the council.

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Did not happen.

02:12:17.340 --> 02:12:20.199
For purpose of this section,

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missing three consecutive meetings

02:12:23.319 --> 02:12:25.279
of the Planning Commission

02:12:25.279 --> 02:12:30.279
shall be deemed to be due cause of removal.

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Did not happen.

02:12:37.689 --> 02:12:40.170
In his time served on this committee,

02:12:40.170 --> 02:12:45.170
he may have missed one meeting.

02:12:51.699 --> 02:12:55.399
And so my purpose for putting this on the agenda tonight

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was for Madam Mayor

02:13:01.659 --> 02:13:06.659
to explain why she would violate this ordinance

02:13:09.989 --> 02:13:17.970
and proceed to do what she did unlawfully.

02:13:18.010 --> 02:13:25.189
It has got to stop.

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Violation of ordinance by choice

02:13:30.390 --> 02:13:35.390
just because has got to stop.

02:13:35.390 --> 02:13:56.979
Stop. We open up every meeting with prayer. Say we gonna do the right thing. I wish some

02:13:56.979 --> 02:14:10.470
of you were in my shoes and then you would know my heart and understand my frustration.

02:14:10.470 --> 02:14:20.449
Right is right and wrong is wrong. And this is just not right, no matter how you look

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Bates, and the other members of the public.

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I'm not going to speak for the mayor. I'm not going to try to speak for the mayor as to whatever explanations.

02:14:32.520 --> 02:14:34.520
And I wouldn't want you to.

02:14:35.520 --> 02:14:41.520
Thank you. But what I can speak to is just what the rules were and the law is, okay?

02:14:42.520 --> 02:14:47.520
So you did cite from a section of the code there that deals with the removal of a Planning Commission member.

02:14:47.520 --> 02:15:17.520
from a section of the code there that deals with the removal of a Planning Commission member, and you're accurate that if there's a sitting member, like that they're within their term, that if they're going to remove, the mayor can initiate the removal process, and then that removal is subject to confirmation by the City Council. So that part is accurate for someone who's currently sitting that's in the middle of their term, okay? My understanding is that Mr. Atkinson's term expired, I want to say in October of 2020.

02:15:17.520 --> 02:15:25.359
24. So this was in a reappointment situation and so the mayor chose to reappoint someone different.

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Follow-up, please. You know, I'm sorry that you came with that. So I must read an email from April

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14-15, 2024. Appointment to the Planning Commission. Effective immediately, I hereby appoint Joshua

02:15:56.199 --> 02:16:10.000
T. Atkinson to the Planning Commission to fill the seat held by Jane Somebody, Ruth,

02:16:10.000 --> 02:16:25.779
which expires October 31st, 2024. Same email. This appointment shall be effective through

02:16:25.779 --> 02:16:43.829
October 31st, 2024 and automatically be reappointed to fulfill the next four years seat term dated

02:16:43.829 --> 02:16:56.270
the 15th day of April 2024 respectfully submitted Jodi Miller, Mayor of Freeport.

02:16:56.270 --> 02:17:06.750
So she did state that he was filling a seat, but then she turned right around in the same

02:17:06.750 --> 02:17:29.680
email and says that October 31st he would fill a four year term, 24, 25, 28, and then

02:17:29.680 --> 02:17:35.239
He received a letter of termination.

02:17:35.239 --> 02:17:36.079
Yes.

02:17:37.600 --> 02:17:39.040
Joy.

02:17:39.040 --> 02:17:40.040
Attorney Zito.

02:17:40.040 --> 02:17:41.680
Oh, go ahead, attorney.

02:17:42.559 --> 02:17:44.319
So I'm aware of that letter,

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and I'm aware that even on the agenda,

02:17:47.280 --> 02:17:50.079
when Mr. Atkinson was on the agenda

02:17:50.079 --> 02:17:51.799
for his appointment initially,

02:17:51.799 --> 02:17:53.579
to fill the remainder of the unexpired term

02:17:53.579 --> 02:17:55.680
until October 31st, 2021,

02:17:55.680 --> 02:17:58.040
that the agenda heading actually also did say then,

02:17:58.040 --> 02:18:01.040
mentioned the immediate reappointment

02:18:01.040 --> 02:18:03.559
for a successor four-year term.

02:18:03.559 --> 02:18:05.079
That was probably an oversight.

02:18:05.079 --> 02:18:09.559
I'll be first to say that I'll take my portion of the blame

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in not catching it at the time of that appointment,

02:18:11.559 --> 02:18:16.559
but the appointment can only be, per our ordinance,

02:18:16.700 --> 02:18:20.680
can only be for the remainder of the expired term.

02:18:20.680 --> 02:18:23.079
The mayor, the council didn't have the authority

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to do the successor part.

02:18:25.040 --> 02:18:26.879
On the 31st, there should have been,

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and the other members of the public.

02:18:28.879 --> 02:18:31.399
And, I think, you know, the

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next meeting, or whenever the closest meeting was next

02:18:34.979 --> 02:18:37.500
available after the October 31st, there should have been a

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reappointment at that point, but that didn't happen.

02:18:40.500 --> 02:18:45.159
So, basically what I'm saying is the automatic successor

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appointment didn't have legal standing.

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It probably should have never happened that way.

02:18:49.159 --> 02:18:51.159
But how many times have it happened?

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I don't know. Well, that's something we need to

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find out. And, certainly, if it's happened,

02:18:56.620 --> 02:19:02.100
the Mayor would need to make re-appointments or fill those appointments again, you know,

02:19:02.100 --> 02:19:07.399
so it would need to be corrected again, so.

02:19:07.399 --> 02:19:18.159
Again, here we set a simple ordinance that you can't even follow and so now I'm going

02:19:18.159 --> 02:19:27.290
to need to know who's on what committee, when and how they were appointed to that committee

02:19:27.290 --> 02:19:32.860
and I'm going to even take it a step further because it's

02:19:32.860 --> 02:19:48.100
because it's troubling that this committee where we have a young black gentleman would be removed.

02:19:48.100 --> 02:19:52.100
Are we going DEI on our committees now?

02:19:52.100 --> 02:19:59.350
But she's not here to answer that question and you can't answer it for her.

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I'm just saying, diversity, equity, in what she did, she said a lot, and she did a lot,

02:20:18.059 --> 02:20:26.340
and it's not, and should not be accepted.

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Is there anyone else?

02:20:28.340 --> 02:20:41.299
Yeah, Attorney Zito, in an event of this nature, how do we make this whole again?

02:20:41.299 --> 02:20:52.340
How do we reestablish or reinstate a situation where it could have been a wrong situation

02:20:52.340 --> 02:20:56.180
that was done and how do we correct it?

02:20:56.180 --> 02:21:03.739
I would expect you to probably be able to give us some consultation on that matter if

02:21:03.739 --> 02:21:04.739
possible.

02:21:04.739 --> 02:21:05.739
Yes.

02:21:05.739 --> 02:21:06.739
Yes.

02:21:06.739 --> 02:21:07.739
Joy.

02:21:07.739 --> 02:21:27.420
So ultimately right now you have someone who's sitting in that spot, Mr. Wilkinson.

02:21:27.420 --> 02:21:29.020
So he's sitting in that spot right now.

02:21:29.020 --> 02:21:37.020
So one possible method is that the mayor could initiate removal of Mr. Wilkinson that would

02:21:37.020 --> 02:21:39.940
be subject to advice and consent of the council.

02:21:39.940 --> 02:21:41.299
That could be one thing that happened.

02:21:41.299 --> 02:21:44.340
Not saying that's how it's going to happen, that could be one way there.

02:21:44.340 --> 02:21:46.860
then at that point there would be a vacancy in the spot.

02:21:46.860 --> 02:21:48.819
The mayor could then make another appointment

02:21:48.819 --> 02:21:51.059
of whoever she wants to appoint to fill the spot

02:21:51.059 --> 02:21:53.459
and that would be subject to advice and consent.

02:21:53.459 --> 02:21:56.100
If the council approves that, then that person sits there.

02:21:56.100 --> 02:21:58.239
So that's one possible scenario.

02:21:58.239 --> 02:22:02.340
Another possible scenario, again, I used the word possible

02:22:02.340 --> 02:22:05.819
is what you have on later on in the agenda

02:22:05.819 --> 02:22:08.100
at the request of Alderman Stacy,

02:22:08.100 --> 02:22:11.680
there is a motion to rescind the advice and consent

02:22:11.680 --> 02:22:14.639
that you previously gave, that this council previously gave

02:22:14.639 --> 02:22:17.239
to Mr. Wilkinson there.

02:22:17.239 --> 02:22:21.719
And so that's coming up on the later in the agenda there.

02:22:21.719 --> 02:22:23.719
So I won't jump ahead to that,

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but that'd be another potential route to go.

02:22:27.399 --> 02:22:28.540
And when that comes up,

02:22:28.540 --> 02:22:31.940
I'll discuss the potential pitfalls with that.

02:22:35.899 --> 02:22:42.309
I would like to recommend that added to this ordinance

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Someone that is interested in committees should have to come to the council and present and explain why they would like to be a part of that committee because clearly we cannot respect the judgment of the city mayor anymore.

02:23:16.159 --> 02:23:30.559
so I would like to see that change and see that added into the ordinance so

02:23:30.559 --> 02:23:36.639
there's not an ordinance right now that's before you tonight right right so if you

02:23:36.639 --> 02:23:41.620
wanted to go through that process to request the change to the to the

02:23:41.620 --> 02:23:45.639
ordinances you can you know either talk to Rob about having that drafted so he

02:23:45.639 --> 02:23:49.280
can direct me to draft something or whatever so but that'd be a conversation

02:23:49.280 --> 02:23:58.069
I will be contacting you for that draft if nothing else let's move on to

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department head reports finance nothing tonight okay public public works just

02:24:07.110 --> 02:24:14.790
one thing just wanted to make residents aware starting either late tonight or

02:24:14.790 --> 02:24:21.190
tomorrow you'll be receiving a text an email or possibly a letter from the city

02:24:21.190 --> 02:24:31.350
Freeport. We are required to send an email out about the PFAS detection that we had in 2017 on the

02:24:31.350 --> 02:24:38.110
Brick Street Wells. This is a move by EPA without all communities within Illinois. We have been

02:24:38.110 --> 02:24:43.670
notifying the citizens of Freeport since 2017, so we're way ahead of the curve. This is just a

02:24:43.670 --> 02:24:50.270
requirement. We will be doing it through the electronic communication to save the city money.

02:24:50.270 --> 02:25:20.270
We could send mailers out but the mailers would cost a significant amount of money to mail them. So we're going to do a brief notice. Nothing to panic about. And then in your next water bill, you'll get the full notices sent out. But again, the city's water is safe to drink. We have no issues. It's an EPA requirement based on the new PFAS rules that were put down that we have to notify all of our customers

02:25:20.270 --> 02:25:23.549
even though we've been addressing this for over five years

02:25:23.549 --> 02:25:25.670
and are really leading the charge

02:25:25.670 --> 02:25:28.170
to remove those wells from the system.

02:25:29.110 --> 02:25:30.909
Also, if you have any questions,

02:25:30.909 --> 02:25:34.250
please contact our Environmental Compliance Officer,

02:25:34.250 --> 02:25:35.969
Randy Kohlbauer.

02:25:35.969 --> 02:25:39.309
Her name and number will be on the city's website.

02:25:39.309 --> 02:25:40.909
If you have questions,

02:25:40.909 --> 02:25:44.069
she'll be the best resource to answer anything for you.

02:25:44.069 --> 02:25:44.909
Thank you.

02:25:44.909 --> 02:25:45.750
Okay, Fire.

02:25:46.670 --> 02:25:48.389
Yes, thank you, Madam Chair.

02:25:48.389 --> 02:25:49.790
I'd like to share with council

02:25:49.790 --> 02:25:55.549
that recently the fire department acquired a new aerial drone device that has latest

02:25:55.549 --> 02:26:02.750
technology and also has thermal imaging capabilities. We were able to acquire this device due to

02:26:02.750 --> 02:26:09.549
a generous donation from the Marvin Stecco family estate. The fire department would like

02:26:09.549 --> 02:26:16.030
to thank the families of Deputy Chief Scott Stecco and his brother Darren for their generous

02:26:16.030 --> 02:26:21.870
Donation, and Support of our Operations and Equipment. So thank you. Thank you.

02:26:21.870 --> 02:26:27.549
Police. Thank you Madam Chair. Just an announcement, we are holding our spring

02:26:27.549 --> 02:26:33.629
drug take-back event this Saturday from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. at the police

02:26:33.629 --> 02:26:38.110
department. So if you have prescription drugs that you want to dispose of, you

02:26:38.110 --> 02:26:41.829
can do that at that time. It's also important to note that we do have a

02:26:41.829 --> 02:26:42.829
Huffines.

02:26:42.829 --> 02:26:46.909
We have a receptacle in the lobby, well, the vestibule of the police department, so it

02:26:46.909 --> 02:26:51.389
can be done at any time of the year, but this is a big one that we do for people to drop

02:26:51.389 --> 02:26:54.069
off any unused prescription drugs.

02:26:54.069 --> 02:26:55.069
Library?

02:26:55.069 --> 02:26:56.069
No report.

02:26:56.069 --> 02:26:57.069
We have manage...

02:26:57.069 --> 02:26:59.829
IT.

02:26:59.829 --> 02:27:00.829
Huh?

02:27:00.829 --> 02:27:01.829
IT.

02:27:01.829 --> 02:27:10.920
Oh, I was going to say communications, but our IT, do we do communications?

02:27:10.920 --> 02:27:12.920
I don't think he's done.

02:27:12.920 --> 02:27:13.920
Is he?

02:27:13.920 --> 02:27:14.920
Oh, okay.

02:27:14.920 --> 02:27:15.920
Airport.

02:27:15.920 --> 02:27:18.079
So now we have city manager.

02:27:18.079 --> 02:27:19.079
Thank you, Madam Chair.

02:27:19.079 --> 02:27:22.760
I just would like to thank the council's support for all the things we were able to move forward

02:27:22.760 --> 02:27:23.760
tonight.

02:27:23.760 --> 02:27:24.760
Thank you.

02:27:24.760 --> 02:27:25.760
Okay.

02:27:25.760 --> 02:27:32.799
We'll go with Alderman Shadle.

02:27:32.799 --> 02:27:35.000
Thank you.

02:27:35.000 --> 02:27:43.159
I've been noticing a lot of the public comments in the last few meetings where there's things

02:27:43.159 --> 02:27:50.159
being said that aren't necessarily true and they are not necessarily informed comments.

02:27:55.559 --> 02:28:02.360
A little disheartening when I have the neighborhood watch meetings and I get three to five people

02:28:02.360 --> 02:28:09.360
show up when there's people there to answer questions and to inform people. That being

02:28:09.360 --> 02:28:17.040
that being said Thursday May 1st at Schwartz on Park Boulevard 6 p.m. will be

02:28:17.040 --> 02:28:21.879
a neighborhood watch meeting for the sixth floor. Thank you.

02:28:21.879 --> 02:28:30.280
Ottoman Sanders. Oh yeah, public service announcements. I want to invite everyone

02:28:30.280 --> 02:28:35.280
went out May 24th to meet in the park day.

02:28:37.760 --> 02:28:42.760
It's where we demonstrate events and food fun

02:28:43.719 --> 02:28:47.799
for the entire city of Freeport that wants to come out

02:28:47.799 --> 02:28:52.799
and share this event in the third ward at Taylor Park.

02:28:53.200 --> 02:28:56.319
I'd like to see the cooperation of the city

02:28:56.319 --> 02:29:01.040
being part of it, and it's going to have music fun

02:29:01.040 --> 02:29:04.520
and games and all kinds of entertainment

02:29:04.520 --> 02:29:05.760
that can be provided.

02:29:05.760 --> 02:29:08.639
So I just wanted to let the public know

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that they are invited to come out

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and be a part of this demonstration

02:29:13.760 --> 02:29:16.920
that we're gonna do for May 24th,

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starting at 12 noon.

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I'm just really guessing right now,

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but I'm gonna say 12 noon.

02:29:25.399 --> 02:29:30.680
and I hope to see everybody out there.

02:29:30.680 --> 02:29:32.280
I would just like to let everybody.

02:29:32.280 --> 02:29:39.299
I would just like to let everybody know that the tulips at the Boys and Girls Club are coming out and ride by and see how beautiful they are.

02:29:39.299 --> 02:29:48.299
And also we did have some daffodils and tulips by fire station number two. So check them out and just see how pretty they are.

02:29:48.299 --> 02:29:49.299
Alderman Klemm?

02:29:49.299 --> 02:29:50.299
Nothing.

02:29:50.299 --> 02:29:52.299
Alderman Monroe?

02:29:52.299 --> 02:29:56.739
Nothing tonight.

02:29:56.739 --> 02:29:57.739
Alderman Parker?

02:29:57.739 --> 02:30:00.739
Just our neighborhood watch meetings next Monday night.

02:30:00.739 --> 02:30:40.360
Shadle, Mr. Shadle, I want to make sure this is very truthful and informed for you.

02:30:40.360 --> 02:30:46.399
All the mayor had to do was call me and say, hey, do you mind residing because this was

02:30:46.399 --> 02:30:50.600
a rough campaign and I would have said absolutely I understand and that would have been the

02:30:50.600 --> 02:30:53.000
end of it because that's the kind of person I am.

02:30:53.000 --> 02:30:57.079
Instead, she showed the city of Freeport the kind of person that she is.

02:30:57.079 --> 02:31:02.520
Now with that appointment, yes, attorney, I understand you're in a weird position there.

02:31:02.520 --> 02:31:07.120
You know, October 31st, 2024 was the end of that appointment.

02:31:07.120 --> 02:31:12.920
For her appointment, the one that you guys voted on, unanimously by the way, it was supposed

02:31:12.920 --> 02:31:14.540
to go for another four years.

02:31:14.540 --> 02:31:16.680
I get what Attorney Zito was saying.

02:31:16.680 --> 02:31:17.680
Here's the issue.

02:31:17.680 --> 02:31:20.760
Nobody cared about that for the past six months while I was going to those meetings, though,

02:31:20.760 --> 02:31:21.760
did you?

02:31:21.760 --> 02:31:22.760
Okay?

02:31:22.760 --> 02:31:26.879
I don't want the job back, but I want you to put somebody in there that the city of

02:31:26.879 --> 02:31:29.559
Freeport doesn't have to be concerned about.

02:31:29.559 --> 02:31:30.559
Okay?

02:31:30.559 --> 02:31:31.559
Residency.

02:31:31.559 --> 02:31:33.639
No offense to Chief.

02:31:33.639 --> 02:31:34.840
You know, I respect you.

02:31:34.840 --> 02:31:36.959
You know, I love what you do.

02:31:36.959 --> 02:31:42.739
Here is my take on this because you guys are about to make the same mistake again for the

02:31:42.739 --> 02:31:46.299
next four years because you've done it for the past eight.

02:31:46.299 --> 02:31:48.780
You spent eight years blaming the previous mayors.

02:31:48.780 --> 02:31:51.860
You blamed the previous councils on things that happened.

02:31:51.860 --> 02:31:53.620
We just keep kicking the can down the road.

02:31:53.620 --> 02:31:56.819
We said that a couple of times tonight.

02:31:56.819 --> 02:32:03.379
All that's going to happen is come May 13th, this will be right back on the agenda, right?

02:32:03.379 --> 02:32:04.680
It failed tonight.

02:32:04.680 --> 02:32:07.000
So now we have a residency requirement.

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Come May 13th or shortly thereafter this will be right back on the agenda and they will

02:32:11.200 --> 02:32:14.920
have the votes to do what they want.

02:32:14.920 --> 02:32:15.920
Understand that.

02:32:15.920 --> 02:32:16.920
Learn this.

02:32:16.920 --> 02:32:20.440
I've been watching here every, well, three Mondays a month for the past year.

02:32:20.440 --> 02:32:22.319
I know how this works.

02:32:22.319 --> 02:32:23.319
Trust me on this.

02:32:23.319 --> 02:32:25.120
And I'm not saying that's wrong.

02:32:25.120 --> 02:32:28.799
But here's what you just told the people of Freeport tonight.

02:32:28.799 --> 02:32:30.379
That we are violating an ordinance.

02:32:30.379 --> 02:32:35.219
We've been violating an ordinance for the past eight years.

02:32:35.219 --> 02:32:40.819
One day, I didn't shovel my sidewalk this past winter, and boom, I got a warning letter

02:32:40.819 --> 02:32:41.819
real quick.

02:32:41.819 --> 02:32:44.059
Luckily, it had already melted by the time I got the letter.

02:32:44.059 --> 02:32:46.819
How many people out here have gotten in trouble by the city?

02:32:46.819 --> 02:32:52.739
Well, now we have our entire senior staff, high ranking police department and high ranking

02:32:52.739 --> 02:32:57.139
fire department, now eligible to live wherever they want.

02:32:57.139 --> 02:32:59.180
Oh, no, I'm sorry.

02:32:59.180 --> 02:33:00.180
They're not eligible.

02:33:00.180 --> 02:33:01.180
Fowler.

02:33:01.180 --> 02:33:03.899
They're allowed to but they can because we're going to ignore the ordinance.

02:33:03.899 --> 02:33:08.260
What I hope happens is that you folks go into executive session and you grant the man a

02:33:08.260 --> 02:33:12.340
waiver or I think there's five people, I don't know who those five people are, grant

02:33:12.340 --> 02:33:15.780
them a waiver so that you're not talking about this again.

02:33:15.780 --> 02:33:21.200
Give them a waiver, let it go through, they're grandfathered in to whatever, yes we've broken

02:33:21.200 --> 02:33:23.500
the rule, shame on us.

02:33:23.500 --> 02:33:27.100
But now moving forward, anybody that's hired follows this ordinance unless you guys change

02:33:27.100 --> 02:33:29.680
the ordinance because you know what's going to happen.

02:33:29.680 --> 02:33:33.840
You may think that we, you know, you won, that, you know, they're going to start following

02:33:33.840 --> 02:33:35.200
the rules, but they're not.

02:33:35.200 --> 02:33:37.579
But immediately they're going to go out there and they're going to start ticketing this

02:33:37.579 --> 02:33:41.639
summer for people growing their grass too high.

02:33:41.639 --> 02:33:42.639
Probably out of time, yeah?

02:33:42.639 --> 02:33:43.639
Is that what we're checking on?

02:33:43.639 --> 02:33:44.959
I know you want me to sit down.

02:33:44.959 --> 02:33:45.959
All right.

02:33:45.959 --> 02:33:46.959
I don't have the time.

02:33:46.959 --> 02:33:47.959
You guys, fix it.

02:33:47.959 --> 02:33:48.959
Use some common sense here.

02:33:48.959 --> 02:33:50.899
You know it's coming down the road.

02:33:50.899 --> 02:33:51.899
Fix it once and for all.

02:33:51.899 --> 02:33:52.899
All right?

02:33:52.899 --> 02:33:53.899
Thank you, Chief.

02:33:53.899 --> 02:34:01.719
Rhonda Scott, I got a little flustered when I spoke at first about the planning commission

02:34:01.719 --> 02:34:09.360
Wilkinson. I take this position seriously about making decisions for the community and

02:34:09.360 --> 02:34:15.340
the future of our community, and I think we can do better than somebody who has an arrest

02:34:15.340 --> 02:34:20.540
record for domestic violence for restricting the blood and airflow of another human being

02:34:20.540 --> 02:34:27.659
and a DUI on the same night on June 9th, 2024. This is not ancient history. This is something

02:34:27.659 --> 02:34:28.659
Huffines.

02:34:28.659 --> 02:34:35.420
I don't want a person like this making decisions on our future for Freeport and we can do better.

02:34:35.420 --> 02:34:39.739
My next concern, though, has to do with these EV chargers that we talked about recently

02:34:39.739 --> 02:34:45.700
and the comment was made that this is going to be something that's going to benefit the

02:34:45.700 --> 02:34:51.940
downtown because people driving from Chicago to Galena will stop here and shop downtown.

02:34:51.940 --> 02:34:56.739
When I mentioned that to my husband, he said, what store is somebody from Chicago going

02:34:56.739 --> 02:34:58.620
and a shop at downtown.

02:34:58.620 --> 02:35:02.540
And I counted, we have seven stores and two jewelry stores.

02:35:02.540 --> 02:35:04.700
They're almost always closed on Sunday.

02:35:04.700 --> 02:35:08.420
So we would be paying to have people,

02:35:08.420 --> 02:35:10.579
well, people from Chicago aren't even gonna come.

02:35:10.579 --> 02:35:13.459
And I have an electric vehicle, I charge it in my driveway.

02:35:13.459 --> 02:35:14.979
This is a huge waste of money.

02:35:14.979 --> 02:35:19.420
And we are spending $90,000 for an engineering study

02:35:19.420 --> 02:35:20.579
to look at this.

02:35:20.579 --> 02:35:23.899
When I can already tell you it's a waste of money.

02:35:23.899 --> 02:35:26.340
And so we have to ask ourselves,

02:35:26.340 --> 02:35:30.040
Why are we paying this fee of $90,000

02:35:30.040 --> 02:35:34.899
when we used to pay a city engineer $98,000

02:35:34.899 --> 02:35:36.540
for the entire year for the city

02:35:36.540 --> 02:35:38.819
to make engineering decisions?

02:35:38.819 --> 02:35:42.319
And this same engineer could have done this study

02:35:42.319 --> 02:35:44.920
and he could do a lot more and he did a lot more.

02:35:44.920 --> 02:35:49.799
I cannot understand why we got rid of this city engineer

02:35:49.799 --> 02:35:53.979
and went to a contractor who now has somebody

02:35:53.979 --> 02:35:54.979
Miller.

02:35:54.979 --> 02:36:01.219
We're sitting over here pretending to be our public works person and taking contracts for

02:36:01.219 --> 02:36:02.979
the business that he works for.

02:36:02.979 --> 02:36:06.780
It's a major conflict of interest and we need to do something about it.

02:36:06.780 --> 02:36:08.219
This has got to stop.

02:36:08.219 --> 02:36:16.520
Good evening.

02:36:16.520 --> 02:36:17.959
My name is Cheryl Altman.

02:36:17.959 --> 02:36:20.479
I want to touch on the ordinances.

02:36:20.479 --> 02:36:25.040
Rob Boyer, you were saying that you guys don't violate your own ordinances.

02:36:25.040 --> 02:36:28.639
Please check yourself at the door.

02:36:28.639 --> 02:36:29.639
Doe.

02:36:29.639 --> 02:36:34.819
You will fast track anybody in here whose property you think is no good, because you have Wayne

02:36:34.819 --> 02:36:39.840
Doe it, then he has his little flunkies Doe it, but you won't hold yourself accountable

02:36:39.840 --> 02:36:42.239
for your own property, like the Raleigh Building.

02:36:42.239 --> 02:36:44.760
I will bring that sucker up every time.

02:36:44.760 --> 02:36:51.440
Plus, when I had, a couple years ago, my one property, the house, it's a vacant house that

02:36:51.440 --> 02:36:56.000
you guys were doing work on in Chicago, it flooded my basement completely.

02:36:56.000 --> 02:37:01.879
I called and made a complaint with you and you accused me of going outside, turning the

02:37:01.879 --> 02:37:03.959
freaking water on at the curb.

02:37:03.959 --> 02:37:07.799
Now please tell me and then you say that you're not responsible?

02:37:07.799 --> 02:37:11.280
Give me a break because I know because my son was working and he was taking care of

02:37:11.280 --> 02:37:12.399
it.

02:37:12.399 --> 02:37:16.079
You know and the mayor's probably not here tonight because she was out eating Mexican

02:37:16.079 --> 02:37:19.840
food with the guy she just was trying to hire to replace Joshua.

02:37:19.840 --> 02:37:37.969
So maybe she got food poisoning.

02:37:37.969 --> 02:37:39.250
My name is Akia Sanders.

02:37:39.250 --> 02:37:43.690
I would spend my three minutes just completely laughing about this whole council almost except

02:37:43.690 --> 02:37:44.690
for a few.

02:37:44.690 --> 02:37:47.610
I mean, it goes all the way back to first grade or kindergarten.

02:37:47.610 --> 02:37:48.930
I mean, pay attention in class.

02:37:48.930 --> 02:37:52.290
You guys don't even take this thing seriously at all.

02:37:52.290 --> 02:37:57.290
I mean, nobody's watching, nobody's concerned except for the couple people that care.

02:37:57.290 --> 02:38:03.049
And I can point them out, James Monroe, Stacy, Larry, Sellers, I don't know how I feel to

02:38:03.049 --> 02:38:07.930
be somebody that, you know, we thought you was coming for us and I don't mean us as black

02:38:07.930 --> 02:38:14.889
I mean us as a community. I tried genuinely to come in here with an open mind and say okay maybe I'll you know

02:38:14.889 --> 02:38:20.370
inbox her, see what she do, inbox you, no response. I got about four or five people that did the same thing.

02:38:20.370 --> 02:38:27.489
I don't care about your magazines. You don't affect me. I'm not a public figure. I didn't go to sit in that seat.

02:38:27.569 --> 02:38:34.129
It's kind of a hot seat right now. The whole community think this is a laughing matter. The council is a laughing matter.

02:38:34.129 --> 02:38:41.049
Carter. Because nobody is actually owning up to anything, answering any questions. James

02:38:41.049 --> 02:38:47.850
check y'all every time he come up in here. Y'all act like y'all seen a ghost. Y'all can

02:38:47.850 --> 02:38:52.569
read. Then y'all tell Larry, read it. Then y'all say, do the homework. Now then, Rob,

02:38:52.569 --> 02:38:58.770
I hope since you put your Superman vest on and said you abide by all ordinances, no against

02:38:58.770 --> 02:39:03.450
the police or anything I hope you you know got some letters ready to suspend a

02:39:03.450 --> 02:39:07.129
few people because that's what you to do to me that's what you do to me

02:39:07.129 --> 02:39:12.250
everything I violate everything I do is always under a magnifying glass you

02:39:12.250 --> 02:39:18.850
offered me a job I respectfully declined this is a clown posse that I do not want

02:39:18.850 --> 02:39:25.809
to be a part of hopefully you get it together one day thank you is there

02:39:25.809 --> 02:39:26.649
and anyone else.

02:39:30.670 --> 02:39:43.579
Pagker first I'd like to remind you all that this is a free for now what did you

02:39:43.579 --> 02:39:49.020
say your name was a page Kerr page yeah first I'd like to remind you all that

02:39:49.020 --> 02:39:53.420
this is a free port City Council this is not a Lena City Council nor is it a

02:39:53.420 --> 02:39:58.020
Forreston City Council the City Council is created by the people for the people

02:39:58.020 --> 02:40:02.139
it's only asked it's only fair to ask that those in positions of power reside

02:40:02.139 --> 02:40:04.139
and

02:40:05.139 --> 02:40:07.139
John.

02:40:08.280 --> 02:40:10.280
I would like to challenge the council on their activism and

02:40:10.379 --> 02:40:12.379
marketing to include the youth and working class in getting

02:40:12.479 --> 02:40:14.479
involved with open positions. There is an importance in

02:40:14.579 --> 02:40:16.579
educating and setting up our citizens for success rather than

02:40:16.680 --> 02:40:22.680
robbing them of an opportunity. Also, I support bringing

02:40:22.780 --> 02:40:24.780
documentation to the council to show if our water is contaminated

02:40:24.879 --> 02:40:28.879
or not. The public should be regularly notified. As a citizen

02:40:28.979 --> 02:40:30.979
I received a letter from my electric, but never about the

02:40:30.979 --> 02:40:38.829
Lastly, I would like to take a stance on my disinterest in Jodi Miller's involvement with the Greater Freeport Partnership.

02:40:38.829 --> 02:40:41.829
It's a scam on the lives of the citizens.

02:40:41.829 --> 02:40:46.829
The involvement directly brings the power of political contributions and public grants together.

02:40:46.829 --> 02:40:50.829
There's a power circle within the board and the Greater Freeport Partnership.

02:40:50.829 --> 02:40:53.829
It encourages biased opinions and rewards those involved.

02:40:53.829 --> 02:40:56.829
We see it on display often here.

02:40:56.829 --> 02:41:03.829
To add to that, the events hosted by the Greater Freeport Partnership directly pulls money back from the taxpayers into that same power circle.

02:41:03.829 --> 02:41:05.829
It's a double whammy on the citizens.

02:41:05.829 --> 02:41:09.829
There should be no relationship between the city mayor and this organization.

02:41:09.829 --> 02:41:13.829
It's a clear conflict of interest, and I would imagine fraud as well.

02:41:13.829 --> 02:41:17.829
As a citizen, I ask for you to follow the money.

02:41:17.829 --> 02:41:19.829
I ask for you to hold them accountable.

02:41:19.829 --> 02:41:22.829
I ask for you to honor this city's history.

02:41:22.829 --> 02:41:27.510
and I ask you to remember that this city council was created by the people for the people.

02:41:27.510 --> 02:41:35.409
Thank you. My name is Micaiah Stacy.

02:41:35.409 --> 02:41:40.250
Speaking of saying things incorrectly, I do want to apologize.

02:41:40.250 --> 02:41:43.610
I spoke to the chief and I would be a hypocrite if I don't say I didn't

02:41:43.610 --> 02:41:44.969
understand why he didn't live in the city.

02:41:44.969 --> 02:41:48.610
He gave me his reasoning. It's not my business to put out there.

02:41:48.610 --> 02:41:51.770
About the ordinances, when we are raised

02:41:51.770 --> 02:41:56.010
and I was raised in church, I was told that Jesus loves me

02:41:56.010 --> 02:42:00.329
and that the truth is very important because lies will send you to hell. Not that exactly.

02:42:01.209 --> 02:42:06.649
But every time I walk in this building and I watch on my phone so I don't get off work until seven,

02:42:08.090 --> 02:42:12.569
it's constant lies or yeah this ordinance exists and I'm going to read it out.

02:42:14.010 --> 02:42:17.690
Alderman Stacey reads out an ordinance and it's well we didn't do this right.

02:42:19.209 --> 02:42:24.090
What the hell are we doing? What are we up here for? Are we going to do our jobs correctly or

02:42:24.090 --> 02:42:25.989
or we're gonna do our jobs for our friends.

02:42:27.450 --> 02:42:30.350
Like Ms. Page just said, you are here for the city.

02:42:30.350 --> 02:42:32.409
I don't care what party you're voting for,

02:42:32.409 --> 02:42:34.489
where you live, if you're not voting

02:42:34.489 --> 02:42:37.129
for the interest of this city, then get out.

02:42:37.129 --> 02:42:38.629
If you don't wanna be in this seat,

02:42:38.629 --> 02:42:41.110
if you don't wanna hear me talk, get out.

02:42:41.110 --> 02:42:44.049
If you don't wanna listen to this city, get out.

02:42:44.049 --> 02:42:46.209
I don't know how many times we have to say it.

02:42:47.290 --> 02:42:48.969
This is a very respectful position.

02:42:48.969 --> 02:42:51.290
I'm gonna need you guys to have some respect for yourselves.

02:42:51.290 --> 02:42:55.899
Thank you.

02:42:55.899 --> 02:43:15.329
is there anyone else? James Monroe, Santa Fe Drive. I've been in this council room for four years now

02:43:15.329 --> 02:43:20.450
and I've uncovered things are very, very disheartening for the city of Freeport.

02:43:21.250 --> 02:43:28.610
The corruption behind the scenes is unreal. Clown newspaper article writers like Dan Stevens sitting

02:43:28.610 --> 02:43:35.809
Over here, literally basically project lies upon members of the community, members of

02:43:35.809 --> 02:43:42.889
this council, they spread half-truths, and they attack people, all for political gain,

02:43:42.889 --> 02:43:45.409
for certain political gain.

02:43:45.409 --> 02:43:53.250
I've uncovered in the last six months close to $2.5 million a year in property tax decreases

02:43:53.250 --> 02:43:56.969
that were given out to certain members of this community.

02:43:56.969 --> 02:44:04.909
2.5 million. All of our property taxes are going up. Theirs is going down. There's a

02:44:04.909 --> 02:44:11.930
building downtown that pays less property tax than some of the homeowners in my ward.

02:44:11.930 --> 02:44:17.069
You're stepping in defending the lady that sits up there and it's disappointing because

02:44:17.069 --> 02:44:22.370
you represent yourself as a godly woman and I will tell you that that person sitting up

02:44:22.370 --> 02:44:23.370
Fowler.

02:44:23.370 --> 02:44:32.770
I have contacted everybody and anybody who will listen and take action.

02:44:32.770 --> 02:44:36.409
There will be people held accountable in this room.

02:44:36.409 --> 02:44:38.170
I will not stop fighting.

02:44:38.170 --> 02:44:39.930
I will not give in.

02:44:39.930 --> 02:44:44.950
I have uncovered where the money's been going, how the GFP plays in, and these people are

02:44:44.950 --> 02:44:46.170
starting to help out.

02:44:46.170 --> 02:44:47.170
They're diving in.

02:44:47.170 --> 02:44:50.290
The people of the City of Freeport are waking up.

02:44:50.290 --> 02:44:56.129
You can't burn a house down or tear a house down based on the fact you don't like somebody.

02:44:56.129 --> 02:44:58.209
That's not how this community works.

02:44:58.209 --> 02:45:00.670
That's not what we're about.

02:45:00.670 --> 02:45:04.049
I may not like the choices that Kia makes in life.

02:45:04.049 --> 02:45:06.010
I don't care.

02:45:06.010 --> 02:45:11.729
But what I care about is when somebody's done wrong and this man in the suit up front decides

02:45:11.729 --> 02:45:18.750
to sit there and enforce only the ordinances that he feels need to be enforced.

02:45:18.750 --> 02:45:27.350
in violation of his oath of office, in violation of his contract, and we will deal with that.

02:45:27.350 --> 02:45:33.829
And I have one choice, and one choice only, and that is now to ask that the legal system

02:45:33.829 --> 02:45:40.090
gets involved and claw back the pay of everybody who doesn't live within the legal guidelines

02:45:40.090 --> 02:45:42.430
of the ordinance.

02:45:42.430 --> 02:45:46.610
Not something that's going to be fun, not something that's going to be cheap, but we

02:45:46.610 --> 02:45:51.629
We are going to get to the bottom of all of the issues in this community and we're going

02:45:51.629 --> 02:45:58.069
to start with the people in this room and unfortunately for some of you, the people

02:45:58.069 --> 02:46:03.290
that are supporting me, they have a lot more money and a lot more power than I do.

02:46:03.290 --> 02:46:21.360
So enjoy your time in office because it won't last much longer.

02:46:21.360 --> 02:46:30.170
Cecelia, Stacy, you know, I have put off doing something

02:46:32.370 --> 02:46:37.329
that I know I was charged to do

02:46:37.329 --> 02:46:46.399
because what is people gonna think?

02:46:46.399 --> 02:46:50.600
What is my fellow older people gonna say?

02:46:52.120 --> 02:46:57.120
And so I go home knowing that I was charged

02:46:58.280 --> 02:47:03.819
to do something that I didn't do.

02:47:03.819 --> 02:47:08.680
So tonight, I'm gonna do it.

02:47:08.680 --> 02:47:13.729
Just like we open up every meeting and prayer,

02:47:13.729 --> 02:47:17.250
it's not where you start, it's where you end.

02:47:18.729 --> 02:47:21.469
Father God, in the name of Jesus,

02:47:22.649 --> 02:47:25.489
I come to you tonight, Lord Jesus,

02:47:25.489 --> 02:47:28.149
asking for your guidance, oh God.

02:47:29.129 --> 02:47:34.010
Father God, you know what this city was created to be.

02:47:34.010 --> 02:47:38.190
You know what this city needs to be, oh God.

02:47:39.250 --> 02:47:44.250
It was not called free port for no reason at all.

02:47:45.430 --> 02:47:48.229
So Lord Jesus, I pray and I ask you

02:47:48.229 --> 02:47:51.350
to take control of this your city

02:47:52.649 --> 02:47:56.829
and help us become what we are supposed to be,

02:47:57.930 --> 02:48:00.709
that of a free city.

02:48:01.850 --> 02:48:03.770
In Jesus' name I pray.

02:48:04.010 --> 02:48:43.639
Is there anyone else? We've been requested for two executive sessions tonight pursuant to 5 ILCS 122 C1, the appointment, employment, compensation, discipline, performance, or dismissal of specific employees, including hearing testimony on a complaint lodged against an employee to determine its validity.

02:48:43.639 --> 02:48:45.639
and

02:48:46.719 --> 02:48:48.719
the

02:48:49.840 --> 02:48:51.940
public office as defined in this act including a vacancy in a

02:48:51.940 --> 02:48:55.940
public office when the public body is given power to appoint

02:48:55.940 --> 02:48:57.940
under law or ordinance or the discipline, performance or

02:48:57.940 --> 02:48:59.940
removal of the occupant of a public office when the public

02:48:59.940 --> 02:49:01.940
body is given power to remove the occupant under law or

02:49:01.940 --> 02:49:03.940
ordinance.

02:49:06.440 --> 02:49:08.440
Is there a motion to go into executive session?

02:49:08.440 --> 02:49:10.440
So moved.

02:49:13.549 --> 02:49:15.549
I ask that we vote on them separately.

02:49:15.750 --> 02:49:28.020
Two separate motions, executive session for

02:49:28.020 --> 02:49:31.000
I have a motion to go into executive session for just the first item under 2C1.

02:49:31.000 --> 02:49:38.629
Do I need to read it again or just refer to the exemption one personnel exemption?

02:49:38.629 --> 02:49:39.629
Yes.

02:49:39.629 --> 02:49:40.629
Okay.

02:49:40.629 --> 02:49:43.629
What about Klemm's motion?

02:49:43.629 --> 02:49:49.420
Right, so is there a second then to go into executive session for 2C1?

02:49:49.420 --> 02:49:51.420
Is there a chance for that to number one?

02:49:51.420 --> 02:49:52.420
Yep.

02:49:52.420 --> 02:49:55.420
So we need a second to go in for personnel.

02:49:55.420 --> 02:50:01.129
So this is the one.

02:50:01.129 --> 02:50:02.129
Second.

02:50:02.129 --> 02:50:03.129
This is the city, thank you.

02:50:03.129 --> 02:50:09.649
This is the topic that would be the city manager review.

02:50:09.649 --> 02:50:11.149
So do you take the roll call?

02:50:11.149 --> 02:50:11.649
Yes.

02:50:11.649 --> 02:50:13.149
Well, hold it.

02:50:13.149 --> 02:50:17.649
What was that last comment you just made?

02:50:17.649 --> 02:50:24.649
So we'd be going into executive session for personnel reasons to give an update on city manager review.

02:50:24.649 --> 02:50:27.149
That's the topic.

02:50:27.149 --> 02:50:31.149
And then we will be coming back out for item 23?

02:50:31.149 --> 02:50:32.649
Well, no, we're going to...

02:50:32.649 --> 02:50:33.649
It's executive.

02:50:33.649 --> 02:50:39.569
after this motion then there'd be another if there's another motion because you wanted to take them

02:50:39.569 --> 02:50:45.649
separately about whether or not to go in for uh under um the appointment to fill a public office

02:50:46.850 --> 02:50:52.129
correct and if that passes then we would have that conversation while we were in there if it doesn't

02:50:52.129 --> 02:50:56.450
then we won't have that conversation while we're in there to talk about the city manager part

02:50:57.569 --> 02:51:00.209
so we're not coming in and out of the room is what i guess my point

02:51:00.209 --> 02:51:30.209
So are you saying we can just serve 23 out here? No. We'd have to see if there's a motion made to go in. If we have a motion to go in, then we would go in, and then we would do 23 afterwards, but if there's not a motion to go in, then we wouldn't. Then we would just go to 23. We'd go in to do 2C1 first, and then we'd come back out and do 23. Then we have to go back in? No.

02:51:30.209 --> 02:51:35.329
no so so right now we're just talking about 2C1 and there was a motion and a

02:51:35.329 --> 02:51:44.520
second to go in for the city manager review update. Shadle? No. Sanders? Aye.

02:51:44.520 --> 02:51:58.280
Sellers? No. Klemm? No. Monroe? Aye. Parker? No. And Stacy? Aye. One, two, three, four, the motion

02:51:58.280 --> 02:52:05.370
Fails, three to four. So we're not going to go into executive session then to

02:52:05.370 --> 02:52:12.649
discuss 2C1. So now then there would need to be a motion to go into executive

02:52:12.649 --> 02:52:21.409
session under 2C3, which is to discuss the appointment to fill a vacancy, which

02:52:21.409 --> 02:52:28.250
is related to item number 23 on the agenda about the appointment to the

02:52:28.250 --> 02:52:30.690
ruber has two

02:52:30.889 --> 02:52:32.389
terms or under section two.

02:52:32.389 --> 02:52:37.469
I have a second.

02:52:37.469 --> 02:52:42.229
I am a clerk in the planning

02:52:42.229 --> 02:52:43.229
commission.

02:52:43.229 --> 02:52:44.770
So is there a motion?

02:52:44.770 --> 02:52:46.870
Is that what you're looking for?

02:52:46.870 --> 02:52:47.870
Yes.

02:52:47.870 --> 02:52:48.870
Make a motion.

02:52:48.870 --> 02:52:49.870
Maybe second.

02:52:49.870 --> 02:52:57.309
So he just made a motion to go into executive session for 2C3.

02:52:57.309 --> 02:52:59.309
And if we don't go into executive concession, it will be discussed here.

02:52:59.309 --> 02:53:00.309
You got it.

02:53:00.309 --> 02:53:06.000
So is there a second to go in the executive session?

02:53:06.000 --> 02:53:10.120
and that motion dies for a lack of a second so we're not going into executive session

02:53:10.120 --> 02:53:15.889
at all.

02:53:15.889 --> 02:53:24.719
Go to the last item on the agenda, second to last, sorry.

02:53:24.719 --> 02:53:32.319
Motion to rescind advice and consent of council to the appointment of Dustin Wilkinson to

02:53:32.319 --> 02:53:41.319
Planning Commission presented by Stacy and Monroe.

02:53:41.319 --> 02:53:48.209
You know, I hate the wording on this.

02:53:48.209 --> 02:54:03.639
I guess we have to be Robert's rule compliance but to rescind advice and consent of council

02:54:03.639 --> 02:54:18.920
I feel that it should say that we're rescinding the mayor's choice for various reasons and

02:54:18.920 --> 02:54:28.000
I am asking for the rescinding of the position that Dustin Wilkinson on the Planning Committee

02:54:28.000 --> 02:54:50.030
Commission be removed, voided, revoked, rescinded.

02:54:50.030 --> 02:54:56.329
That's a motion to rescind the appointment, or I'm sorry, a motion to rescind the advice

02:54:56.329 --> 02:55:38.139
Hittman, Andså No淨, and they were in the ball. And then Dadey and the news that we're going to talk about. So that was the application of a policy, which The scope of the application was to be an appointment of the Council on the appointment of dust and Wilkinson to the Planning Commission. So that's most of this been made by all the mistakes, that we need a second. I'll second it. So voting to remove him. putting to rescind their advising consent. Remember appoint and once we get to discussion, I'll go through the legal components

02:55:38.139 --> 02:55:44.500
from the commission, the planning commission.

02:55:44.500 --> 02:55:49.420
So they basically you want to, you want the council to, you guys gave a blessing originally.

02:55:49.420 --> 02:55:51.260
Okay, I'm going to use that term, Lucy.

02:55:51.260 --> 02:55:52.260
You gave your advice and consent.

02:55:52.260 --> 02:55:53.899
Because we didn't know what we were giving to.

02:55:53.899 --> 02:55:54.899
That's fine.

02:55:54.899 --> 02:55:57.299
So you're looking to rescind that advice and consent.

02:55:57.299 --> 02:55:58.299
Yes.

02:55:58.299 --> 02:56:00.819
So that's what they're asking for, clerk.

02:56:00.819 --> 02:56:04.579
But that does not revoke the mayor's appointment, correct?

02:56:04.579 --> 02:56:05.579
Correct.

02:56:05.579 --> 02:56:06.579
The appointment is still.

02:56:06.579 --> 02:56:15.030
as you understand that. So he's still in this position. He would not have, if this

02:56:15.030 --> 02:56:20.450
rescission goes through, he wouldn't have the advice and consent of the council at

02:56:20.450 --> 02:56:24.370
that point there. So the appointment's made, then there are rules that would

02:56:24.370 --> 02:56:27.370
follow then what happens when an appointment's made but it doesn't

02:56:27.370 --> 02:56:36.459
receive the advice and consent of the council. But James, you gave a second,

02:56:36.459 --> 02:56:53.799
right yeah okay so we're in discussion and can I thank thank you all right so I

02:56:53.799 --> 02:56:57.840
just want to give some procedural background here okay so that everyone

02:56:57.840 --> 02:57:03.799
understands what's before you guys all right number one appointments are made

02:57:03.799 --> 02:57:07.559
by the mayor okay I don't care what the appointment like the appointment is like

02:57:07.559 --> 02:57:10.860
to what if it's the Planning Commission, Zoning Commission, Liquor Commission those

02:57:10.860 --> 02:57:15.120
appointments belong to the mayor the appointment does all that means is that

02:57:15.120 --> 02:57:17.899
The mayor gets to pick the name, okay?

02:57:17.899 --> 02:57:20.719
The mayor gets to put forth a name, okay?

02:57:20.719 --> 02:57:24.520
The council then has the right and the authority

02:57:24.520 --> 02:57:26.760
to give their advice and consent, okay?

02:57:26.760 --> 02:57:29.159
That's what the council has the right to do.

02:57:29.159 --> 02:57:30.840
The mayor puts forward the name,

02:57:30.840 --> 02:57:33.600
council gets to then say, we approve of the name

02:57:33.600 --> 02:57:36.319
or we don't approve of the name, okay?

02:57:36.319 --> 02:57:39.139
So in the case of Mr. Wilkinson,

02:57:39.139 --> 02:57:40.819
the mayor put forth his name,

02:57:40.819 --> 02:57:45.299
the Council then gave their advice and consent, okay?

02:57:45.299 --> 02:57:48.340
That happened at a previous meeting, okay?

02:57:49.260 --> 02:57:51.200
What Alderman Stacy now has brought,

02:57:51.200 --> 02:57:55.059
just like with any decision that's approved by the Council,

02:57:55.059 --> 02:57:59.180
you guys can rescind that advice and consent

02:57:59.180 --> 02:58:03.260
that you guys previously gave, okay, there.

02:58:03.260 --> 02:58:07.180
And so that's what's been put on the agenda

02:58:07.180 --> 02:58:09.319
and that's what's before you guys is this motion

02:58:09.319 --> 02:58:12.120
to rescind the council's advice and consent.

02:58:12.120 --> 02:58:14.520
Meaning you guys are rescinding your blessing

02:58:14.520 --> 02:58:16.399
of his appointment, okay?

02:58:16.399 --> 02:58:19.079
The consent that you guys previously gave, okay?

02:58:20.559 --> 02:58:24.079
So, hang on one second, just a little bit more.

02:58:24.079 --> 02:58:27.120
So, as you guys may recall then

02:58:27.120 --> 02:58:28.639
from when Nancy Sylvester came

02:58:28.639 --> 02:58:31.840
and gave the Robert's Rules discussion,

02:58:31.840 --> 02:58:33.780
I'm just bringing this out for you guys

02:58:33.780 --> 02:58:35.379
so that you guys take it into consideration

02:58:35.379 --> 02:58:37.440
just so you have a full understanding

02:58:37.440 --> 02:58:41.479
of all the rules that might be in play.

02:58:41.479 --> 02:58:44.079
Well, yes, there is such a thing as a motion to rescind.

02:58:44.079 --> 02:58:45.879
There are times when a motion to rescind

02:58:45.879 --> 02:58:48.239
can't be done or has no practical effect

02:58:48.239 --> 02:58:50.479
or shouldn't have any practical effect.

02:58:50.479 --> 02:58:53.319
And the example that Nancy Sylvester gives

02:58:53.319 --> 02:58:57.760
is you can't rescind something if it's already then taken place.

02:58:57.760 --> 02:58:59.799
And I'll give you a quick example.

02:58:59.799 --> 02:59:02.399
Let's say there was a motion to approve an ice

02:59:02.399 --> 02:59:05.319
cream social on Monday.

02:59:05.319 --> 02:59:10.239
Council votes and it says we approve the ice cream social on Monday. Monday comes

02:59:10.239 --> 02:59:15.579
along the ice cream social happens. On Wednesday, the following Wednesday, the

02:59:15.579 --> 02:59:19.299
council can't say motion to rescind the ice cream social we don't think we

02:59:19.299 --> 02:59:23.479
should do the ice cream social. Well it's already happened so you can't rescind

02:59:23.479 --> 02:59:27.680
something that's already happened or

02:59:27.680 --> 02:59:30.819
that's already happened or has already started to move in process okay so the

02:59:30.819 --> 02:59:37.879
deviation in that scenario is motion to approve the ice cream social and hire the

02:59:37.879 --> 02:59:45.959
ice cream company to make all the ice cream okay for Monday ice cream company

02:59:45.959 --> 02:59:51.319
starts making all the ice cream and reliance of that that that approval later

02:59:51.319 --> 02:59:54.559
Bader, Motion to Resend, we don't want to do the ice cream social anymore.

02:59:54.559 --> 02:59:58.559
Well that creates a problem if you try to rescind it now because that ice cream company reasonably

02:59:58.559 --> 03:00:03.840
relied on the fact that you previously approved the ice cream social and them making all the

03:00:03.840 --> 03:00:04.840
ice cream.

03:00:04.840 --> 03:00:09.319
So that's another scenario where rescission arguably is not appropriate because someone,

03:00:09.319 --> 03:00:14.079
the ice cream company already started down the path based off of the first approval.

03:00:14.079 --> 03:00:15.079
Okay?

03:00:15.079 --> 03:00:18.120
So having you guys keep all that in mind.

03:00:18.120 --> 03:00:23.479
In this particular case, you have Mr. Wilkinson, who's already been seated, attended a Planning

03:00:23.479 --> 03:00:27.559
Commission meeting, voted on items.

03:00:27.559 --> 03:00:29.559
So it complicates things.

03:00:29.559 --> 03:00:34.379
So I'm letting you guys know that so that you guys have this information that arguably

03:00:34.379 --> 03:00:38.000
a motion to rescind right now might not be appropriate there.

03:00:38.000 --> 03:00:45.360
Again, vote as you will on it.

03:00:45.360 --> 03:00:46.559
So that's the background.

03:00:46.559 --> 03:00:47.559
Settlers.

03:00:47.559 --> 03:00:51.870
It's kind of the lay of the land on this.

03:00:51.870 --> 03:00:55.870
Oh, go ahead.

03:00:55.870 --> 03:01:07.309
Question Zito, you said the robber rules gives her the authority or the consideration to

03:01:07.309 --> 03:01:14.709
appoint someone on a committee or something like that, is that, how is it that she is

03:01:14.709 --> 03:01:26.190
is able to appoint anyone to anything before council could give consent consulting or whatever

03:01:26.190 --> 03:01:27.989
the case is.

03:01:27.989 --> 03:01:29.229
Explain that part too.

03:01:29.229 --> 03:01:30.229
Sure.

03:01:30.229 --> 03:01:31.229
Yeah.

03:01:31.229 --> 03:01:36.389
So that's per state statute and that's also per our city ordinances that provides that

03:01:36.389 --> 03:01:43.030
specifically planning commission is appointed the person to fill the positions on the planning

03:01:43.030 --> 03:01:46.909
Commission are appointed by the mayor with the advice and consent of the City

03:01:46.909 --> 03:01:50.909
Council. That's what our city ordinance says and that also mirrors what state

03:01:50.909 --> 03:02:03.600
statute says. Okay, so what about this appointment should have ended October

03:02:03.600 --> 03:02:28.819
31st, 2024, but it continued November, December, January, February, March, April, six months, he attended meetings, he cast the vote, Joy, yes, Attorney.

03:02:28.819 --> 03:02:36.100
So, upon the expiration of a term, so our ordinance says that appointments can be to

03:02:36.100 --> 03:02:40.739
fill only the unexpired term, right, and so we had this conversation earlier about the

03:02:40.739 --> 03:02:46.420
fact that arguably the, trying to do the automatic appointment for the successor four-year terms

03:02:46.420 --> 03:02:50.100
was probably out of order, was probably improper there, okay.

03:02:50.100 --> 03:02:53.620
So what happens when an appointment doesn't happen?

03:02:53.620 --> 03:02:59.120
and I. And I say come October 31st, the term ended. And you're supposed to do a reappointment

03:02:59.120 --> 03:03:03.979
at that time. If that doesn't happen for various reasons, and it happens more than

03:03:03.979 --> 03:03:10.659
you think in many communities, that person that sits in that spot at that time is what's

03:03:10.659 --> 03:03:16.659
called a holdover. So they hold over until such time as a replacement, a new appointment

03:03:16.659 --> 03:03:22.200
is made. So it's fine that Mr. Atkinson sat there and continued to go to meetings.

03:03:22.200 --> 03:03:49.500
was a holdover and then at such time as the mayor makes a new appointment and the City Council approves that with advice and consent then that new person takes over so this is a holdover situation but we did not know we had no ideal that a person of his nature would be presented to the

03:03:49.500 --> 03:04:01.819
and the Council as someone fitting for this committee.

03:04:01.819 --> 03:04:06.200
And I can't speak to that part as far as like, I can tell you guys what the law is, whether

03:04:06.200 --> 03:04:11.239
or not, you know, a person's qualifications or anything, I can't speak to that.

03:04:11.239 --> 03:04:15.479
That's for you guys as a council to decide whether or not to give your advice and consent

03:04:15.479 --> 03:04:16.479
to somebody.

03:04:16.479 --> 03:04:22.840
Well, several times I've wanted to speak and have tried speaking with Nancy, the lady you

03:04:22.840 --> 03:04:28.399
We spoke about. So if you have her information, can you give that to me? Because no one else

03:04:28.399 --> 03:04:37.840
seems to be able to. We still have a motion and a second to take a vote.

03:04:37.840 --> 03:04:42.799
Right. So this would be a motion. The motion that's before you guys, just so everyone's

03:04:42.799 --> 03:04:47.959
clear is to rescind the advice and consent that was previously given to Mr. Wilkinson

03:04:47.959 --> 03:04:54.559
who's there. So if you vote yes, you want to rescind the advice and consent. If you

03:04:54.559 --> 03:05:05.110
We won't know, you don't want to rescind your prior decision.

03:05:05.110 --> 03:05:08.969
On what grounds?

03:05:08.969 --> 03:05:15.129
Yeah, I'm serious, because you think he's not qualified.

03:05:15.129 --> 03:05:25.610
Do you think I would be qualified for the Planning Commission if I had a severe DUI

03:05:25.610 --> 03:05:35.040
and if I choked someone out to the airflow and their blood stopped, but I can come on

03:05:35.040 --> 03:05:45.059
a city council committee and make decisions for this city and that's what's not even a

03:05:45.059 --> 03:05:49.940
year old, it's about six, seven months old.

03:05:49.940 --> 03:05:56.520
And the record is as long as my arm it goes deeper, I'm not trying to go there.

03:05:56.520 --> 03:06:02.659
So please don't make me, I'm not trying to put his history out there, it's all public

03:06:02.659 --> 03:06:07.600
information, look it up.

03:06:07.600 --> 03:06:17.319
I just can't believe someone of his nature was even brought to the council to even consider.

03:06:17.319 --> 03:06:21.239
And this is what I talk about when we're blindsided.

03:06:21.239 --> 03:06:24.200
And I ask the question, why him?

03:06:24.200 --> 03:06:28.959
Oh, well, he's lived here 38 years.

03:06:28.959 --> 03:06:31.879
He's a part of this community.

03:06:31.879 --> 03:06:35.020
He wants this and he wants that.

03:06:35.020 --> 03:06:39.940
But he has a felon.

03:06:39.940 --> 03:06:48.819
You can choke someone until their airflow stops and their blood, and that's okay.

03:06:48.819 --> 03:06:53.739
And that's the type of person we want on our committees.

03:06:53.739 --> 03:06:54.739
Help me understand.

03:06:54.739 --> 03:07:05.879
I just call for the vote.

03:07:05.879 --> 03:07:06.879
Shadle?

03:07:06.879 --> 03:07:07.879
No.

03:07:07.879 --> 03:07:08.879
Sanders?

03:07:08.879 --> 03:07:09.879
Yes.

03:07:09.879 --> 03:07:10.879
Sellers?

03:07:10.879 --> 03:07:11.879
No.

03:07:11.879 --> 03:07:12.879
Klemm?

03:07:12.879 --> 03:07:13.879
No.

03:07:13.879 --> 03:07:14.879
Monroe?

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I can't even speak right now. Come on. Monroe? Yes. Simmons? No. Parker? No. And Stacy? Yes. I can't believe this. There you have it. The motion fails. Oh wait, wait, wait. You see. You see. You see. Motion to adjourn. Second. See what we got for the next four years. All in favor? No matter how hard we try.

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You see